Documentary-Diaoyu Islands - The Truth

[Aepsilons]

The integration of Tibet and Xinjiang were justifiable, the annexation of Ryukyu come from pure expansionist greed. Those islands are not even worth a month's trade with China (both sides of the straits) so I'm sure the Japanese government will think twice about provocative moves.

quid pro quo.

 

[TheTruth]

quid pro quo.

China doesn't need any country in particular, and Japan makes enormous profits off of exports to China. China is the regional trade hub and the largest regional market, particularly for Japanese goods. Believe me, we'll be just fine with a temporary freeze in trade relations.

The Diaoyu Islands were absolutely not terra nullius, but annexed as a part of Japanese designs on Taiwan. You can only argue otherwise by extreme intellectual dishonesty. Keep in mind China does not really need the gas or fisheries resources nearby as they're sitting on enough to last them a long time ... but really, Japanese claims show nothing but a total lack of repentance for the irreparable harm you've done to all of your neighbors. Including the Okinawan people.

 

[Tractor]

Japan is not China's enemy and the garbage islands Diaoyu(Senkaku) are not worth to be the rivalry stinger.

 

[Aepsilons]

Seriously, i think China can make do without some tiny little uninhabited islands. China is a continental state with a vast land mass of 3.7 million square miles.

The Senkakus are only 7 kilometers (roughly 1700 acres). Is it really worth contending and jeopardizing our bilateral relations for 5 small islands and 3 rocks?

What both countries can do is go ahead with the joint exploration and development of the Chunxiao gas field like what we both had agreed to back in 2008,

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Japan is not China's enemy and the garbage islands Diaoyu(Senkaku) are not worth to be the rivalry stinger.

It is part of our territorial sovereignty, and it doesn't matter if this tiny island is garbage or not.

Japan has changed the status quo since April 2012, so they have to pay for provoking China's territorial sovereignty.

 

[Aepsilons]

It is part of our territorial sovereignty, and it doesn't matter if this tiny island is garbage or not.

Japan has changed the status quo since April 2012, so they have to pay for provoking China's territorial sovereignty.

The status quo wasn't changed since even before the islands were nationalized, it was already occupied and administered by the JSDF and JCG. Nevertheless. Hopefully we can find an easy roundabout through this.

Honestly, both sides can go on ad infinitum about each others' claims and historical vantage point , but that's no way to solve this minor disagreement. Perhaps in the future when relations mature more options for joint design will arise.

 

[Tractor]

It is part of our territorial sovereignty, and it doesn't matter if this tiny island is garbage or not.

Japan has changed the status quo since April 2012, so they have to pay for provoking China's territorial sovereignty.

Then why chinese only notice these tiny islands and neglect the much more huge territory southwestward which under other country's control.

 

[Genesis]

As I said the Senkakus were officially merged to the Japanese Empire even before the 1st Sino Japanese War. We cannot return territory that we did not conquer from China since the islands were considered Terra Nulius.

Senkaku Shoto are this innate territory of Japan; now and for time immemorial. Until the pebbles turn to boulders covered in moss.




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no it isn't, Tokugawa Shogun was known as a closed off government, you didn't administer it, and you had no navy then either.

Whether these islands were in fact Chinese or Japanese is debatable, but what isn't debatable is, if all your response is, it's ours and that's that, you better be far stronger than us, except you are not. That's not your fault, more your ancestors who didn't leave you a real empire like ours did.

However it does complicate it for you. Dialog is needed, Japan need to compromise, it may not have to be giving up the islands, but you better not put your ADIZ right next to our shores. Tell me this isn't crazy.

You do know Japanese government is revising the text books to officially make the Korean held whatever islands a Japanese possession right. So, we are not the only ones doing this.

As to 9/10th of the law, Japan better back us up in SCS then, cause we possess 75%+ of all land mass there.

Seriously, i think China can make do without some tiny little uninhabited islands. China is a continental state with a vast land mass of 3.7 million square miles.

The Senkakus are only 7 kilometers (roughly 1700 acres). Is it really worth contending and jeopardizing our bilateral relations for 5 small islands and 3 rocks?

What both countries can do is go ahead with the joint exploration and development of the Chunxiao gas field like what we both had agreed to back in 2008,

Japan changed the status quo by buying the islands, what was China suppose to do, just take it and say nothing? Would you?

Also, why is it always us who needs to watch the economic impact, does Japan and the US have some magical creature protecting it from fall out? It goes both ways.

Again, you may be nationalistic, but I don't think you are stupid, do you really think at this point, no compromise would solve the problem. Are we just going to forget about it?

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Japan is not China's enemy and the garbage islands Diaoyu(Senkaku) are not worth to be the rivalry stinger.

Thats right. There are strong pro China faction in Japan for example PM Hatoyama called for union with China, making USA fumed.

The time China and Japan fight over Diaoyu (Senkaku), the white man will stand to gain.

The strategy is to drag on, not to fight with Japan, meanwhile bid for time. When China become stronger and USA weaker, so will pro USA faction in Japan.

