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Don’t Sweat Russia’s Newest Nuclear Submarine - 'Severodvinsk' is too expensive for mass production

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Don’t Sweat Russia’s Newest Nuclear Submarine
'Severodvinsk' is too expensive for mass production
Published: June 21, 2014

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K-560 ‘Severodvinsk.’ Photo via Asian Defense
It’s official. K-560 Severodvinsk, Moscow’s newest and most advanced nuclear attack submarine, has joined the Russian navy.
That’s bad news for most countries that could conceivably face Russia in a conflict. The expensive, quiet, 13,800-ton Yasen-class submarine is arguably one of the most sophisticated in the world—and she’s just the first of her class.

But the one country that doesn’t have much reason to worry is the United States, which has a significantly larger and more modern submarine force.

The Yasen class is also an exception to the rule in Russia, where most warships are obsolete or severely compromised by poor maintenance and training.

Russia took its time on the Yasen program. The project dates to the Cold War, as the Soviet Union planned a submarine that could hunt U.S. Nimitz-class supercarriers and also escort the USSR’s larger, nuclear weapon-carrying submarines within range of American cities.

This necessitated a submarine that was faster, quieter and deadlier than existing Akula and Sierra-class attack subs.


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Then-president Dmitry Medvedev next to Severodvinsk in 2010. Photo via Wikipedia
Russia begun building Severodvinsk way back in 1993. The post-Soviet economic collapse forced the Kremlin to delay the program. But despite being years late, she’s still one of the most advanced submarines in the world.
She’s nuclear powered, for one. She has a more powerful sonar system, including a big sonar array mounted in the bow. The vessel also packs an impressive arsenal of torpedoes and 24 anti-ship cruise missiles of the Oniks and Kalibr types.

But while Severodvinsk is individually dangerous, a single submarine—or only a few—isn’t enough to defeat the U.S. Navy. The entire Yasen class is also expensive. It’s unclear exactly how much each one costs. Estimates range from $1 billion to $3 billion.

Back in the 1990s, the Russians wanted to build 30 of the class. The number has fluctuated since then and now the goal is nine, including Severodvinsk. Two of the class, Kazan and Novosibirsk, are currently under construction. That’s still enough to pose a serious threat to most countries Russia could conceivably come into conflict with.

But then you see the problem. This means Russia is spending more money than it needs to, to defeat potential foes other than America—and not enough to stand up against the U.S. Navy.


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Yeah but you've got 10 Virgina class active + another 5 under construction! ;)

But there are sacrifices on the Virginia, like less weapons. If they had kept the Seawolf design but implemented the tech used on Virginia, it would be a very very formidable submarine than it already is. But its all about money.
 
But there are sacrifices on the Virginia, like less weapons. If they had kept the Seawolf design but implemented the tech used on Virginia, it would be a very very formidable submarine than it already is. But its all about money.
Sir, I beg to differ. I don't think it was about the money. I think politics messed it up. Just look at the A-10 being forced NOT to retire, but at the same time no funds for it's maintenance. How much sense does that make?
 
Even nine of these submarines will pose a deadly threat to US CBGs.
 
Sir, I beg to differ. I don't think it was about the money. I think politics messed it up. Just look at the A-10 being forced NOT to retire, but at the same time no funds for it's maintenance. How much sense does that make?

Politics and money can go hand in hand. Why the cancellation of the Crusader artillery? Or the ending of the F22 production? Or limiting only 3 Zumwalts destroyers? There are many programs especially social programs that many politicians want to divert to and see weapons programs as wasteful. There is no such thing as unlimited monies. Have to realize that.

Even nine of these submarines will pose a deadly threat to US CBGs.

If the Russians can build 9 of them depending on funding.
 
That is the plan - assuming 2 billion each submarine then Russia can afford it.

18 billions seems less from the perspective of only 9 submarines, but keeping in mind they have other active programs running too, and not to forget maintaining their huge reserves of defense equipment.
 
18 billions seems less from the perspective of only 9 submarines, but keeping in mind they have other active programs running too, and not to forget maintaining their huge reserves of defense equipment.

Well UK has plans for 7 Astute class submarines and it has 60 billion budget - it is smaller submarine though but unlikely to be that much cheaper than Russian subs anyway

Russia plans 9 submarines from 90 billion budget -rough calculation I know but it seems that the Russian budget can afford it.
 
Well UK has plans for 7 Astute class submarines and it has 60 billion budget - it is smaller submarine though but unlikely to be that much cheaper than Russian subs anyway

Russia plans 9 submarines from 90 billion budget -rough calculation I know but it seems that the Russian budget can afford it.

Plans and materialization differs. Estimates are drawn based on present requirements and economy, and then reality slaps hard.
 
Plans and materialization differs. Estimates are drawn based on present requirements and economy, and then reality slaps hard.

For the UK Astute class:

2 are already in service
1 has been launched and in sea trials
3 are in construction.

Only the 7th and last one may not be built if the funding is not available.

It could even go the other way with Russia - if its economy grows 3-4% as expected over the next decade then we may see more than 9 SSNs being built.
 
For the UK Astute class:

2 are already in service
1 has been launched and in sea trials
3 are in construction.

Only the 7th and last one may not be built if the funding is not available.

It could even go the other way with Russia - if its economy grows 3-4% as expected over the next decade then we may see more than 9 SSNs being built.

What about air and ground assets compared to both nations? Russia has a vast reserve of both to support.
 
What about air and ground assets compared to both nations? Russia has a vast reserve of both to support.

It depends on Russian priorities really.

I would think that SSNs would be right up there on the list. Since Russia has no chance to take on the US Navy using surface ships and carriers, then its SSN force gives it the best hope to deter the US Navy from trying to, for example attempting to carry out a blockade against it.
 

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