Doctor creates world's first protection makeup from acid attack

[El Sidd]

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[Vortex]

Well if you had taken the time to study something called education which your Creator sent down to you, you won't be asking these questions.
But since you are missing on that.
Let me help you with some education from psychological perspective.

Civilizations are all based on rule of law. Where there is law, everyone falls in place, where there is no law, there is nothing but chaos.
And when the punishment is easy and does not create an idea of "fear", its never going to be enough because an asshole would still go rape 10 women because he knows all he's gonna get is imprisonment, and for low life assholes, imprisonment ain't too hard to go through.
And why should we waste our resources on criminals by keeping them on public money and feeding them?

There are people who are strong enough to control their animal soul and lead with kindness and love. And then there are animals who are lead by their animal soul which is anger and sensuality.

You simply can;t control wild beasts without teaching them the idea of fear. When was the last time some one captured a mature lion from the forest and taught them obedience by holding them in a cage?
Chop some one's hand off the next time they steal something. Then see who else dares to follow?

Yes all measures should be taken to prevent this from happening in the first place. However such harsh steps need to be taken to set an example to put the fear in those contemplating such a thing. U drown the first wave, second wave, and third wave of ppl who have thrown acid at ppl...in acid...and televise it live as their bodies melt away...soon no one will dare to do it.

I know it sounds barbaric...and I used to think like that too that we r not animals...we r surely better. However it seems to be the only way. The victim's whole life is ruined after they have acid thrown in their face. The physical scars are just as permanent as the psychological scars.

Psychologically humans form their identity with the image of their face(not any other body part). U see ur reflection and know it's u, u see urself in pictures and know it's u...once that's gone(disfigured) u forever carry with urself a reminder of what once was...and what happened. Ur self esteem goes down the drain...ppl's stares sting(even if they didn't mean it as such), ur social life takes a heavy toll, etc. It's a reality that one hardly ever accepts...forever yearning to be able to get back what once was.

The perpetrators usually get jail time? At worst life in prison? That's not justice. The only acceptable solution to a crime such heinous is to have no such crime in the first place. Those who choose to go down that road need to know what horror awaits...and if they are wise they will shun all thoughts of going through with such a thing.

Does severity means cruelity ? Aren't humans react like bacteria in contact with antibiotics, i mean after a period if time of use, bacteria become antibiotics resistant ? Wiuld we need to create more cruel punishment ?

 

[Cookie Monster]

Does severity means cruelity ? Aren't humans react like bacteria in contact with antibiotics, i mean after a period if time of use, bacteria become antibiotics resistant ? Wiuld we need to create more cruel punishment ?

I never argued whether cruelty means severity or not when it comes to punishment.

My main point is fear. There are only two things that keep ppl in line...
1) they stay in line by their own choice
2) they want to get out of line but choose not to...fearing the consequences

So in case of a crime like throwing acid at someone. Under reasoning number one...there will be ppl who will choose to stay in line, as in they will never throw acid at someone. Others will be forced to keep in line due to fear.

Now coming back to cruelty and severity u talked about...if u could strike fear in the hearts of ppl just by something as simple as saying "boo" then by all means that should be the punishment...but surely that's not the case. Only severe and harsh punishments strike fear in ppl's hearts.

As for u saying ppl will slowly become immune to it...that's simply not true. Torture has been around for thousands of years...and it's still just as scary, cruel, painful as it must've been to the very first humans who might've gone through it. The only way one might develop some resistance to torture is if he/she was subjected to torture for an extended period of time. However it still doesn't mean that u can't physically hurt them anymore.

I would much rather want to live in a world where no crime happens and everyone gets along(a utopia). Unfortunately I can't just wish it and make it happen. I'm not arguing for severe punishment bcuz I feel like that's how it should be but bcuz that's how it has to be. It's a last resort bcuz there seems to be no end to things as barbaric as throwing acid at someone. Not too long ago I read news about a lady(student) who was raped and then her head was smashed with a giant rock that took more than one man to lift. We've(the society...collectively) been trying the humane punishments...bcuz we r "better"...they are simply not working.

