Does India Harbour Territorial Ambitions Towards Pakistan or Not?

[Meengla]

A troll thread and that too started with a reported (as by @graphican ) wrong interpretation of the original video.

Pakistan's creation was as thoroughly and completely SECULAR in its basis as any. Indeed, the Mullahs had opposed the creation of Pakistan and were opposed to the founder of Pakistan by calling him 'Kafir e Azam'. The founding fathers of Pakistan were secular. They may have been 'feudal' but they were not religious extremists.

On the other hand, the Hindu extremists opposed the creation of Pakistan. Even Gandhi paid the ultimate price. If there is a paranoia in Pakistan then surely it can't be seen without what went on in the British India leading to 1947.

And even now, you want to know what at least some of 'educated' Indians might be thinking about Pakistan? Then go read-up the Indian Bharat Rakshak forum. In a recent poll, over 90% of them want to see a broken and/or permanently destable Pakistan.

Most of Pakistan's current 'image' problem has its root in the post 911 world--a world of immense violence in which Pakistan had/has come to occupy a central place. Otherwise, Pakistan beat or matched India in most of its history. It ain't been as has been until recently.

And speaking of 'paranoid', I can a lot about how the paranoia was built about the Soviets by the all powerful and dominating West. Indians are in the same league except they accuse Pakistan of paranoia.

When peace comes back to Pakistan you will see Pakistan galloping ahead like Sri Lanka is doing since 2009.

 

[Red Spinifex]

A troll thread and that too started with a reported (as by @graphican ) wrong interpretation of the original video.

Pakistan's creation was as thoroughly and completely SECULAR in its basis as any. Indeed, the Mullahs had opposed the creation of Pakistan and were opposed to the founder of Pakistan by calling him 'Kafir e Azam'. The founding fathers of Pakistan were secular. They may have been 'feudal' but they were not religious extremists.

On the other hand, the Hindu extremists opposed the creation of Pakistan. Even Gandhi paid the ultimate price. If there is a paranoia in Pakistan then surely it can't be seen without what went on in the British India leading to 1947.

And even now, you want to know what at least some of 'educated' Indians might be thinking about Pakistan? Then go read-up the Indian Bharat Rakshak forum. In a recent poll, over 90% of them want to see a broken and/or permanently destable Pakistan.

Most of Pakistan's current 'image' problem has its root in the post 911 world--a world of immense violence in which Pakistan had/has come to occupy a central place. Otherwise, Pakistan beat or matched India in most of its history. It ain't been as has been until recently.

And speaking of 'paranoid', I can a lot about how the paranoia was built about the Soviets by the all powerful and dominating West. Indians are in the same league except they accuse Pakistan of paranoia.

When peace comes back to Pakistan you will see Pakistan galloping ahead like Sri Lanka is doing since 2009.

If it's a troll thread, why are you responding to it. Surely you would have dismissed it with the disdain you think it deserves and ignored it.

 

[OTTOMAN]

Yesterday in front of me Muslims killed and sold two fat cows in my place...

Did you reported to police ?

India is the biggest exporter of beef in the world.

where does India export...? and why than local Muslims are not allowed to cut cow according to their faith?

 

[KingMamba]

Pakistanis claim India is an external threat to Pakistan. But why? Do Pakistanis feel that India has never been reconciled to Partition and the creation of Pakistan and seeks to reunify Pakistan with India by force? Not so! says Air Vice-Marshal (Ret'd) Abid Rao of the Pakistan Air Force. He maintains that even if Pakistan were to ask India to reincorporate Pakistan into India, the Indians would refuse. If this is true, why is India used as a bogeyman in Pakistan? For what purpose is this done?

India already holds Pakistani territory in Kashmir. That is the only territory Pakistan is concerned about. Beyond that no Pakistani cares about India.

 

[SledgeHammer]

Did you reported to police ?


where does India export...? and why than local Muslims are not allowed to cut cow according to their faith?

Who told you so? You don't seem to have read what was posted earlier in reply to your questions.

 

[Red Spinifex]

India already holds Pakistani territory in Kashmir. That is the only territory Pakistan is concerned about. Beyond that no Pakistani cares about India.

Kashmir is clearly the problem. I have half-forgotten the UN's position, but I think it did involve a UN-supervised plebiscite or referendum for the people of the region and the Kashmiris could decide for themselves what they wanted.

I've always wanted to travel to Kashmir and Jammu. Friends of mine who were there in 1970s, and friends of the family in the 1960s, tell me the region is breathtakingly beautiful.

