Does India Qualify For UNSC Special Status?Poll

[Musafir117]

Do You Agree?

YES

NO

I Don't Know

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

What is UNSC special status?

If you mean a Permanent seat, then yes.

If you mean a Permanent seat with VETO power, then no.

We already have such trouble trying to get anything done with only 5 veto powers, if that gets doubled (as per the request of the G4) then literally nothing will get done.

 

[IsaacNewton]

India's GDP is less than Italy, so no, at least not yet.

If they truly become #3 economy by a large margin (as in 2x Japan's economy like China is today), then maybe. But as of now, no.

If former Axis (Germany, Japan, Italy) doesn't get it, then India in its current strength doesn't get it as well.

 

[ares]

India's GDP is less than Italy, so no, at least not yet.

If they truly become #3 economy by a large margin (as in 2x Japan's economy like China is today), then maybe. But as of now, no.

If former Axis (Germany, Japan, Italy) doesn't get it, then India in its current strength doesn't get it as well.

What does GDP have to do with getting a seat at the high table?
Should only rich people be allowed to sit at the high table...poor should have no representation?

India represents one sixth of the humanity and that is why she deserves a seat at the UN high table.

 

[Judge]

India's GDP is less than Italy, so no, at least not yet.

If they truly become #3 economy by a large margin (as in 2x Japan's economy like China is today), then maybe. But as of now, no.

If former Axis (Germany, Japan, Italy) doesn't get it, then India in its current strength doesn't get it as well.

Probably a decade and a half before Indian economy comes in the top 5.

And as ares said - its not just economy, we are a large country by every means imaginable - people to resources...and soon enough economy. There is no measure by which we can be denied. Either the P5 becomes willing to change..or it looses what little relevance it has.

 

[Musafir117]

What is UNSC special status?

If you mean a Permanent seat, then yes.

If you mean a Permanent seat with VETO power, then no.

We already have such trouble trying to get anything done with only 5 veto powers, if that gets doubled (as per the request of the G4) then literally nothing will get done.

Permanent Members Five with Veto Powers are
1. United States
2. United Kingdom
3. France
4. Soviet Union (now Russia)
5. Republic of China (now the People's Republic of China)

India's bid is for Sixth Permeant one.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

What does GDP have to do with getting a seat at the high table?
Should only rich people be allowed to sit at the high table...poor should have no representation?

India represents one sixth of the humanity and that is why deserves a seat at the UN high table.

Africa also represents a huge chunk of humanity, so does the Middle East. And Latin America, and SE Asia. Which countries should represent these regions?

But which member of the P5 is willing to dilute their own veto power? That's why it has been "artificially delayed" for over a decade:

Delays in UNSC reforms will diminish its relevance: G4 bloc - Economic Times

PTI May 10, 2014, 02.42 PM IST

UNITED NATIONS: The G4 bloc of Brazil, Germany, India and Japan has said "status quo" and "artificial delays" in implementing the UNSC reforms will diminish the relevance of the United Nations, even as Pakistan called the grouping a "minority" that wants to reconfigure the Security Council to secure "their national interests."

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Japan, German should get it as well.

 

[Judge]

Africa also represents a huge chunk of humanity, so does the Middle East. And Latin America, and SE Asia. Which countries should represent these regions?

But which member of the P5 is willing to dilute their own veto power? That's why it has been "artificially delayed" for over a decade:

Delays in UNSC reforms will diminish its relevance: G4 bloc - Economic Times

PTI May 10, 2014, 02.42 PM IST

UNITED NATIONS: The G4 bloc of Brazil, Germany, India and Japan has said "status quo" and "artificial delays" in implementing the UNSC reforms will diminish the relevance of the United Nations, even as Pakistan called the grouping a "minority" that wants to reconfigure the Security Council to secure "their national interests."

The difference is that Africa is not one Country, we are.

Secondly, the P-5 has been able to put this off. No one for a second believes that they would be willing to dilute their powers on their own, though India will without a doubt mount the biggest challenge to UN global order P5 has ever seen, a couple of decades down the line. Till then, this question is pointless.

