Doom for Indian and Australia from a resurgent China in the Biden era

[Khan vilatey]

As the American policy under Biden will change to reconciliation towards China, fueling a quick economic recovery in America and Europe. The will force the US to move their back offices jobs away from India and into the heartland of America to compensate for the build / factory job losses in the US. Most of the low end build capacity has moved to either Mexico or Canada due to usmca agreement.

this will have ramifications for India and Australia both in terms of security and economy

Let’s look at security:

1) America will move away from antagonizing China in India and its positions in South China Sea. This would mean india will be given outdated inconsequential weapons but would not be supported militarily effecting India’s preparations for a two front war. On the flip side India’s arch rival Pakistan will enjoy a significant uplift in its capabilities with Chinese MBT’s, drones, artillery, surveillance, naval ship and submarine stealth aircraft and long range layered air defence. This may lead China and Pakistan to start a limited war with India resulting in significant loss of territory to India in Kashmir mostly near DBO, kargil, Ladakh, aksichin and chicken neck.

in Australia’s case the investment the trump administration was making in creating a Japanese cum Australian naval force to counter the Chinese threat will significantly reduce. Without American investment in this area the Australian naval build up for force projection will not be viable

without this force china's dominance in south china sea would be absolute resulting in smaller south asian nations like Indonesia, vietnam and Thailand to swing back into china's camp

on the economic front a powefull china fueling western economic recovery will ensure that measures taken by bejing to decimate the Australian economy go mostly unchecked forcing Canberra to capitulate allowing a favorable Chinese government to be installed. in a few months I predict the economy will degrade and will see a number of editorials and articles highlighting the racist aspects of the Australian nationalistic policy forcing public opinion to shift because of the poor economy in favor of the Chinese

India’s economy will take most of the brunt of a resurgent China, they will lose out on their most well know export English speaking call centers and Back office capacity to American and European companies. The Chinese goverment will provide trade incentives to push manufacturing back to to their established manufacturing heartland. With no counter pressure in terms of US or European tariffs and the push from American and European business to have the continued ability to sell in the biggest middle class market China. we would see a quick flight of capital from India. Forcing even further recessions in India. This will force the Modi government to further tighten their position and possibly go to war with China and Pakistan to distract their populous.

I look forward to hearing your point of view

k
It seems india is in for crunch

 

[tower9]

I think this is an overly optimistic prediction for US-China ties.

I think Biden will back away from the toxic and bull headed approach that Trump took towards China but he will continue efforts to contain China, but also engage it in areas that make sense for the US. He will probably try to tamper down tensions publicly but privately will continue to exert pressure in key areas like the SCS.

I do agree that Modi miscalculated and it will cost him and India some loss. Australia has also overstepped itself by being too passionately in league with Trump and Pompeo and shooting themselves in the foot by constantly antagonizing their best customer, always a very stupid thing to do. But I don't think this means there will be a war or that they will suffer some catastrophic loss. I think the US will still reinforce the quad privately but just temper the language under the Biden administration.

I do think Biden will be more successful in gaining synergy and cooperation with the EU in forming some containment measures against China. Although the EU will find it in their interest to maintain a relatively balanced approach as well.

Ultimately I think Biden's first priority will be the American economic recovery and healing the domestic political divide in his first two years.

 

[Capt. Karnage]

As the American policy under Biden will change to reconciliation towards China, fueling a quick economic recovery in America and Europe. The will force the US to move their back offices jobs away from India and into the heartland of America to compensate for the build / factory job losses in the US. Most of the low end build capacity has moved to either Mexico or Canada due to usmca agreement.

this will have ramifications for India and Australia both in terms of security and economy

Let’s look at security:

1) America will move away from antagonizing China in India and its positions in South China Sea. This would mean india will be given outdated inconsequential weapons but would not be supported militarily effecting India’s preparations for a two front war. On the flip side India’s arch rival Pakistan will enjoy a significant uplift in its capabilities with Chinese MBT’s, drones, artillery, surveillance, naval ship and submarine stealth aircraft and long range layered air defence. This may lead China and Pakistan to start a limited war with India resulting in significant loss of territory to India in Kashmir mostly near DBO, kargil, Ladakh, aksichin and chicken neck.

in Australia’s case the investment the trump administration was making in creating a Japanese cum Australian naval force to counter the Chinese threat will significantly reduce. Without American investment in this area the Australian naval build up for force projection will not be viable

without this force china's dominance in south china sea would be absolute resulting in smaller south asian nations like Indonesia, vietnam and Thailand to swing back into china's camp

on the economic front a powefull china fueling western economic recovery will ensure that measures taken by bejing to decimate the Australian economy go mostly unchecked forcing Canberra to capitulate allowing a favorable Chinese government to be installed. in a few months I predict the economy will degrade and will see a number of editorials and articles highlighting the racist aspects of the Australian nationalistic policy forcing public opinion to shift because of the poor economy in favor of the Chinese

