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A look at the challenges the JF-17 is facing on the global fighter market

04 January 2016

By Bilal Khan

Nearly 12 years after its maiden flight, the JF-17 was able to secure its first export order during the Paris Air Show in June 2015. At the time the customer was not disclosed, but at this point it is all but an open secret that the buyer was Myanmar (IHS Jane’s 360). Moving forward, Pakistan is reportedly aiming to close a sale of up to 10 JF-17s to the Sri Lankan Air Force as well as pursue possible leads in the form of Nigeria, Egypt and Morocco.

There has been some recent momentum, but it is a far cry from the expectations the fighter carried in its early development years, especially in the hopes that it could play a big part in replacing hundreds of ageing MiG-21/F-7, Mirage III/5 and F-5 Tiger IIs serving in the developing world. The fact that China, the co-development partner, did not order any JF-17s did not help with building positive perception either. With the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) as the sole user at this time, one might feel tempted to conclude that the JF-17 program did not live up to its expectations, or that it is too flawed to succeed.

Granted, the JF-17 is no paragon of fighter design nor a trendsetter for high-performance benchmarks, but it was never meant to be in the first place. Right from the onset the JF-17 was envisioned as a relatively low-cost replacement for the increasingly obsolete legacy platforms in service by the hundreds in the PAF, not to mention the many other air forces in Asia and Africa with similar or direr financial capacities. If there was a standard to broadly assess the JF-17, it ought to be on the basis of whether it actually delivers current-day air warfare benefits to an air force.

In Pakistan, the JF-17 has thus far replaced the PAF’s entire fleet of Nanchang A-5s as well as a number of its many Chengdu F-7Ps. For the most part, these platforms were limited to using the AIM-9 Sidewinder within visual-range air-to-air missile (WVRAAM) and general purpose bombs (GPB).

The JF-17 on the other hand has been greenlit to use the SD-10 active radar-guided beyond visual range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM), LT-2 laser-guided bombs (LGB) as well as LS-3/LS-6 satellite-aided precision-guided bombs (PGB), MAR-1 anti-radiation missile (ARM), H-2/H-4 stand-off weapon (SOW), as well as C-802 and CM-400AKG anti-ship missiles (AShM). For a more thorough understanding of the JF-17, be sure to read Quwa’s prior articles on the fighter.

The difference in munitions alone demonstrates how much of a leap the JF-17 is in comparison to the hundreds of legacy platforms still in service around the world. However, if this is apparent, then it begs the question, “Why is the JF-17 having difficulty in garnering sales?”

The answer can be traced to two issues: First, the apparent bifurcation of the combat aircraft market, i.e. the pull towards two extremes between aircraft that are expensive high-performance fighters such as the Rafale on one end of the spectrum, and very low-cost light attack aircraft such as the A-29 Super Tucano on the other end. Second, the reality that arms acquisitions are not purely commercial transactions.

A number of air forces that in an earlier age would have made for prospective JF-17 buyers may today be inclined towards light close air support (CAS) aircraft such as the A-29 Super Tucano or the in-development Textron AirLand Scorpion. The rationale (in those specific countries) would stem from the idea that there are no aerial or state-level threats warranting a full-fledged fighter; A-29-like aircraft would be sufficient for defending one’s territorial integrity from low-capacity threats (such as smugglers or war lords).

On the other end of the spectrum are air forces content with acquiring comparatively small numbers of expensive high-performance fighters such as the Dassault Rafale or Eurofighter Typhoon. For a country upholding key security interests necessitating a fighter fleet, an air force may emphasize a smaller number of potent force-multipliers ahead of a larger number of less capable platforms. In the end, it may seem more efficient and worthwhile for certain countries to acquire two squadrons of Typhoons over four or five JF-17 squadrons.

In effect, the JF-17 has to compete in an increasingly compressed space in the middle, which in turn is increasingly saturated with very similar platforms: FA-50, Tejas, second-hand Gripens and surplus early-model F-16s. However, there is also the angle of international relations. For example, countries aspiring to join NATO (such as those in the Balkans) will probably look to surplus F-16s for replacing their MiGs, not just out of concern for cost, but the fact that it is a mature platform of choice within the organization. Others, such as Sweden and South Korea, may offer some countries a favourable line-of-credit or financing terms should a country choose their respective fighters; Pakistan is in no position to offer such support.

