Does India Qualify For UNSC Special Status?Poll

[TheTruth]

No. Maybe in 150 years. India has no particular interests under assault (that can be redressed by UN) or perspective to offer to the UNSC, which is bad enough already. India represents a huge part of humanity with a profound cultural legacy but all they're going to do is use their powers to snub their South Asian neighbors whenever they get the chance.

If anything France and Britain should be exchanged for Germany.

I would be willing to support the accession if India gave up all claims to illegally occupied "Mongoloid" land, or made them Special Autonomous Regions with a 1 child policy (including forced abortions and deportation) for non-indigenous people.

 

[Levina]

Then what's the point of being on the P5 at all?

Right!
whats the point of being included in an ineffective group???
Chechnya, Tibet, Xinjiang, Northern Ireland, Sudan, Uganda, Colombia and Syria prove my point.
The Security Council never debated the Algerian war or the partitioning of India because of the hidden vetoes of France and the UK.
The Council did not take up US involvement in Vietnam or the Soviet war in Afghanistan even though hostilities continued for almost a decade.
US and UK clashed with Russia, China, and France over Iraq.
so tell me which country among P5 is an angel???

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Right!
whats the point of being included in an ineffective group???
Chechnya, Tibet, Xinjiang, Northern Ireland, Sudan, Uganda, Colombia and Syria prove my point.
The Security Council never debated the Algerian war or the partitioning of India because of the hidden vetoes of France and the UK.
The Council did not take up US involvement in Vietnam or the Soviet war in Afghanistan even though hostilities continued for almost a decade.
US and UK clashed with Russia, China, and France over Iraq.
so tell me which country among P5 is an angel???

If the P5 is so ineffective, why do you want to join?

Just so you can be ineffective with us?

If you are just going to be "neutral", and abstain on all these big issues, then what's the difference if you are on the P5 or not?

so tell me which country among P5 is an angel???

Not a single one.

In fact, no country in the entire world is an angel.

Geopolitics doesn't run on morality or being an angel, it never did. Geopolitics is all about relative power.

 

[Levina]

If the P5 is so ineffective, why do you want to join?

Just so you can be ineffective with us?

You got me wrong there, I was never in favor nor against it.
And I also know that India would not make it to UN's permanent members anytime soon, for the support provided by P5 members is nothing but a lip service.
But I see India as the most obvious and least controversial option to add as a permanent member and prolly long overdue for a seat.
I also want to see Japan, Germany and Brazil in the list of permanent members of UN, and then we might see some fire works in UN. Lolzzz
UN is one the slowest moving international organisation, conservative and very reluctant to change. The day is not far when nobody would take UN seriously.
For its own good UN should bring in some substantial change in its membership.

 

[Gentelman]

Honestly Why will the permanent 5 want to add another member just to loose their grip??
So probabilities can be:
Just show people dreams.
To save that veto power(As if world turn against such injustice then India is only geographically huge country which isn't included in permanent members.
Honestly that's just a lollypop of West to drain last drops from golden sparrow...

 

[TheTruth]

For its own good UN should bring in some substantial change in its membership.

Whites will never allow world poor to express their grievances and enforce just laws in the world. A "UN" that kicks out all whites (with few exceptions) would be good.

 

[Levina]

Whites will never allow world poor to express their grievances and enforce just laws in the world. A "UN" that kicks out all whites (with few exceptions) would be good.

I'm glad that atleast China breaks the "color code" among the P5, rest of the permanent members 're western countries.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

You got me wrong there, I was never in favor nor against it.
And I also know that India would not make it to UN's permanent members anytime soon, for the support provided by P5 members is nothing but a lip service.
But I see India as the most obvious and least controversial option to add as a permanent member and prolly long overdue for a seat.
I also want to see Japan, Germany and Brazil in the list of permanent members of UN, and then we might see some fire works in UN. Lolzzz
UN is one the slowest moving international organisation, conservative and very reluctant to change. The day is not far when nobody would take UN seriously.
For its own good UN should bring in some substantial change in its membership.

Well, like I said, Geopolitics is all about power.

Currently, the P5 have the most power in the world, America alone is unsurpassed by any other country or bloc.

The UNSC is useless I agree, but there is no alternative. Even if the countries outside the P5 formed their own organization, it wouldn't come close to the power of the P5.

 

[TheTruth]

Well, like I said, Geopolitics is all about power.

Currently, the P5 have the most power in the world, America alone is unsurpassed by any other country or bloc.

The UNSC is useless I agree, but there is no alternative. Even if the countries outside the P5 formed their own organization, it wouldn't come close to the power of the P5.

Except for China all P5 countries have always been the spawn of Satan. Is anyone surprised they use even a nominal power to push an evil agenda? Should just add Germany so we have Nazis too.

 

[That Guy]

No, but that doesn't mean it won't in the future.

 

[Levina]

The UNSC is useless I agree,

I'm glad that we both agree on this.

but there is no alternative. Even if the countries outside the P5 formed their own organization, it wouldn't come close to the power of the P5.

Right!
UN is a giant who has been tied down by P5.
I'm sure that if you were not Chinese you would 've favored India. wont you?

 

[CHN Bamboo]

WW2
India didnt lose much

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I'm glad that we both agree on this.


Right!
UN is a giant who has been tied down by P5.
I'm sure that if you were not Chinese you would 've favored India. wont you?

I don't have any problems with India being a member of the UNSC, except that we have a territorial dispute with them, and thus it is against our national interests to give them veto power while the dispute is still active.

It is all about national interests.

Except for China all P5 countries have always been the spawn of Satan. Is anyone surprised they use even a nominal power to push an evil agenda? Should just add Germany so we have Nazis too.

I don't consider good or evil to have anything to do with geopolitics, it's all about power and national interests.

I am also an Atheist, I don't believe in Satan, which is a Christian concept.

 

[scorpionx]

By any objective criteria like population, size, GDP, economic potential, civilisational legacy, cultural diversity or its past participation in UN military and humanitarian missions worldwide, India does qualify to be a permanent member in the UNSC. But India, itself had posed several constraints on its way to become a permanent member in the Security Council.

Inadequate resources and infrastructure (within UNSC India had smallest missions, a paltry of 24 officials just below Nigeria in 2011), the lack of in-depth engagement with international affairs by its foreign service and most importantly India’s repeated insistence on protecting territorial integrity and state sovereignty above humanitarian causes quite in contrary to the West’s interventionist policy especially after cold war era contradicts the global policy patterns. If India really wants to be seen it as a major power (whether it is necessary at all is a different debate off course) in the council, its Middle East policy today (which is still paralyzed by its pro-Arab stance) must be more consistent and firm; a mere ‘rising power’ status will not be enough nor logical any more.

 

[TheTruth]

I don't consider good or evil to have anything to do with geopolitics, it's all about power and national interests.

I am also an Atheist, I don't believe in Satan, which is a Christian concept.

I don't believe in Satan either, but the concept is still useful. True, it's all about power and national interests but these are pointless unless you have some kind of end-game you wish to achieve. All of these other states wanted world-genocide and enslavement with their particular breed on top of the pile. And then they'd do who knows what, drugs and screwing little boys and girls all day?Just pointless self-glorification and the most contemptible hedonism.

So I guess we should ask what does China want to do with its power? China can ruthlessly pursue its interests without breaking any laws or moral code.