India’s economy will take most of the brunt of a resurgent China, they will lose out on their most well know export English speaking call centers and Back office capacity to American and European companies. The Chinese goverment will provide trade incentives to push manufacturing back to to their established manufacturing heartland. With no counter pressure in terms of US or European tariffs and the push from American and European business to have the continued ability to sell in the biggest middle class market China. we would see a quick flight of capital from India. Forcing even further recessions in India. This will force the Modi government to further tighten their position and possibly go to war with China and Pakistan to distract their populous.

I look forward to hearing your point of view

k
It seems india is in for crunch

Did you write this yourself?

 

[52051]

I think this is an overly optimistic prediction for US-China ties.

I think Biden will back away from the toxic and bull headed approach that Trump took towards China but he will continue efforts to contain China, but also engage it in areas that make sense for the US. He will probably try to tamper down tensions publicly but privately will continue to exert pressure in key areas like the SCS.

I do agree that Modi miscalculated and it will cost him and India some loss. Australia has also overstepped itself by being too passionately in league with Trump and Pompeo and shooting themselves in the foot by constantly antagonizing their best customer, always a very stupid thing to do. But I don't think this means there will be a war or that they will suffer some catastrophic loss. I think the US will still reinforce the quad privately but just temper the language under the Biden administration.

I do think Biden will be more successful in gaining synergy and cooperation with the EU in forming some containment measures against China. Although the EU will find it in their interest to maintain a relatively balanced approach as well.

Ultimately I think Biden's first priority will be the American economic recovery and healing the domestic political divide in his first two years.

You have thought too much....

I think Biden has enough problem at hand and he is sane enough to not stir even more trouble.

If his sole achievement is that he could finally manage to put COVID-19 under control in the US during his term, he scores a A+ to me.

 

[8888888888888]

Biden will have the EU support for China, still he isn't as stupid as Trump. I really suspect Taiwan paid Trump off, becuase he is corrupt.

 

[Khan vilatey]

Did you write this yourself?

Yup

You have thought too much....

I think Biden has enough problem at hand and he is sane enough to not stir even more trouble.

If his sole achievement is that he could finally manage to put COVID-19 under control in the US during his term, he scores a A+ to me.

Which is why a trade war with China will not continue. This means the us will draw back and focus on making deals that are not favorable to the US and will give ground militarily and economically

k

 

[Capt. Karnage]

Yup

I thought so. Your article is total garbage based on whims and fantasies. One has to be a total idiot to come up with such load of crap.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

I think this is an overly optimistic prediction for US-China ties.

I think Biden will back away from the toxic and bull headed approach that Trump took towards China but he will continue efforts to contain China, but also engage it in areas that make sense for the US. He will probably try to tamper down tensions publicly but privately will continue to exert pressure in key areas like the SCS.

I do agree that Modi miscalculated and it will cost him and India some loss. Australia has also overstepped itself by being too passionately in league with Trump and Pompeo and shooting themselves in the foot by constantly antagonizing their best customer, always a very stupid thing to do. But I don't think this means there will be a war or that they will suffer some catastrophic loss. I think the US will still reinforce the quad privately but just temper the language under the Biden administration.

I do think Biden will be more successful in gaining synergy and cooperation with the EU in forming some containment measures against China. Although the EU will find it in their interest to maintain a relatively balanced approach as well.

Ultimately I think Biden's first priority will be the American economic recovery and healing the domestic political divide in his first two years.

Last time, recovery was aided by Chinese demand for both products and treasuries at little cost. This time there will be no such help coming. They will find that their wounds are going to heal much slower and less completely this time.

In 2009 there were still a voice for right wing liberals in China that thought that peaceful integration was possible. They have been thoroughly discredited, now the only argument is between left wing militant socialists and right wing nationalists. Both of them are hardline on India and Australia.