To be frank, it is unlikely that any of today’s lightweight platforms, such as the JF-17, will make massive in-roads (to the tune of the F-16 and MiG-21 of old) in the global fighter market. Acquisition dynamics have changed since the Cold War and there are few air forces in the world today in need of affordable platforms to serve in numbers. The market should not be the central concern for Pakistan; rather, it should focus on ensuring the JF-17 receives the developmental support to quickly reach its next big milestone.

Does the JF-17’s Market Potential Matter?
 
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A look at the challenges the JF-17 is facing on the global fighter market

04 January 2016

By Bilal Khan

Nearly 12 years after its maiden flight, the JF-17 was able to secure its first export order during the Paris Air Show in June 2015. At the time the customer was not disclosed, but at this point it is all but an open secret that the buyer was Myanmar (IHS Jane’s 360). Moving forward, Pakistan is reportedly aiming to close a sale of up to 10 JF-17s to the Sri Lankan Air Force as well as pursue possible leads in the form of Nigeria, Egypt and Morocco.

There has been some recent momentum, but it is a far cry from the expectations the fighter carried in its early development years, especially in the hopes that it could play a big part in replacing hundreds of ageing MiG-21/F-7, Mirage III/5 and F-5 Tiger IIs serving in the developing world. The fact that China, the co-development partner, did not order any JF-17s did not help with building positive perception either. With the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) as the sole user at this time, one might feel tempted to conclude that the JF-17 program did not live up to its expectations, or that it is too flawed to succeed.

Granted, the JF-17 is no paragon of fighter design nor a trendsetter for high-performance benchmarks, but it was never meant to be in the first place. Right from the onset the JF-17 was envisioned as a relatively low-cost replacement for the increasingly obsolete legacy platforms in service by the hundreds in the PAF, not to mention the many other air forces in Asia and Africa with similar or direr financial capacities. If there was a standard to broadly assess the JF-17, it ought to be on the basis of whether it actually delivers current-day air warfare benefits to an air force.

In Pakistan, the JF-17 has thus far replaced the PAF’s entire fleet of Nanchang A-5s as well as a number of its many Chengdu F-7Ps. For the most part, these platforms were limited to using the AIM-9 Sidewinder within visual-range air-to-air missile (WVRAAM) and general purpose bombs (GPB).

The JF-17 on the other hand has been greenlit to use the SD-10 active radar-guided beyond visual range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM), LT-2 laser-guided bombs (LGB) as well as LS-3/LS-6 satellite-aided precision-guided bombs (PGB), MAR-1 anti-radiation missile (ARM), H-2/H-4 stand-off weapon (SOW), as well as C-802 and CM-400AKG anti-ship missiles (AShM). For a more thorough understanding of the JF-17, be sure to read Quwa’s prior articles on the fighter.

The difference in munitions alone demonstrates how much of a leap the JF-17 is in comparison to the hundreds of legacy platforms still in service around the world. However, if this is apparent, then it begs the question, “Why is the JF-17 having difficulty in garnering sales?”

The answer can be traced to two issues: First, the apparent bifurcation of the combat aircraft market, i.e. the pull towards two extremes between aircraft that are expensive high-performance fighters such as the Rafale on one end of the spectrum, and very low-cost light attack aircraft such as the A-29 Super Tucano on the other end. Second, the reality that arms acquisitions are not purely commercial transactions.

A number of air forces that in an earlier age would have made for prospective JF-17 buyers may today be inclined towards light close air support (CAS) aircraft such as the A-29 Super Tucano or the in-development Textron AirLand Scorpion. The rationale (in those specific countries) would stem from the idea that there are no aerial or state-level threats warranting a full-fledged fighter; A-29-like aircraft would be sufficient for defending one’s territorial integrity from low-capacity threats (such as smugglers or war lords).

On the other end of the spectrum are air forces content with acquiring comparatively small numbers of expensive high-performance fighters such as the Dassault Rafale or Eurofighter Typhoon. For a country upholding key security interests necessitating a fighter fleet, an air force may emphasize a smaller number of potent force-multipliers ahead of a larger number of less capable platforms. In the end, it may seem more efficient and worthwhile for certain countries to acquire two squadrons of Typhoons over four or five JF-17 squadrons.