 

[Finer]

Many reasons but two standout. Pakistan almost at all levels use islam and kashmir as theirs. They cannot agree that so many muslims can live peacefully in India - because if they admit that it would mean admitting the fallacy of the reason used by its founder jinnah. So they continue to need India thought of as enemy in their minds. but since they cannot openly say islam should be their exclsuive, they pick on things like kashmir as an issue.

they believe that pakistan can only survive as long as its people hate India

Pakistan is at civil war. It makes sense why the situation in Pakistan is abnormal. That being said, Pakistan is fighting TTP, alleged-funded by foreign elements, involved in terrorism which adds new dimension in Pakistan. Nevertheless, Pakistan army is proven effective to battle terrorism, eradicated terrorism closer to 40% to be precise.

Yes, they cannot admit that given the internal problems in Pakistan. But given the long history of Pakistan and India, as their history attestt to the fact that since the creations of Pakistan and India, Muslims were always looked better in Pakistan while suffered in India for more than one decades until now. The recent progressive India plays vital role in diminishing the mistreatment towards Muslims in India.

The crucial points that cannot be brushed under the carpet as most Indians always tried to overlook by blaming everything on Pakistan. That the reality of Pakistan Kashmir and Indian Occupied Kashmir begs to differ.

Millions of Millions Muslims were slaughtered by Indian soldiers in Indian Occupied Kashmir while Kashmiris in Pakistan Kashmir enjoyed the greater stability with peace which attests to the neccessity of Pakistan a nation as existence still validates two-nations theory despite of Dhaka debacle 71'.

Kashmir is clearly the problem. I have half-forgotten the UN's position, but I think it did involve a UN-supervised plebiscite or referendum for the people of the region and the Kashmiris could decide for themselves what they wanted.

I've always wanted to travel to Kashmir and Jammu. Friends of mine who were there in 1970s, and friends of the family in the 1960s, tell me the region is breathtakingly beautiful.

The problem is more of Pakistan-India than Kashmir. Kashmir is trapped between both nations as its existence as truly kashmir threatens Pakistan and India in demographic, although its effect avails Pakistan naught. That being said, half-portion of Kashmir enjoy stability with peace under the authority of Pakistan army while other half-portion of Kashmir bears the brunt under the authority of Indian army.

 

[Red Spinifex]

Pakis relax... Redhawk isn't Indian, I think he's been in a few forum tussles with the Chinese too (look them up, he's not Indian)

See! The Indians can see who's who. They don't lack the perception to see that I'm not one of their own. It is just that many of my views coincide with the position of many of the Indians on here, that's all. Thanks, metronome!

 

[$@rJen]

Did you reported to police ?

Why should i do that??? and what police is goign to do about it.. there's no ban in India for that... and Beef tastes so good

 

[KingMamba]

Kashmir is clearly the problem. I have half-forgotten the UN's position, but I think it did involve a UN-supervised plebiscite or referendum for the people of the region and the Kashmiris could decide for themselves what they wanted.

I've always wanted to travel to Kashmir and Jammu. Friends of mine who were there in 1970s, and friends of the family in the 1960s, tell me the region is breathtakingly beautiful.

If given the option for independence Kashmiris would opt for Independence, if given only an option between Pakistan or India than Pakistan would win. India knows all this hence why it is reluctant to have any sort of referendum.

 

[metronome]

Why should i do that??? and what police is goign to do about it.. there's no ban in India for that... and Beef tastes so good

sahi bola, at least the penalty for being Kaffir hindu is not beheading carried out by the state, these savages will never learn

 

[$@rJen]

If given the option for independence Kashmiris would opt for Independence, if given only an option between Pakistan or India than Pakistan would win. India knows all this hence why it is reluctant to have any sort of referendum.

why should we order a referendum in an Indian State... no matter what our neighbors think about owning our state... Kashmir is not going anywhere from Indian hands

 

[damiendehorn]

why should we order a referendum in an Indian State... no matter what our neighbors think about owning our state... Kashmir is not going anywhere from Indian hands

your goverment discribes the portion of Kashmir held by Pakistan as Pakistan Occupied Kashmir and conversly Pakistan describes indian part of Kashmir as Indian Occupied Kashmir. Both claim Kashmir as a whole, but as as Azad Kashmir has been part of Pakistan for decades and India claims it, then by logic india does have territorial ambitions towards Pakistan, just as Pakistan has territorial ambitions towards india.

 

[Kompromat]

India was a territorial threat to Pakistan in 1971 and it did prove right. I don't think India is a territorial threat anymore.

 

[livingdead]

India does not have territorial ambition, even pakistanis know it. But as some pakistanis pointed out, it makes sense to spend money on defence against your regional adversary.