 

[Huaren]

Japan is not China's enemy and the garbage islands Diaoyu(Senkaku) are not worth to be the rivalry stinger.

Thats exactly the attitude how china was being taken advantage of, even by those who are weaker. I would prefer to be a big menace than to give up our territories and strategic ground in order to be "friendly". China have been mostly inactive for the last few decades and the unresolved matters didnt work out, maybe its time to be bit more "friendly" in american style.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The status quo wasn't changed since even before the islands were nationalized, it was already occupied and administered by the JSDF and JCG. Nevertheless. Hopefully we can find an easy roundabout through this.

Honestly, both sides can go on ad infinitum about each others' claims and historical vantage point , but that's no way to solve this minor disagreement. Perhaps in the future when relations mature more options for joint design will arise.

We know you guy had fully controlled the Diaoyu Island before 2012.

Since you guys have highlighted this island by the nationalization, so this is definitely a gesture of territorial provocation.

You cannot accept that China has just surpassed you in the GDP since 2010, and we also know that the submission won't come without a fight.

Diaoyu Island is just symbolic, but the reality is that Japan is asking a rematch from China.

 

[Aepsilons]

Then why chinese only notice these tiny islands and neglect the much more huge territory southwestward which under other country's control.

For goodness sakes ! A Chinese person who can at least see the Japanese side and think practically ! Honestly, I will admit that the Senkaku Shoto are devoid of natural resources. The logistical importance of the Senkaku to Japan is that it can be used by fishermen during inclement weather to find safety. I can understand the contest if say the islands had resources like if it had oil, gold, iron, coal, or had even trees and fertile land. But it doesn't.

And Japan has no intention of 'developing' the islands for defense purposes. It is to remain as is.

We know you guy had fully controlled the Diaoyu Island before 2012.

Since you guys have highlighted this island by the nationalization, so this is definitely a gesture of territorial provocation.

You cannot accept that China has just surpassed you in the GDP since 2010, and we also know that the submission won't come without a fight.

The content of what you just posted has nothing to do with the issue. Just hot air.

Diaoyu Island is just symbolic, but the reality is that Japan is asking a rematch from China.

Japan asking for a rematch with China? hahaha, oh oh okay, now i heard everything. lol.

Observe the intergovernmentalism between Tokyo and Beijing the past 10 years (irrespective of Senkaku disagreement), observe the nearly $400 Billion bilateral trade between Japan and China (yes, close to half a trillion dollars a year; the largest volume of trade in the whole of Asia). Observe the over 4500 Japanese corporations in China; vested in bilateral growth.

And you actually believe Japan wants a 'rematch' with China? Our largest trading partner? LOL!

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Japan asking for a rematch with China? hahaha, oh oh okay, now i heard everything. lol.

Observe the intergovernmentalism between Tokyo and Beijing the past 10 years (irrespective of Senkaku disagreement), observe the nearly $400 Billion bilateral trade between Japan and China (yes, close to half a trillion dollars a year; the largest volume of trade in the whole of Asia). Observe the over 4500 Japanese corporations in China; vested in bilateral growth.

And you actually believe Japan wants a 'rematch' with China? Our largest trading partner? LOL!

Your right-wing hothead politicians are asking for a rematch, since in their stubborn mind, they can only accept the US superiority, but they can never accept a China rising above Japan.

 

[Huaren]

We know you guy had fully controlled the Diaoyu Island before 2012.

Since you guys have highlighted this island by the nationalization, so this is definitely a gesture of territorial provocation.

You cannot accept that China has just surpassed you in the GDP since 2010, and we also know that the submission won't come without a fight.

Diaoyu Island is just symbolic, but the reality is that Japan is asking a rematch from China.

For Japan it should be better to fight sooner than later, as which is the case for China, When facing an enemy like Japan who is stuck in stagnation and with so many older people increasing in the propotion at such high speed, fighting later would be easier but with less meaning, dont really want to hear that we beat our enemy because the men they got left were simply too few/ too old / too delusional (otakus).

 

[Aepsilons]

Thats right. There are strong pro China faction in Japan for example PM Hatoyama called for union with China, making USA fumed.

The time China and Japan fight over Diaoyu (Senkaku), the white man will stand to gain.

The strategy is to drag on, not to fight with Japan, meanwhile bid for time. When China become stronger and USA weaker, so will pro USA faction in Japan.

You're right. There is a growing trend of pro-China politicians in the Government. Why even the Crown Prince of Japan, His Imperial Highness Prince Naruhito is known for his Pro-China opinions. When his father, Emperor Akihito, passes away, when Naruhito ascends the Chrysanthemum Throne , we will have an Emperor that has a strong pro-China position.

HIH Prince Naruhito, future Emperor of Japan.

Your right-wing hothead politicians are asking for a rematch, since paranoid their mind, they can only accept the US superiority, but they can never accept a China rising above Japan.

Propagandistic jargon. Your understanding of Japanese Politics is too simplistic. Caution you to read more into Japanese Political Economy.