 

[Vortex]

@Cookie Monster

I got your point about fear. that should not go to the level of throwing acid on guy who used acid against someone. We should throw it in extrem condition jail for all its life, without possibility of doctor, family, etc visits, no ac, no heater, just one meal a day.... it will be littl bit expensive, but i do not want see more people affected by acid.

 

[Cookie Monster]

@Cookie Monster

I got your point about fear. that should not go to the level of throwing acid on guy who used acid against someone. We should throw it in extrem condition jail for all its life, without possibility of doctor, family, etc visits, no ac, no heater, just one meal a day.... it will be littl bit expensive, but i do not want see more people affected by acid.

Right I get u...that's also a punishment...a severe one too. The difference here is that it's not scary until u r living in those conditions. Take for example a middle class or above person...he/she knows that the life of the extremely poor(facing starvation) is terrible and they are glad that they r fortunate enough to not face those circumstances. However for the most part they go on and get busy with their daily lives...and don't give it much thought until it comes up...it's just somewhere in the back of their mind.

Just like that...the thought of spending ur life in a miserable way in some jail...it's scary...but it doesn't leave the kind of impact that would have u shivering in ur boots. My suggestion was not throwing acid at the perpetrator...but melting that criminal in acid...like dropping them alive in a large(see through) container of acid...and televising it. Then the head of the police department gives a brief speech saying that would be the punishment for those who throw acid at each other.

This would strike fear in the hearts...it will leave an impact on the minds almost like that of PTSD. Even a law abiding citizen who has done no wrong in his life might have nightmares about it for a few days. This is the kind of fear that will give pause to someone considering throwing acid at another person. That pause...is where they will consider whether or not it's worth it for them to go through with this act...knowing what horrors await. In that case unless that person is completely psychopathic, he would turn away. Most of the ppl who throw acid are usually ex boyfriends of some girl or some guy who is angry bcuz the girl didn't reciprocate his feelings for her or something. These ppl would most likely weigh the options and find it's not worth it for them to get melted alive in acid and find another non lethal way to express anger.

I'm not dead set on this punishment. I'm sure there can be alternatives that might accomplish the task of instilling the same insane amounts of fear in ppl...but u get the point. There are those who will stay in line without any coercion...those who wouldn't must be kept in line through extreme fear to keep peace in a society.

 

[Vortex]

@Cookie Monster

I agree with the requirement of "fear". But...

Think about it / Please no offense, it is an example only :

Imagine I'm a bad guy trying having an affair with your sister and she reject me. Then to revenge, i throw acid on her and kill her (May Allah protect your beloved, and protect me against this kind of act) and tell everyone you did it. And everyone believe me even the court. So you "bye bye". But 10 years later I reveal that I did it.

At the end you received a punishment you shouldn't have and maybe I will whn i reveal the truth.

At least if you were in "Xtrem" Jail, you could have freed and "compensated" for the years you spend farfrom your beloved. Imagine now you were not in Xtrem Jail, but in "normal" jail with 3 healthy meals, doctors visits etc.

You know in Pakistan especially but also everywhere, fake acusations, fake witnesses, fake everything, you could imagine in which jahanam we will live.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

@Cookie Monster

I agree with the requirement of "fear". But...

Think about it / Please no offense, it is an example only :

Imagine I'm a bad guy trying having an affair with your sister and she reject me. Then to revenge, i throw acid on her and kill her (May Allah protect your beloved, and protect me against this kind of act) and tell everyone you did it. And everyone believe me even the court. So you "bye bye". But 10 years later I reveal that I did it.

At the end you received a punishment you shouldn't have and maybe I will whn i reveal the truth.

At least if you were in "Xtrem" Jail, you could have freed and "compensated" for the years you spend farfrom your beloved. Imagine now you were not in Xtrem Jail, but in "normal" jail with 3 healthy meals, doctors visits etc.