In effect, the JF-17 has to compete in an increasingly compressed space in the middle, which in turn is increasingly saturated with very similar platforms: FA-50, Tejas, second-hand Gripens and surplus early-model F-16s. However, there is also the angle of international relations. For example, countries aspiring to join NATO (such as those in the Balkans) will probably look to surplus F-16s for replacing their MiGs, not just out of concern for cost, but the fact that it is a mature platform of choice within the organization. Others, such as Sweden and South Korea, may offer some countries a favourable line-of-credit or financing terms should a country choose their respective fighters; Pakistan is in no position to offer such support.

To be frank, it is unlikely that any of today’s lightweight platforms, such as the JF-17, will make massive in-roads (to the tune of the F-16 and MiG-21 of old) in the global fighter market. Acquisition dynamics have changed since the Cold War and there are few air forces in the world today in need of affordable platforms to serve in numbers. The market should not be the central concern for Pakistan; rather, it should focus on ensuring the JF-17 receives the developmental support to quickly reach its next big milestone.

Does the JF-17’s Market Potential Matter?

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Export potential of the JF-17 Combat Aircraft


China has been trying to export the JF-17 aircraft – which is jointly developed with Pakistan – and received its first export order from an unnamed Asian country at the Paris Air Show two weeks ago.

Three JF-17 combat aircraft were displayed at the air show from 15-

20 June 2015, including one that conducted aerial displays in order to appeal to potential customers.

What is the JF-17s market position? Could this lead to other export orders?

Given their presence at the Paris Air Show and the fact that they have secured one successful export order, it is clear that China and

Pakistan see significant potential for the JF-17 on the international fighter market. There have been reports of interest from Azerbaijan,

Bangladesh, Egypt, Iran, and Malaysia, while MPI has previously reported about possible interest from Argentina, Myanmar and Saudi

Arabia.

First Export Order

The first export customer for the JF-17 has not been named. All that has been reported is that the order comes from an “Asian country” for around 18-24 aircraft. A few defence publications initially speculated that the customer was probably Myanmar. However, recent news stories by major publications in Pakistan, China, and Sri Lanka have claimed that the launch customer was in fact Sri Lanka.

According to Want China Times, “Rumors that Sri Lanka might be the first to export the JF-17 arose earlier this month when a photo of the office of a Sri Lankan air force commander revealed a scale model of the JF-17”. Meanwhile, Pakistan based news reports and Sri Lankan national newspaper Hiru News have said, “The Pakistan Air Force announced that they will begin delivery of the JF-17 to Sri Lanka from 2017.”

Note: There is no way of knowing for sure as to who the launch customer is. The case of both Sri Lanka and Myanmar, among other countries, are examined below to assess how and why they might buy JF-17s. Production and export hurdles. The JF-17 is an advanced combat aircraft that was jointly developed by China’s Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation (CAIC) and the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC). Pakistan was the launch customer for the platform, which was originally called the FC-1 (redesignated the JF-17 for service in the Pakistan Air Force). After a small number of aircraft were completed in China, final assembly shifted to Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) in Kamra, which also builds a number of components in Pakistan. According to Forecast International estimates, the PAC assembles the aircraft locally, producing about

60 percent of the airframe and 80 percent of the avionics. The air display and export of the JF-17 shows that China has resolved earlier export hurdles caused by the use of Russian-made engines in the aircraft.

The aircraft displayed in Paris carried a new Chinese medium-thrust turbofan engine. This now means that the aircraft can be exported by China and Pakistan without any restrictions from Russia over the re-export of its engines. According to estimates from news reports in 2014, the standard export price for the JF-17 Block 1 is USD20 million, with the Block 2 being USD25 million.

Assessment of the market:

Myanmar: The Burma Times reported in June 2014 that Myanmar plans to build an unspecified number of JF-17s under license. There was no further report about this until some speculations emerged that Myanmar may in fact be the “Asian customer” announced during the Paris Air Show. Myanmar has always been on the top of the list of possible customers, given that their past procurements indicate a trend of acquiring Chinese-made aircraft. Assessments by The Diplomat and data from the IISS Military Balance show that Myanmar has previously operated or currently operates a number of Chinese-made aircraft, including NAMC A-5C fighters,

Chengdu F-7M Airguard fighters and Y-8 medium-lift transports. Myanmar was also reported to have bought Sky 02A Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) from China and replicated them domestically. There is absolutely no indication that Myanmar can afford the cost of the aircraft, but given close defence ties with China, it can only be assumed that it is a recipient of loans and long-term repayment options from China.