Whether P-5 likes it or not. This will happen.

 

[Musafir117]

India's GDP is less than Italy, so no, at least not yet.

If they truly become #3 economy by a large margin (as in 2x Japan's economy like China is today), then maybe. But as of now, no.

If former Axis (Germany, Japan, Italy) doesn't get it, then India in its current strength doesn't get it as well.

Sure, Germany, Japan, Italy, Brazil are also questing for it from long ago and they encounter India's move for that, the other reason as it would disturb the balance in the region.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Japan, German should get it as well.

No chance.

2/5 of the P5 members are already from Europe, you want to add another one? Then the EU will dominate even more than they already do. Germany should get a seat from either Britain or France.

As for Japan, they have an active territorial dispute with both China and Russia. And China has said we will veto them as long as the territorial dispute exists.

Not to mention both Germany and Japan are VERY pro-America. They would just vote with America on every resolution, how would that be good for China and Russia?

Most likely China and Russia will double-veto like we did for the Syria resolution. They already know that, which is why a reform resolution has not actually been brought before the UNSC in the past decade, it's been continuously delayed.

 

[Levina]

Africa also represents a huge chunk of humanity, so does the Middle East. And Latin America, and SE Asia. Which countries should represent these regions?

But which member of the P5 is willing to dilute their own veto power? That's why it has been "artificially delayed" for over a decade:

Delays in UNSC reforms will diminish its relevance: G4 bloc - Economic Times

PTI May 10, 2014, 02.42 PM IST

UNITED NATIONS: The G4 bloc of Brazil, Germany, India and Japan has said "status quo" and "artificial delays" in implementing the UNSC reforms will diminish the relevance of the United Nations, even as Pakistan called the grouping a "minority" that wants to reconfigure the Security Council to secure "their national interests."

At the time that China became a permanent member, it was not a particularly strong or influential country.
However it was one of the "big four" Allies during World War II and had a strong relationship with the United States.
Keep in mind that this China was the Republic of China, with whom the United States had very close political and military ties, and not the Communist government that later came to power as the People's Republic of China, which only took over China's Security Council seat in 1971.

 

[ares]

Africa also represents a huge chunk of humanity, so does the Middle East. And Latin America, and SE Asia. Which countries should represent these regions?

But which member of the P5 is willing to dilute their own veto power? That's why it has been "artificially delayed" for over a decade:

Delays in UNSC reforms will diminish its relevance: G4 bloc - Economic Times

PTI May 10, 2014, 02.42 PM IST

UNITED NATIONS: The G4 bloc of Brazil, Germany, India and Japan has said "status quo" and "artificial delays" in implementing the UNSC reforms will diminish the relevance of the United Nations, even as Pakistan called the grouping a "minority" that wants to reconfigure the Security Council to secure "their national interests."

1. Africa is a continent not a country.

2. which country in Africa or Middle East represents a major chunk of human population.

3. UNO stands for United Nations Organisation. Africa is not a nation and neither is middle East.

 

[Kloitra]

What does GDP have to do with getting a seat at the high table?
Should only rich people be allowed to sit at the high table...poor should have no representation?

India represents one sixth of the humanity and that is why she deserves a seat at the UN high table.

India doesn't have the resources or influence compared to the current P5. Those rich people earned this position through their strength. And even now can project power (soft or hard) across the globe. India can neither. Instead of begging, India should quietly develop itself so that giving it a seat becomes inevitable.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

No chance.

2/5 of the P5 members are already from Europe, you want to add another one? Then the EU will dominate even more than they already do. Germany should get a seat from either Britain or France.

As for Japan, they have an active territorial dispute with both China and Russia. And China has said we will veto them as long as the territorial dispute exists.

Not to mention both Germany and Japan are VERY pro-America. They would just vote with America on every resolution, how would that be good for China and Russia?

Most likely China and Russia will double-veto like we did for the Syria resolution. They already know that, which is why a reform resolution has not actually been brought before the UNSC in the past decade, it's been continuously delayed.

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