Does Himachal Pradhesh count as part of the Indus region?

[TurnThyCheek]

Does the region of Himachal Pradesh count as part of the Indus region? Are its people related to the people of Punjab and Sindh?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Does the region of Himachal Pradesh count as part of the Indus region? Are its people related to the people of Punjab and Sindh?

It appears that most of HP falls within Indus basin and formed the erstwhile British Punjab which included Pak Punjab, Indian Punjab, HP, Haryana.

 

[TurnThyCheek]

It appears that most of HP falls within Indus basin and formed the erstwhile British Punjab which included Pak Punjab, Indian Punjab, HP, Haryana.

So Himachal Pradesh's people are related to the people of modern Pakistan?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

So Himachal Pradesh's people are related to the people of modern Pakistan?

Well I can't give you a definitive answer on that as I don't know any people from HP and not very informed about them but I certainly suspect they are closer to Pakistani's then say Tamils, Odishans, Bengalis, Assamese, Karnatkans and all other aboriginals of Ganga or Dravid India.

 

[TurnThyCheek]

Well I can't give you a definitive answer on that as I don't know any people from HP and not very informed about them but I certainly suspect they are closer to Pakistani's then say Tamils, Odishans, Bengalis, Assamese, Karnatkans and all other aboriginals of Ganga or Dravid India.

Thank you for the replies, just curious about these people and their relation to modern Pakistanis

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Just to clarify the Indus Basin is central to Pakistan, however it does overflow into Kabul region of Afghanistan, Indian occupied Kashmir, Indian Punjab and westerly parts of Himachel Pradesh and slice of westerly Tibet in China. But Indus forms the backbone of Pakistan.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Indus Pakistan

Kaptaan sahib,

Most HP people are very tall, fair, slim types- similar I suspect to Kashmiris and Punjabis.

Regards

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Does the region of Himachal Pradesh count as part of the Indus region? Are its people related to the people of Punjab and Sindh?

Yes Himachal is an integral part of the Indus Valley region as it is the origin of many the Indus tributaries Chenab, Ravi, and Baes. However, it is very mountaneous and has harsh terrain, and there are no IVC sites there as of my knowledge. The IVC region in India encompasses the states of Gujarat, western Rajasthan, Punjab, Haryana, and Himachal.(JaK as well, but that is disputed. This is the most accepted map. Unfortunately, I am nowhere near as skilled at creating diagrams as IP.

As to your question about people, well I have been to HP several times so I can answer that question. HP was a part of Punjab, but has always been culturally distinct, do to its geography and majority Hindu faith. The majority of Himachali people are ethnic Paharis, an Indo-Aryan group native to the Himalayas. Paharis live in Nepal, Himalayan regions of India(Himachal, JaK, and Uttarakhand), as well as AJK in Pakistan. So most Himachalis are similar to people from AJK. Himachal also has a significant Dogra population, and Dogras have Rajput ancestry, so there is also similarity with Pakistani Rajputs.
Keep in mind Himachal borders Tibet, so there is a strong Tibetan influence in Eastern HP. There are several languages in this region similar to TIbetan, such as Spiti and Kinnauri. Of Course, there are a lot of Tibetans as well since Himachal is the home of the Dalai Lama.
Other dialects of Pahari spoken in Himachal are Kangri and Mendeali. Some of these dialects have their own script, such as Kangri, which was historically written in Takri.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangri_dialect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pahari_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinnauri_language
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Pahari
So yes, Himachalis do share similarities with many Paksitani populations. Of course, there are also plenty of people they have nothing to do with , such as Sindhis and Balochis.
Here are some examples of Himachali people.

I hope I was helpful

 

[TurnThyCheek]

I hope I was helpful

You were thank you, what do you know about a town called Chamba and its people its history etc?

