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Does India Harbour Territorial Ambitions Towards Pakistan or Not?

For the red part; explain 1971.

Reason for 1971 turning into a military conflict is this -

Operation Chengiz Khan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

India merely exercised UN article 51 on right of self-defense.

Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.

Charter of the United Nations: Chapter VII: Action with Respect to Threats to the Peace, Breaches of the Peace and Acts of Agression
 
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The arrogance from Indians on here is laughable. I thought some Pakistanis were delusional about the state we were in but you Indians have surpassed it by miles. I just hope this forum only attracts the crazies and most Indians are more sane and reasonable.
 
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You are absolutely right and the guy you are replying to has a very strange idea about Australians. We don't hate anyone as long as they behave themselves. South Asians are fine. I've worked with plenty of South Asians in my time, including Indians and ethnic Indians from Singapore, Sri Lankans, and Nepalese, and a range of East Asians, too, they were all good people and good colleagues. No native-born Australian working in our offices had a problem in the world with these guys. They did their work, they were good workers, intelligent conversationalists, and they easily socialised with their Australian-born co-workers. They were liked and respected. Some of them may have been Muslim for all I know. In the West it is considered impolite to ask somebody what their religion is and we don't as a rule talk on religious matters. The person has to volunteer that sort of information himself or herself. We are a tolerant, generous people and if people come to our country to work and have a better life all we ask is that our laws are observed and culture is respected. Your religion and culture are in turn is respected and tolerated. Hindus celebrate Diwali, Chinese Buddhists and Taoists celebrate their festivals including Chinese New Year, as do other East Asians such as the Vietnamese, Muslims observe Ramadan, all this goes on in Australia and that's fine and it adds richness to the society. As long as everyone obeys the law and respects the other person's culture, there isn't a problem.

I know mate. I'm actually British. We moved here when I was 5 years old. Mr brother's joining Royal Army when he finishes his UOTC (University Offier Training Course). But, I hate it when migrants come and segregate themselves and don't assimilate with the local culture and try to impose theirs on everyone.
 
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I know mate. I'm actually British. We moved here when I was 5 years old. Mr brother's joining Royal Army when he finishes his UOTC (University Offier Training Course). But, I hate it when migrants come and segregate themselves and don't assimilate with the local culture and try to impose theirs on everyone.

That's good. That's the way to be. Pakistan is a strange beast and its got a lot of problems. It is in a tough part of the world. On the one hand it hates the West in one way but will line up and take money from America as foreign aid and many Pakistanis are happy to emigrate to Western countries. I've really got nothing against Pakistanis as long as they behave themselves like they should like everyone else. One of the reasons we tend to side with India, too, and Australia actually exports uranium to India, is the fact that in all the Indo-Pak wars Pakistan was the one that started them, although no doubt some or many Pakistanis will dispute this.
 
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That's good. That's the way to be. Pakistan is a strange beast and its got a lot of problems. It is in a tough part of the world. On the one hand it hates the West in one way but will line up and take money from America as foreign aid and many Pakistanis are happy to emigrate to Western countries. I've really got nothing against Pakistanis as long as they behave themselves like they should like everyone else. One of the reasons we tend to side with India, too, and Australia actually exports uranium to India, is the fact that in all the Indo-Pak wars Pakistan was the one that started them, although no doubt some or many Pakistanis will dispute this.

Exactly! I personally don't have anything against Pakistan or Pakistanis. I have many Pakistani friends. Yes, Australia does sell Uranium to India
But, see stuff like 'More than twice as many British Muslims have joined Islamic State to fight west than have joined her majesty's armed forces over the past three years.' makes one wonder.
Hundreds more UK Muslims choose jihad than army | The Times
I am sure Australian Muslims must have travelled to Syria to join ISIS as well? I maybe on the verge of sounding like a far-right European party member but to be honest multiculturalism has failed.
 
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Exactly! I personally don't have anything against Pakistan or Pakistanis. I have many Pakistani friends. Yes, Australia does sell Uranium to India
But, see stuff like 'More than twice as many British Muslims have joined Islamic State to fight west than have joined her majesty's armed forces over the past three years.' makes one wonder.
Hundreds more UK Muslims choose jihad than army | The Times
I am sure Australian Muslims must have travelled to Syria to join ISIS as well? I maybe on the verge of sounding like a far-right European party member but to be honest multiculturalism has failed.
You can’t really blame them can you? If the British army was fighting people that were mostly Sikhs I doubt many Sikhs would want to join and add to the fact you would be looked with suspicion and be mocked. You have to remember PC (political correctness) goes out of the window when you’re in the army. So it no surprise that Muslims don’t want to join and the people that have left for ISIS have done their respective countries a favour hopefully the British government makes sure they don't come back.
 
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You can’t really blame them can you? If the British army was fighting people that were mostly Sikhs I doubt many Sikhs would want to join and add to the fact you would be looked with suspicion and be mocked. You have to remember PC (political correctness) goes out of the window when you’re in the army. So it no surprise that Muslims don’t want to join and the people that have left for ISIS have done their respective countries a favour hopefully the British government makes sure they don't come back.