Sri Lanka: Despite foreign media reports that claim Sri Lanka will be the first foreign buyer of the JF-17 Thunder, there has been no official confirmation of this from the Sri Lanka Air Force. It is no doubt that they are a potential customer; both China and Pakistan have offered the aircraft to the Sri Lanka Army Air Force (SLAF). The SLAF has been planning to procure additional MiG-29s from

Russia. There has been no public report of a deal having gone through as of now. This is a gap that the JF-17 would try to fill as it is being marketed as a competitor to the MiG-29 in many markets. Sri Lanka maintains close defence ties with China and Pakistan. The

SLAF currently operates Chinese made aircraft including J-7 fighter jets, nine Y-12 transport aircraft, and has placed orders for two MA60 transport aircraft.

Argentina: In 2013, Argentine and Chinese authorities were in talks over a possible co-production of the JF-17 aircraft in China. The aircraft produced in Argentina were to be renamed Pulqui-III. The deal has not yet gone through for a variety of reasons including political, economic, and technical considerations (i.e previous problems surrounding the re-export of Russian engines). Argentina, in principle, still remains a potential customer for the JF-17s. Defence relations between Argentina and China have been growing over the past decade and it has come to include joint-production. In 2011, Argentina’s Fabrica and China’s AVIC signed a co-production deal for the CZ-11 single-engine light multi-purpose helicopter. The two countries are also partnering in the space technology sector. China is building a strategic Southern Hemisphere tracking and control facility, and Argentina could get access to China’s growing surveillance satellite network. Nigeria: The Nigerian Air Force currently operates Chinese fighter aircraft. Its inventory includes F-7NI (export designation of the J-7) combat aircraft and FT-7NI trainers China. News reports coming out of the IDEAS 2014 exhibition in Karachi suggested that Nigeria has shown significant interest in the JF-

17, seeking to purchase up to 40 aircraft. However, the country did not follow through with signing a contract.

In April 2015, Nigeria was cited as a “potential buyer” by China Military

Online. However, it does not look like this is going anywhere given that

Nigeria is mired in its own political troubles and security priorities within the country. It is unlikely that Nigeria has the budget to follow through with this procurement at present. Azerbaijan: Media reports have been circling for some time about a potential Azerbaijani purchase of

JF-17s. News reports as early as 2007 indicated Azerbaijani interest in the JF-17, and the national Azeri- Press Agency stated in 2009 that the Air Force would be acquiring JF-17 aircraft from Pakistan by 2015 as part of its modernisation programme.

In late 2011, Azerbaijan’s state news agency News.Az reported that government officials had held multiple rounds of discussions with officials from the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex at the Dubai

Air Show regarding a potential purchase of JF-17 aircraft. According to the report, the size of the initial order had been determined, although a deal had not yet been signed.

Saudi Arabia: Pakistan’s media reported in February 2014 that the country would engage in talks with Saudi Arabia over a possible sale of JF-17 aircraft at the back of a discussion over Pakistan’s procurement of Saudi Arabian Al-Khalid main battle tanks (MBTs). While the two countries enjoy close defence relations, MPI assesses that it is less likely that Saudi would be a JF-17 customer. Saudi Arabia’s inventory includes a mix of European- and US-manufactured fighter jets including the Eurofighter Typhoon and Boeing F-15s. It even has a total of 30 Eurofighters and 84 F-15s on order (i.e yet to be delivered to Saudi Arabia).

Market pointers – light armoured vehicles in Asia

Historical data from Forecast International and the IISS

Military Balance suggest some interesting trends about the market for light armoured vehicles in Asia. Procurement stories covered by MPI over the past decade have been indicative of the fact that the increasing popularity of these vehicles is providing various opportunities for minor players and new entrants to carve out a viable niche market.

Stratification

Forecast International notes that a stratification of contractors and products is emerging. In the lower half of the market, the contractor offers relatively cheap, simple armoured vehicles to a potentially wide customer base – in effect, trading unit price for volume. This trend is reflected in various procurements in emerging markets such as the Philippines.

An example is provided in the article below about the possible procurement of APCs and MRAPs in the Philippines where a potential replacement would cover the Army and the Police. The emerging “family of vehicles” concept offers a cost-effective additional alternative, potentially supplanting much of the low-end and high-end market segments in the future. In the People’s Republic of China, the People’s

Liberation Army (PLA) is already implementing this concept on an

Army-wide scale. Singapore and Malaysia have taken a similar route.

