Down Fall of Ummah

[imran169]

o my cute lovely innocent indian i think you missed some parts of my post about his dream of Pakistan google it or read any book you will find he is the one who first ever dreamed about Pakistan...!



[/QUOTE]Priya uncle ji, from what I Googled, Iqbal ji passed away in 1938. Where was Pakistan in 1938?

Knowing his love for Hindustan, I am glad he never lived to see it ripped apart. He lived and die a proud Indian. A Hindustani.[/QUOTE]

 

[doppelganger]

also you made a comment on first page - mind telling us which principle we need to let go off?

Sir I did not dish out any unwanted advice to you guys. Just here to share my opinions.

 

[Truth Finder]

Javed Akhtar: Muslims have a myth called 'Umma', a pan-Islamic brotherhood. It doesn't exist and it never existed.

 

[Amaa'n]

Sir for every one Sir every one to read and do their part to make sure Ummah rises again it would be not easy but Sir when come into Islam and accept it than we are ready to sacrifice everything because its all worth it because main purpose of every Muslim is to hear RASOOL SAW say on the day of judgement that he is proud of us

have you been watching ASWJ's rally on TV? did you see his followers/ members? what do you suggest we do with them, how can we do it when their Ameer saab has his pawns clinching into their flesh ..... if we want them to use their brain they have to detach themselve from those madrasas....

 

[imran169]

ok thanx for your precious comment...i think this is not your problem and you cant understand it..there is always be a ummah,so stay out from this thread if you know nothing..1

Javed Akhtar: Muslims have a myth called 'Umma', a pan-Islamic brotherhood. It doesn't exist and it never existed.

 

[Amaa'n]

Sir I did not dish out any unwanted advice to you guys. Just here to share my opinions.

yes I know you were here to share you opinion but you left your opinion incomplete, thats why I asked if you could elaborate more.....
While studying MBA, they taught us one thing - it is only a problem if you have a solution ..... If there is no solution ; there is no problem

 

[pak-marine]

there is no such thing as pakistan, just punjab, sindh , balochistan, Fata, kp, and kashmir.
what logic, you saying something doesnt exist doesnt mean it actually doesn't exist, the ummah is an idea, of a united muslim brotherhood, so how you going to say it doesnt exist? for the ummah exist all you need is 2 muslims to be united and be brothers in islam thats all.

If religion was a unifying factor than there wont be political parties representing different groups for eg:

PML Punjab
PPP Sind
Baloch has their own
MQM for urdu speaker
and so on

There would be one or max two main stream parties the election results defines the division ,you are also right in saying that there is only sindh punjab baluchistan and KPK. If religion was a unifying factor than Pakistanis would be split on sectarian lines for eg : sufi barelvis ,shias wahabis , deobandis and 68 others .. so some thing like this will further split the nation. In my opinion the better idea will be to change Pakistan into a republic and separate religion from the nation and state affairs this will help working towards the betterment of people residing in Pakistan.


It wont

 

[Truth Finder]

ok thanx for your precious comment...i think this is not your problem and you cant understand it..there is always be a ummah,so stay out from this thread if you know nothing..1

Iraq-Iran war and B'desh liberation war proved it all before.

 

[imran169]

man you know nothing about it,what is war??? conflict b/w two countries,this is general view..when we come to base,then if there is conflict b/w two muslims,then can we say they are not ummati of RASOOLULLAH S.A.W??? i earlier said it has nothing to do with you and you cant understand it,and why are you eager to prove that there is no ummah blah blah blah?? stay out of it,you dont know it,

Iraq-Iran war and B'desh liberation war proved it all before.

 

[doppelganger]

yes I know you were here to share you opinion but you left your opinion incomplete, thats why I asked if you could elaborate more.....
While studying MBA, they taught us one thing - it is only a problem if you have a solution ..... If there is no solution ; there is no problem

Are you referring to my post about Muslims always fighting amongst themselves, especially in Pakistan?

Well, only since you asked, let me volunteer a suggestion.

If you (Pakistanis) think of yourselves as Pakistanis first, above all else, as your primary identity in this world, forget all the past and how and why you separated from India etc etc, just start on a fresh slate, then you will stop killing each other.

You will become stronger. You will have peace. You will move towards prosperity. You already have a pretty strong military. Now you will have a country to match.

And the biggest plus for me personally - you will probably learn to leave me (us) in peace.