No I understand that. But, what I'm trying to say is why will they be ridiculed or laughed at if they joined their own country's armed forces? Aren't armed forces' members meant to be heroes for them as well? Or is Pan-Islamism stronger than Nationalism?

What you're essentially saying is that British Muslims like to have British passports and enjoy the welfare handouts but not become British? Don't you think that line of thinking needs to change among Muslims?
 
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No I understand that. But, what I'm trying to say is why will they be ridiculed or laughed at if they joined their own country's armed forces? Aren't armed forces' members meant to be heroes for them as well? Or is Pan-Islamism stronger than Nationalism?

What you're essentially saying is that British Muslims like to have British passports and enjoy the welfare handouts but not become British? Don't you think that line of thinking needs to change among Muslims?

It’s because the people who they happen to fight are Muslims (which i have already outlined the reason for them not joining by my first post to you) and the wars have been totally pointless that have caused nothing but death and misery (bothsides) and achieved no tangible benefits to anyone but actually created more extremist and you don’t have to join the armed forces or be for the war to be British. Isn’t that one of the positives of Western countries?

I bet the number of South Asians in the British military are very small compared to the general populations of South Asians and what needs to change is extremism/ more tolerance by some parts of the Muslims community. Joining the army has nothing to do with it.
 
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Yes ...in the very same manner..in which RAW and Indian armed forces need propaganda... that whatever happens in INDIA.....The MIGHTY ISI is behind it....
koi baat nai yaar...tmary army r intelligence agencies ko apna pait palne k lye" ISI fear" ki zarurt he to hme koi masla nai....kisi ki rozi rotti pe laat nai marte hm....:p::pakistan:


Our security forces dont have any corporate business.So they dont need any propoganda for profit.:D

O we are far happy in pakistan than going to india and forced by BAJRANG DALL / RSS to convert to hinduism those muslims in india they would like to come to pakistan rather we should go to india ......

Who want you to be in India?
Our Muslims didnt tolerate your presence in here. Indians give last priority to the religion shit.
 
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It’s because the people who they happen to fight are Muslims (which i have already outlined the reason for them not joining by my first post to you) and the wars have been totally pointless that have caused nothing but death and misery (bothsides) and achieved no tangible benefits to anyone but actually created more extremist and you don’t have to join the armed forces or be for the war to be British. Isn’t that one of the positives of Western countries?

I bet the number of South Asians in the British military are very small compared to the general populations of South Asians and what needs to change is extremism/ more tolerance by some parts of the Muslims community. Joining the army has nothing to do with it.

So you agree it all boils down to religion or co-eligionists before the country or countrymen. Regardless of who they are or where they migrate to?
 
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So you agree it all boils down to religion or co-eligionists before the country or countrymen. Regardless of who they are or where they migrate to?
No. That wasn't the point I was making. Not supporting the army’s actions doesn't make you any less British (look at the percentage of americans and british people that are against the wars. Should that make people question their loyalty to the state?) or whatever nationality. The reluctance from Muslims to join would be the same for Sikhs if the British army was at war against an enemy that was mostly Sikhs. Do you agree with that point or not?
 
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You can visit entire world and still fail to defend a single question. India invaded Pakistan and India has exhibited territorial ambitions against Pakistan. Its too obvious that you are trying to hide fact behind noise.

India invaded pakistan? When?
Isn't pakistan that keeps trying things like Kashmir and Kargil and get their arse slapped back out of their own head?
 
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Exactly! I personally don't have anything against Pakistan or Pakistanis. I have many Pakistani friends. Yes, Australia does sell Uranium to India
But, see stuff like 'More than twice as many British Muslims have joined Islamic State to fight west than have joined her majesty's armed forces over the past three years.' makes one wonder.
Hundreds more UK Muslims choose jihad than army | The Times
I am sure Australian Muslims must have travelled to Syria to join ISIS as well? I maybe on the verge of sounding like a far-right European party member but to be honest multiculturalism has failed.

Multiculturalism has clearly failed. If one emigrates to another country, that country has the right to demand that person's loyalty to the state. Clearly too many Muslims are disloyal to the state and make enemies of themselves of the country in which they live or in which they were even born. Many Australians don't regard Muslims as Australians even if they were born in Australia; they regard them as foreigners. The Muslim community is seen as a foreign community on Australian soil because they alienate the host community and antagonise it. And they are disloyal to the state, make unreasonable demands of it, flout its laws, and commit crime. And also disproportionate number of Muslims, especially Arabs, are leeches on the Australian social-welfare system. They are happy to take the state's money as welfare, but remain disloyal to the state and continue to flout its laws. Some of the younger Muslim Arabs that have joined ISIS have never worked a day in their lives. Muslim immigration to Australia has been an immense mistake and a clear failure.
 
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