The Asian market is largely characterised by a demand for cost-effective solutions emanating through various procurement initiatives, as opposed to any one major programme covering a large quantity (such as some joint programmes in the US). There are some exceptions such as the LAND

400 programme in Australia, which is in principle at the high end of the market where the contractor offers state-of-the-art vehicle systems with decidedly steep unit prices. (Source: MPI – Hawk Information)
 
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Pakistan should be pleased with JF-17 programme, they achieved what they wanted. They wanted a fighter which could fulfil PAF requirements. It's China which which is should be more worried, as it was their designed. And if this fighter doesn't becomes F-16 or Mig-21 of 21st century then it's China's failure, not Pakistans.
 
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Make the rumors about block 3 happen ! Then anything else will be possible #
 
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Pakistan should be pleased with JF-17 programme, they achieved what they wanted. They wanted a fighter which could fulfil PAF requirements. It's China which which is should be more worried, as it was their designed. And if this fighter doesn't becomes F-16 or Mig-21 of 21st century then it's China's failure, not Pakistans.
I partially but looking at JF17 that it was made to become today's F16 or Mig-21 is another missunderstanding... Mig21 and F16 were one of the best and technologically most advance air crafts of their time... the only resemblance between these three planes is all of them were single engine light weight fighters ... However, JF17 is totally a different class of fighter ... it is not the most advanced fighter of its class; however, it provides maximum cost benefit ratio ... furthermore, F16 and Mig-21 were the symbol of captialism and communism whereas JF17 does not symbolize any of these ...

However, I agree for Pakistan it is a complete success we are able to replace three (third generation platform) with fourth generation on top of that it will be converted to 4+ generation with AESA as it is already BVR capable... so lots of savings in inventory, training, and lots of other requirements,,, now need of the day is to establish engine repair / assembly facility within Pakistan,,, than it would be one of the greatest project in aviation history of Pakistan ...
 
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The global arms market is slowing down, and its hard for emerging players to make a space for them among the reputed vendors.
 
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I partially but looking at JF17 that it was made to become today's F16 or Mig-21 is another missunderstanding... Mig21 and F16 were one of the best and technologically most advance air crafts of their time... the only resemblance between these three planes is all of them were single engine light weight fighters ... However, JF17 is totally a different class of fighter ... it is not the most advanced fighter of its class; however, it provides maximum cost benefit ratio ... furthermore, F16 and Mig-21 were the symbol of captialism and communism whereas JF17 does not symbolize any of these ...

However, I agree for Pakistan it is a complete success we are able to replace three (third generation platform) with fourth generation on top of that it will be converted to 4+ generation with AESA as it is already BVR capable... so lots of savings in inventory, training, and lots of other requirements,,, now need of the day is to establish engine repair / assembly facility within Pakistan,,, than it would be one of the greatest project in aviation history of Pakistan ...
But jf17 is a plane that can be equipped with any gadgetry or weaponry that's what makes it the best in maybe whole world at very low cost. I believe any air force if produce these jets in good quantity projects a very deadly power.
 
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yes, 3rd world country who can't afford best available fighters that available in market.....

I m taking about 50+ millions aircrafts
 
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Hi,

The market potential for the JF 17 does not matter. It was designed for the paf and that is who the end user is going to be---that is what the primary goal of the paf should have been.

If by spending 400 million dollars + another 500 million for refining the product---the JF17 is a great payback in quality and ability to the pak military for the money invested---if investment was the merit.

It was a bad advise given to the paf or their own analysis was bad when they started to pitch this aircraft to future customers.

They should have never done that---they should have simply presented the product as their own to show what they have done----and to show off its abilities---capabilities and weapons and electronic package---.

That was all that was needed----but then pakistan air force wanted to become a " car saleman "---totally screwed up its product and GAVE AWAY ALL THE PROFIT .

And with the lack of a 2 seater---totally fckd up the opportunity to sell the aircraft in a timely manner. How could they scr-ew up so bad----?

Again that was an extremely poor decision and showed a very bad planning.

And if you can dig in deeper into it---into this lack of two seater decision---there will be other bad decisions that will pop up as well.
 
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Hi,

The market potential for the JF 17 does not matter. It was designed for the paf and that is who the end user is going to be---that is what the primary goal of the paf should have been.