You know in Pakistan especially but also everywhere, fake acusations, fake witnesses, fake everything, you could imagine in which jahanam we will live.

Justice is not perfect and there is always a chance that an innocent person will be falsely punished.

Our job is not to decide innocent or guilty per say, but to use our rationality and knowledge of law to come as close to the truth as possible.

Reminds me of the Hadith of when an adulteress was stoned and a Sahabah got some of her blood on him. To this he said something like “this filthy blood.” At this the prophet saws told them this woman is of paradise and Allah swt has forgiven her.

However the law still had to be carried out according to our fiqh.

 

[Cookie Monster]

@Cookie Monster

I agree with the requirement of "fear". But...

Think about it / Please no offense, it is an example only :

Imagine I'm a bad guy trying having an affair with your sister and she reject me. Then to revenge, i throw acid on her and kill her (May Allah protect your beloved, and protect me against this kind of act) and tell everyone you did it. And everyone believe me even the court. So you "bye bye". But 10 years later I reveal that I did it.

At the end you received a punishment you shouldn't have and maybe I will whn i reveal the truth.

At least if you were in "Xtrem" Jail, you could have freed and "compensated" for the years you spend farfrom your beloved. Imagine now you were not in Xtrem Jail, but in "normal" jail with 3 healthy meals, doctors visits etc.

You know in Pakistan especially but also everywhere, fake acusations, fake witnesses, fake everything, you could imagine in which jahanam we will live.

When I said the extreme punishment will be for the perpetrators of the crime I meant that it will be for the perpetrators of the crime. At this point it's obviously assumed that the court/police/and other relevant departments have done their due process to prove the crime.

As for fake evidence, fake witnesses, etc...again we r talking a "theoretical scenario" here. A world that is not...but a world that should be. In that world before u enforce extreme punishment, u must address ALL THAT IS NEEDED. Let me explain what I mean by that.

I assume u r aware that in KSA the punishment for stealing is cutting the hand off. This would be considered an extreme punishment that accomplishes the task of fear...however while I'm in favor of punishments that strike fear...I would say that it shouldn't be implemented in Pakistan. The reason is the circumstances. A lot of ppl can be forced by their circumstances to have to steal. If they r doing economically so bad that it's either risk getting their hand cut off or starve to death then the choice is simple. In this case we will have a whole bunch of handless men in the society while theft will continue to exist...and hence the punishment(while still striking fear) will be useless. In this case before one can implement this extreme punishment...one must do first do ALL THAT IS NEEDED to leave no reasons for anyone to steal. As in improve the economy, make basic education up until high school free(so ppl can be better qualified), create more jobs, create a more fair system that considers qualification rather than "sifarish", and a welfare system(to catch anyone that falls through, like if someone got laid off bcuz the business where he worked closed down), etc. Once the whole system has been improved and run like that for decades to the point that no one remains in an economic condition to be forced in such circumstances where the risk of having hand cut off is more acceptable. Once theft is a choice...for example some woman of lower middle class stealing a gold necklace of a rich woman...bcuz she liked it and wanted to have the same. In this case that's just plain greed. Once we have this kind of a society where theft is done not to fulfill NEEDS but to fulfill our WANTS...then this punishment of cutting off the hand should be introduced. Then it will be effective in achieving its purpose.

Just like that in case of the extreme punishment for throwing acid...it would make no sense to be punishing falsely accused ppl. In that case too it is assumed that first ALL THATS NEEDED must be done. As in more and more cameras in more public places, a thorough investigation for each case, etc. If there's video footage of the incident showing the perpetrators in the act of crime then that's solid proof.
If instead there are witnesses...then the witnesses must know that if they are found to be falsely making up their statements for whatever reason...and the wrong person gets convicted...they will share the same fate once they r found out.
A person should only be declared guilty of a crime once the evidence is CLEAR and no doubt remains.

So in conclusion, I'm only advocating harsh/fear striking punishments in a theoretical manner...that assumes that the underlying causes have been corrected. A world where any sort of a crime is a choice that's not worth the punishment that follows.