 

[UnitedPak]

Its a fringe region which is also influenced by Tibetan/Nepali culture, same as Ladakh and Baltistan so geographically, yes, these lands are part of the Indus basin. However, culturally speaking, I don't see many similarities with the core Indus regions of Sindh, Punjab/north Pak and Kashmir valley, other than what you can expect from any neighboring lands.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Does the region of Himachal Pradesh count as part of the Indus region? Are its people related to the people of Punjab and Sindh?

It appears that most of HP falls within Indus basin and formed the erstwhile British Punjab which included Pak Punjab, Indian Punjab, HP, Haryana.

So Himachal Pradesh's people are related to the people of modern Pakistan?

Its a fringe region which is also influenced by Tibetan/Nepali culture, same as Ladakh and Baltistan so geographically, yes, these lands are part of the Indus basin. However, culturally speaking, I don't see many similarities with the core Indus regions of Sindh, Punjab/north Pak and Kashmir valley, other than what you can expect from any neighboring lands.

WHATEVER BE THE CASE HIMACHALIS ARE FIERCELY PRO-INDIA AND PATRIOTIC. THEY CONTRIBUTE GREATLY TO THE INDIAN ARMY. HIMACHAL PRADESH IS ONE OF THE MOST PEACEFUL REGIONS IN SOUTH ASIA.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Its a fringe region which is also influenced by Tibetan/Nepali culture, same as Ladakh and Baltistan so geographically, yes, these lands are part of the Indus basin. However, culturally speaking, I don't see many similarities with the core Indus regions of Sindh, Punjab/north Pak and Kashmir valley, other than what you can expect from any neighboring lands.

No similarities with Sindh, but pretty similar to the Kashmir Valley. Like Kashmir, Himachal has a significant Paharai population. There are even some parts of North Himachal where people do speak Kashmiri dialects. Overall, the native culture of Himachal are Paharis, like Uttarakhsnd, Nepal, and parts of Kashmir. However, it has been heavily influenced by Tibetans and Rajputs(Dogras). Also Remember that Geography influences culture, so even ethnic differences will mean there are cultural similarities with other Mountainous regions(Such as Kashmir, Ladakh, and GB).

As for Punjab, overall not too many similarities, but Himachal was once part of Punjab, so there are some left over from that era. Punjabi is actually the second most spoken language in the state if you count the Himachali languages as Hindi(which the Indian Censes does, although I do not agree). And of course, I have heard Pakistan Punjab has a significant Pahari population as well.

As I have said, I have travelled extensively throughout the Himalayan parts of India(Himachal and Uttarakhand) and I know the culture and demography of those regions pretty well.

WHATEVER BE THE CASE HIMACHALIS ARE FIERCELY PRO-INDIA AND PATRIOTIC. THEY CONTRIBUTE GREATLY TO THE INDIAN ARMY. HIMACHAL PRADESH IS ONE OF THE MOST PEACEFUL REGIONS IN SOUTH ASIA.

Completely agree with you there.

 

[Hamza913]

And of course, I have heard Pakistan Punjab has a significant Pahari population as well

Yeah but aren't they completely different ethnic groups? I thought they just happened to share a common name.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Yeah but aren't they completely different ethnic groups? I thought they just happened to share a common name.

To be honest, I am not entirely sure about that. I have seen large debates on this forum about how Punjabi Paharis are classified, and it seems to be hotly contested. My point was there is some small connection between Himachal and Punjab, And that mountain areas of the region will share similarities in culture Pakistan Punjab actually borders himachal, and I am sure it has a lot of mountaneous areas, so I am sure there has to be some similarity between Punjabi and Himachali Paharis.

 

[Hamza913]

To be honest, I am not entirely sure about that. I have seen large debates on this forum about how Punjabi Paharis are classified, and it seems to be hotly contested. My point was there is some small connection between Himachal and Punjab, And that mountain areas of the region will share similarities in culture Pakistan Punjab actually borders himachal, and I am sure it has a lot of mountaneous areas, so I am sure there has to be some similarity between Punjabi and Himachali Paharis.

There doesn't seem to be any, they just share a common name by chance.