 

[imran169]

oh man..thats the problem with us,our religion want to unite us under one God,one Prophet P.B.U.H n one book QURAN..but what are we doing..we divide

If religion was a unifying factor than there wont be political parties representing different us into different groups,islam doest allow us to divide us into groups then what it means?? fault lies within us or in islam?? definitely within us.if a person doesnt say prayer then its his problem.we cant say that there is no thing such as prayer bcz we cant do it,try to understand it..

h man..thats the problem with us,our religion want to unite us under one God,one Prophet P.B.U.H n one book QURAN..but what are we doing..we divide

If religion was a unifying factor than there wont be political parties representing different us into different groups,islam doest allow us to divide us into groups then what it means?? fault lies within us or in islam?? definitely within us.if a person doesnt say prayer then its his problem.we cant say that there is no thing such as prayer bcz we cant do it,try to understand it..

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/social-issues-current-events/274703-down-fall-ummah-4.html#ixzz2dRzjVap5

If religion was a unifying factor than there wont be political parties representing different groups for eg:

PML Punjab
PPP Sind
Baloch has their own
MQM for urdu speaker
and so on

There would be one or max two main stream parties the election results defines the division ,you are also right in saying that there is only sindh punjab baluchistan and KPK. If religion was a unifying factor than Pakistanis would be split on sectarian lines for eg : sufi barelvis ,shias wahabis , deobandis and 68 others .. so some thing like this will further split the nation. In my opinion the better idea will be to change Pakistan into a republic and separate religion from the nation and state affairs this will help working towards the betterment of people residing in Pakistan.


It wont

 

[Slav Defence]

There were many causes of downfall of Muslims in Past and still today we facing downfall,due to following reasons:

-We are not united.
-Each Muslim country or 'stable' muslim country such as Iran,Saudi Arab and some middle eastern countries are interested to establish their own hegemony,or the hegemony of their versions of Islam, ie shia Islam,sunni Islam,salafi Islam etc.
-Opponent countries of Europe are well aware of our mentality,thus all they do is taking benefit of such situation,they put hands on the back of country A and make it fight with country B,thus country A succeed to destroy country B,while US enjoys universal benefit at situation,ie damage and loss of both country
-Muslims are not only divided on the basis of religion but also on the basis of pride of Arab or non-arab,this is the root cause dut to which the 'will' of having hegemony was born.

@Aeronaut,your analysis will bevery much appreciated,do you agree with above hypothesis.

Best Regards.

 

[imran169]

my cute lovely innocent indian i think you missed some parts of my post about his dream of Pakistan google it or read any book you will find he is the one who first ever dreamed about Pakistan...!

Priya uncle ji, from what I Googled, Iqbal ji passed away in 1938. Where was Pakistan in 1938?

Knowing his love for Hindustan, I am glad he never lived to see it ripped apart. He lived and died a proud Indian. A Hindustani.

 

[hussain0216]

Ummah is a concept that all muslims follow God and are united and identified by their muslim identity

So regardless of the fact that we are Turk, Pakistani, Egyptian, Nigerian, Black White etc

we are Muslim, remember their is only One Islam, it is people who give themselves different titles and groups


Ummah will always exist aslong as muslims however disunited feel even a morsel of brotherhood towards fellow muslims


There is no difference from beinfg kashmiri, balochi, punjabi, sindhi but being Pakistani then there is being turkish, pakistani, indian, egyptian but being part of the Ummah


This is why nationalism is haram in islam, so muslims dont give loyalty to artifical states more then God & his Ummah and why racism is haram so people dont give loalty to a race or a culture above God & his will

 

[imran169]

GREAT ANALYSIS..THANKS MAN..!YES..THERE IS ALWAYS BE A UMMAH UNDER ONE GOD,ONE PROHPET P.B.U.H N ONE BOOK QURAN..!

Ummah is a concept that all muslims follow God and are united and identified by their muslim identity

So regardless of the fact that we are Turk, Pakistani, Egyptian, Nigerian, Black White etc

we are Muslim, remember their is only One Islam, it is people who give themselves different titles and groups


Ummah will always exist aslong as muslims however disunited feel even a morsel of brotherhood towards fellow muslims


There is no difference from beinfg kashmiri, balochi, punjabi, sindhi but being Pakistani then there is being turkish, pakistani, indian, egyptian but being part of the Ummah


This is why nationalism is haram in islam, so muslims dont give loyalty to artifical states more then God & his Ummah and why racism is haram so people dont give loalty to a race or a culture above God & his will