 

[Sharma Ji]

As the American policy under Biden will change to reconciliation towards China, fueling a quick economic recovery in America and Europe. The will force the US to move their back offices jobs away from India and into the heartland of America to compensate for the build / factory job losses in the US. Most of the low end build capacity has moved to either Mexico or Canada due to usmca agreement.

this will have ramifications for India and Australia both in terms of security and economy

Let’s look at security:

1) America will move away from antagonizing China in India and its positions in South China Sea. This would mean india will be given outdated inconsequential weapons but would not be supported militarily effecting India’s preparations for a two front war. On the flip side India’s arch rival Pakistan will enjoy a significant uplift in its capabilities with Chinese MBT’s, drones, artillery, surveillance, naval ship and submarine stealth aircraft and long range layered air defence. This may lead China and Pakistan to start a limited war with India resulting in significant loss of territory to India in Kashmir mostly near DBO, kargil, Ladakh, aksichin and chicken neck.

in Australia’s case the investment the trump administration was making in creating a Japanese cum Australian naval force to counter the Chinese threat will significantly reduce. Without American investment in this area the Australian naval build up for force projection will not be viable

without this force china's dominance in south china sea would be absolute resulting in smaller south asian nations like Indonesia, vietnam and Thailand to swing back into china's camp

on the economic front a powefull china fueling western economic recovery will ensure that measures taken by bejing to decimate the Australian economy go mostly unchecked forcing Canberra to capitulate allowing a favorable Chinese government to be installed. in a few months I predict the economy will degrade and will see a number of editorials and articles highlighting the racist aspects of the Australian nationalistic policy forcing public opinion to shift because of the poor economy in favor of the Chinese

India’s economy will take most of the brunt of a resurgent China, they will lose out on their most well know export English speaking call centers and Back office capacity to American and European companies. The Chinese goverment will provide trade incentives to push manufacturing back to to their established manufacturing heartland. With no counter pressure in terms of US or European tariffs and the push from American and European business to have the continued ability to sell in the biggest middle class market China. we would see a quick flight of capital from India. Forcing even further recessions in India. This will force the Modi government to further tighten their position and possibly go to war with China and Pakistan to distract their populous.

I look forward to hearing your point of view

k
It seems india is in for crunch

A Biden administration will be more hawkish and aggressive than Trump, watch..

 

[Markandeya]

As the American policy under Biden will change to reconciliation towards China, fueling a quick economic recovery in America and Europe. The will force the US to move their back offices jobs away from India and into the heartland of America to compensate for the build / factory job losses in the US. Most of the low end build capacity has moved to either Mexico or Canada due to usmca agreement.

this will have ramifications for India and Australia both in terms of security and economy

Let’s look at security:

1) America will move away from antagonizing China in India and its positions in South China Sea. This would mean india will be given outdated inconsequential weapons but would not be supported militarily effecting India’s preparations for a two front war. On the flip side India’s arch rival Pakistan will enjoy a significant uplift in its capabilities with Chinese MBT’s, drones, artillery, surveillance, naval ship and submarine stealth aircraft and long range layered air defence. This may lead China and Pakistan to start a limited war with India resulting in significant loss of territory to India in Kashmir mostly near DBO, kargil, Ladakh, aksichin and chicken neck.

in Australia’s case the investment the trump administration was making in creating a Japanese cum Australian naval force to counter the Chinese threat will significantly reduce. Without American investment in this area the Australian naval build up for force projection will not be viable

without this force china's dominance in south china sea would be absolute resulting in smaller south asian nations like Indonesia, vietnam and Thailand to swing back into china's camp

on the economic front a powefull china fueling western economic recovery will ensure that measures taken by bejing to decimate the Australian economy go mostly unchecked forcing Canberra to capitulate allowing a favorable Chinese government to be installed. in a few months I predict the economy will degrade and will see a number of editorials and articles highlighting the racist aspects of the Australian nationalistic policy forcing public opinion to shift because of the poor economy in favor of the Chinese

India’s economy will take most of the brunt of a resurgent China, they will lose out on their most well know export English speaking call centers and Back office capacity to American and European companies. The Chinese goverment will provide trade incentives to push manufacturing back to to their established manufacturing heartland. With no counter pressure in terms of US or European tariffs and the push from American and European business to have the continued ability to sell in the biggest middle class market China. we would see a quick flight of capital from India. Forcing even further recessions in India. This will force the Modi government to further tighten their position and possibly go to war with China and Pakistan to distract their populous.

I look forward to hearing your point of view

k
It seems india is in for crunch

As someone who was instrumental in getting finance jobs outsourced to India, let me teach you basics. Costing/ pricing is the only criteria. India, with huge english speaking/ finance literate population, is not something that they can replace. Replacing will result in drastic reduction in their cost competitiveness. They get better qualified guys for the same job at 1/20 th the price. The more USA gets into stress, the more Covid-19 situations , it will reduce its cost more and more and thus more jobs to India . It suits India.


