Don't Push India To Build Anti-China Alliance: OSD Official

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

It's no secret that Pakistanis got their missiles from China and even their nuclear bomb... I would say, let's help vietnam go nuclear..

Believe me, a loose cannon like vietnam is much more in India's interest than a friendship with China.. As much as i hate it, India and China friendship is a non starter..

Couple of corrections, Vietnam is no loose cannon and their interest in India is not so outward or overt.

 

[Contrarian]

China is foolish. They should make peace and settle the border issue with India and yet continue to arm Pakistan. That way ensures that India never acts overtly against China or joins an anti-China alliacnce, yet India remains trapped in the subcontinent because of Pakistan.

That would have been a smart strategy. They have infact chosen a hardening stance, which makes the one country in Asia that can and will challenge China as the undisputed power of Asia, antagonized.

 

[MilSpec]

China is foolish. They should make peace and settle the border issue with India and yet continue to arm Pakistan. That way ensures that India never acts overtly against China or joins an anti-China alliacnce, yet India remains trapped in the subcontinent because of Pakistan.

That would have been a smart strategy. They have infact chosen a hardening stance, which makes the one country in Asia that can and will challenge China as the undisputed power of Asia, antagonized.

On contrary, china's move is brilliant. They continue to engage India through their proxy state pakistan just enough to ensure Indian build up is always towards Pakistan. India continues to be busy against pakistan through deployments, counter asymmetric warfare, and COIN, and chinese borders are quit, china wont need heavy deployments and would be free to act in other parts of the neighborhood. If all issues with pakistan are solved and there is no more military build up, China will have to deal with huge military force at their borders, which is not desirable for them. Propping up Pakistan is chum change for china, and the advantage they have is heavy hatred of pakistanis towards India ensure they don't realize how china is manipulating them.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

On contrary, china's move is brilliant. They continue to engage India through their proxy state pakistan just enough to ensure Indian build up is always towards Pakistan. If India continues to be busy against pakistan through deployments, asymmetric warfare, and COIN. If all issues with pakistan are solved and there is no more military build up, China will have to deal with huge military force at their borders, which is not desirable for them. Propping up Pakistan is chum change for china, and the advantage they have is heavy hatred of pakistanis towards India ensure they don't realize how china is manipulating them.

This strategy even costed Pakistan heavily in 1971

In the 1960s, Chinese paranoid over India training Tibetan refugees supported Naga and Mizo insurgents by using East Pakistan as base, which Pakistanis complied to. Even though from Pakistani side there was no reason to do.

In response India supported separatists in East Pakistan and rest is History.



However recent terms have not been entirely good either with problems in Xinjiang being traced back to Pakistan.

 

[MilSpec]

This strategy even costed Pakistan heavily in 1971

In the 1960s, Chinese paranoid over India training Tibetan refugees supported Naga and Mizo insurgents by using East Pakistan as base, which Pakistanis complied to. Even though from Pakistani side there was no reason to do.

However recent terms have not been entirely good either with problems in Xinjiang being traced back to Pakistan.

Chinese support is not directly to islamic terrorists, but to the government or should I say to the Military of Pakistan. Chinese provide just enough of the heavy stuff to ensure India cannot overrun the pakistanis, hence they provide Missiles, aircrafts, ships, nuke tech, etc just enough to ensure India is constantly engaged.
Pakistan inspired by proxies of afghan war, devised out another brilliant strategy, of developing their own proxies in kashmir, but as we can see, it has heavily backfired. Now the same proxies they developed are spilling into their own country and pouring outwards throughout the world including China. It wont make a hell of difference to to china, but pakistan on the other hand is is now stuck with a evil genie, that grants a wish and then explodes himself.

 

[Nair saab]

Did you know that the country you live in (America) gives billions of dollars every year in military aid to Pakistan?

And we don't?

Isn't it strange how you guys never seem to have a problem with that?

Look Bro CD... it has always been good talking to u than to certain Chinese troll here...

the Disputes between both countries urs & mine are minor... but what China did to engage India is arming Pakistan , it was very smart from ur part but this has brought mistrust about u guys in our mind...

arming Pakistan is alone dangerous ... But what u did was worser ... u guy armed them with Nuke ... that is now not just a threat to India but entire Asia ...looking at the volatile nature of Pakistan today there are high chances that these can get into hands of Fundamentalist ...

that mean threat to China also ... imagine if Talibanis get these stuff in there hand they can use it on China as well on small issues like Uighur Muslims issue... Talibs dont need a ally they just wanna end this world... they can use it against any 1... India, Pakistan, or perhaps China itself... forget about USA they r sitting in a safe place ... so problem would have to be now faced by both of our nations ...