If by spending 400 million dollars + another 500 million for refining the product---the JF17 is a great payback in quality and ability to the pak military for the money invested---if investment was the merit.

It was a bad advise given to the paf or their own analysis was bad when they started to pitch this aircraft to future customers.

They should have never done that---they should have simply presented the product as their own to show what they have done----and to show off its abilities---capabilities and weapons and electronic package---.

That was all that was needed----but then pakistan air force wanted to become a " car saleman "---totally screwed up its product and GAVE AWAY ALL THE PROFIT .

And with the lack of a 2 seater---totally fckd up the opportunity to sell the aircraft in a timely manner. How could they scr-ew up so bad----?

Again that was an extremely poor decision and showed a very bad planning.

And if you can dig in deeper into it---into this lack of two seater decision---there will be other bad decisions that will pop up as well.
Agreed. At the end of the day what mattered was whether the PAF could get a sanction-free solution to meet the majority of its air warfare needs, and it did. There was no need to immediately try and drive for exports; if anything, it may have ended up as a distraction, at least in some respects. For example, the PAF was content with not having twin-seaters, but the 'market' wanted twin-seaters, and now time and money was being put into developing a twin-seater. If not the twin-seater, then the prior studies (and God-forbid an attempt) at Westernizing the JF-17 via a EJ200 and European radar and avionics.

The PAF should have driven hard - above all else - at accelerating Block-II and Block-III. In fact, if it were purely up to PAF, we probably would not even have thought about a twin seater until Block-III, at which point that design would serve as a strike aircraft.
 
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Agreed. At the end of the day what mattered was whether the PAF could get a sanction-free solution to meet the majority of its air warfare needs, and it did. There was no need to immediately try and drive for exports; if anything, it may have ended up as a distraction, at least in some respects. For example, the PAF was content with not having twin-seaters, but the 'market' wanted twin-seaters, and now time and money was being put into developing a twin-seater. If not the twin-seater, then the prior studies (and God-forbid an attempt) at Westernizing the JF-17 via a EJ200 and European radar and avionics.

The PAF should have driven hard - above all else - at accelerating Block-II and Block-III. In fact, if it were purely up to PAF, we probably would not even have thought about a twin seater until Block-III, at which point that design would serve as a strike aircraft.

Hi,

Well---they had planned to sell this aircraft right from the gitgo----so---any research done would have told them that a twin seater was a must for foreign countries that they were targetting---.

They should have built the twin---and just kept mum about selling them---. Then just taken the aircraft to air shows and display it----no reason to talk about selling them---. The bees will automatically come.

As a salesman---I never bring out the price----. The price is the last of the issues----meet and greet----find what they want----display and demo----and then the price comes after that----.

It would be a given that the price would be less than the F16----. Let the buyer speculate----. Start high and you can come lower----but when you start low----there is no where to go.
 
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They should have built the twin---and just kept mum about selling them---. Then just taken the aircraft to air shows and display it----no reason to talk about selling them---. The bees will automatically come.

Sir did they intend to sell it right from beginning or was it like the jet was given some airshows before they made their intention public? What you said is best explained by Urdu idiom "Piyasa kunaway kay pass ata hay, kunwa piyasay kay pass nahi jata".
 
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Sir did they intend to sell it right from beginning or was it like the jet was given some airshows before they made their intention public? What you said is best explained by Urdu idiom "Piyasa kunaway kay pass ata hay, kunwa piyasay kay pass nahi jata".


Hi,

Intent was right from the word go----they had already assessed that for this type of aircraft---there would be so many sales---. No other single engine aircraft available without sanctions in the lower tier price range.

It is the problem with the way that they approached it that makes it an issue-----and still is a non issue---but it is irksome---.

This aircraft is for paf---for the money that they have spent----it is par excellence---.

As this aircraft is sanction proof----the price should have been kept a little bit higher to start with----. You can always bring the price down----but to raise it after the fact is tough----but not impossible.

After the first order takes delivery the subsequent orders may see a raise in the price---.
 
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Most of the poor countries need a dedicated ground attack aircraft or good attack helicopter. A fighter is good against an enemy who will never attack these poor countries

If the jf17 succeeds look for Russia to introduce a low cost combat aircraft variant
 
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The bottom line: The JF is one of the most cost effective aircraft in the world. Period!
 
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