Now Modi has, in the guise of the current silly border skirmish, cut the umbilical chord which Congress I had created vis z vis China. Manufacturing in India would boom in next 5 years. Chinese cheap imports had killed Indian manufacturers earlier Nd now AGAIN India will produce for India....in the first phase and for the World gradually. You guys will learn what happened to you after 10 years when China, like East India Company, will totally kill your manufacturing.

You will not know the poison you have embraced. Cheeni ( Sugar) is slow poison.

 

[tower9]

Last time, recovery was aided by Chinese demand for both products and treasuries at little cost. This time there will be no such help coming. They will find that their wounds are going to heal much slower and less completely this time.

In 2009 there were still a voice for right wing liberals in China that thought that peaceful integration was possible. They have been thoroughly discredited, now the only argument is between left wing militant socialists and right wing nationalists. Both of them are hardline on India and Australia.

That’s one of the factors of how Trump has severely damaged the US in ways we will not understand until many years from now. One of infinite ways.

 

[LLawliet]

As the American policy under Biden will change to reconciliation towards China, fueling a quick economic recovery in America and Europe. The will force the US to move their back offices jobs away from India and into the heartland of America to compensate for the build / factory job losses in the US. Most of the low end build capacity has moved to either Mexico or Canada due to usmca agreement.

this will have ramifications for India and Australia both in terms of security and economy

Let’s look at security:

1) America will move away from antagonizing China in India and its positions in South China Sea. This would mean india will be given outdated inconsequential weapons but would not be supported militarily effecting India’s preparations for a two front war. On the flip side India’s arch rival Pakistan will enjoy a significant uplift in its capabilities with Chinese MBT’s, drones, artillery, surveillance, naval ship and submarine stealth aircraft and long range layered air defence. This may lead China and Pakistan to start a limited war with India resulting in significant loss of territory to India in Kashmir mostly near DBO, kargil, Ladakh, aksichin and chicken neck.

in Australia’s case the investment the trump administration was making in creating a Japanese cum Australian naval force to counter the Chinese threat will significantly reduce. Without American investment in this area the Australian naval build up for force projection will not be viable

without this force china's dominance in south china sea would be absolute resulting in smaller south asian nations like Indonesia, vietnam and Thailand to swing back into china's camp

on the economic front a powefull china fueling western economic recovery will ensure that measures taken by bejing to decimate the Australian economy go mostly unchecked forcing Canberra to capitulate allowing a favorable Chinese government to be installed. in a few months I predict the economy will degrade and will see a number of editorials and articles highlighting the racist aspects of the Australian nationalistic policy forcing public opinion to shift because of the poor economy in favor of the Chinese

India’s economy will take most of the brunt of a resurgent China, they will lose out on their most well know export English speaking call centers and Back office capacity to American and European companies. The Chinese goverment will provide trade incentives to push manufacturing back to to their established manufacturing heartland. With no counter pressure in terms of US or European tariffs and the push from American and European business to have the continued ability to sell in the biggest middle class market China. we would see a quick flight of capital from India. Forcing even further recessions in India. This will force the Modi government to further tighten their position and possibly go to war with China and Pakistan to distract their populous.

I look forward to hearing your point of view

k
It seems india is in for crunch

Yes, India and Australia are very very scared of PRC.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Yes, India and Australia are very very scared of PRC.

Fear helps animals avoid dangerous situations. India is like the deer in the headlights. That is why it didn't run in 1962 and stayed for the slaughter.

Manufacturing in India would boom in next 5 years. Chinese cheap imports had killed Indian manufacturers earlier Nd now AGAIN India will produce for India....in the first phase and for the World gradually. You guys will learn what happened to you after 10 years when China, like East India Company, will totally kill your manufacturing.

How can India manufacture for the world if it can't even manufacture for itself? There are no semiconductor fabs, display fabs, electronics production, aerospace production, machine tool production, fine chemical production, etc. in India. Even for infamous Indian IT and pharma, your computers are imported from China, your phones are imported from China, your APIs are imported from China, even your pens are imported from China.

 

[LLawliet]

Fear helps animals avoid dangerous situations. India is like the deer in the headlights. That is why it didn't run in 1962 and stayed for the slaughter.

That is called bravery and not abandoning your right to serve and protect the country when an enemy is trying to invade his/her motherland. Chinese won't understand bravery, if they did they won't have such a bad opinion in the world right now!!

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

That is called bravery and not abandoning your right to serve and protect the country when an enemy is trying to invade his/her motherland. Chinese won't understand bravery, if they did they won't have such a bad opinion in the world right now!!

How dare you speak of bravery when India's history is a history of cowering, first behind Mother Britain then behind Mother Russia and now behind Uncle Sam?