By Arming Pakistan with Nukes China has went too far just accept it... i am sure other issues with India & China can be solved with in no time if we have the will ... but this issue is not gonna end so quickly...

 

[ice bomb]

Look Bro CD... it has always been good talking to u than to certain Chinese troll here...

the Disputes between both countries urs & mine are minor... but what China did to engage India is arming Pakistan , it was very smart from ur part but this has brought mistrust about u guys in our mind...

arming Pakistan is alone dangerous ... But what u did was worser ... u guy armed them with Nuke ... that is now not just a threat to India but entire Asia ...looking at the volatile nature of Pakistan today there are high chances that these can get into hands of Fundamentalist ...

that mean threat to China also ... imagine if Talibanis get these stuff in there hand they can use it on China as well on small issues like Uighur Muslims issue... Talibs dont need a ally they just wanna end this world... they can use it against any 1... India, Pakistan, or perhaps China itself... forget about USA they r sitting in a safe place ... so problem would have to be now faced by both of our nations ...

By Arming Pakistan with Nukes China has went too far just accept it... i am sure other issues with India & China can be solved with in no time if we have the will ... but this issue is not gonna end so quickly...

Would China have provided nukes to Pakistan if India didnt acquire it first?

 

[Nair saab]

Would China have provided nukes to Pakistan if India didnt acquire it first?

Would India have made Nukes if China didnt acquired it first ???

both India r China r stable Nation... But after providing Nukes to Pakistan, China wont be counted as a responsible nation while India is a responsible nation... & Pakistan is neither stable nor responsible...

 

[MilSpec]

Would China have provided nukes to Pakistan if India didnt acquire it first?

And India wouldn't have China din't

 

[prototype]

War is not only about weapons alone. War is about strategy, its about deception, surprise and overwhelming your enemy, its about knowing your enemy as you know yourself.

Yes a rag tag army has defeated a superior power many times in history.

Korean War- Retreat From Hell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoOEMRKgi8Y

And what the hell u claim about doing to US or any other superior power.

South Korea still exist with more than 4 lakh Chinese soldiers dead and more than 20000 POW.

 

[Nan Yang]

1. Aksai Chin is part of the wider Kashmir problem. So the solution offered is simply not possible, because, it alters the status quo.

Well China already have AC and India already have AP/S Tibet. That IS the current status quo.

2. The one border dispute the chinese can solve without any issue is with India. Recognise AP as part of India and problem solved. As for wisdom, your last misadventure in the 80s had made you more wise. We have all the time in the world, till the demographics favour us.

Time is certainly not on India side. Each year India lags further behind China. Did you see all those new weapons system at the Zhuhai airshow ? Does it not make you faint ?

Demographics ? How will demographics help ? Please enlighten me.

 

[Nan Yang]

Really - you take one incident or band of some small incidents and claim some great tactical warriors and superiority over the US? Korean war, was it not supposed to be the great uniting of the two Korea's by the Chinese? How did that work out for you?


You did not win any war back then because we did not go all out . You were fighting a flawed US political strategy back home of a limited war and one that was pushing for a divided Korea as it's goal vs General MacArthur's " military vision" of annihilating the Chinese military.



your history books are well know for it's revisionist lessons.. I'll leave it at that.

Arguing with you is like playing soccer with a shifting goal post. Just as well you got banned. Hope you will use this vacation to reflect on your flawed thinking.

 

[Nan Yang]

And what the hell u claim about doing to US or any other superior power.

South Korea still exist with more than 4 lakh Chinese soldiers dead and more than 20000 POW.

US and UN forces had complete air and sea dominance with no restriction on its use. China had just inherited a bankcrupt and destroyed country and was a poor 3rd world country with obsolete weapons. Yet managed to cause the longest military retreat in the history of the United States. Yes China suffered a lot cauaties. This just show how determined Chinese people are.... even in the face of a nuclear threat. Unlike some people that just abandon their weapons and ran.

 

[Nan Yang]

And India wouldn't have China din't

China never threaten India with nuclear weapons. China policy is no first use and No use against NON-Nuclear weapons state (That was India back then). China nuclear weapons was solely to prevent nuclear blackmail by the United States which had threaten China with the bomb more then a few times. It was never intended to target India.

 

[JSCh]

China friendship with Pakistan is between the two soverign state.
India should understand that China Pakistan friendship is not for sale.
India problem with Pakistan should be settle by both sides themselves.
Here you have it, one of the biggest country and the biggest weapon importer in the world sound as though she is afraid of her smaller neighbor.
Playing victim in these case make you look ridiculous because anyone that frequent this forum would have know that Pakistan is the defensive side of the equation.