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Do you think Pakistan as a nation underachieved to its true potential?

Do you think Pakistan as a nation underachieved to its potential?

  • Yes but I am strongly optimistic about future.

    Votes: 22 37.9%
  • Yes but situation going to stay as it is difficult to rectify.

    Votes: 28 48.3%
  • No its achieved up to its potential.

    Votes: 3 5.2%
  • No but it actually overachieved against all odds.

    Votes: 5 8.6%

  • Total voters
    58
Cardsharp, i doubt he has anything related to Chinese as he claim, he is on a mission to troll to defame Chinese as a so-called half Asian as a selling point, you should know better its the cyber world after all.
Don't fall for his trap, edit your post, it ain't worth it.:cheers::china:

Good point, I've edited the quote in my post as well.
 
Cardsharp, i doubt he has anything related to Chinese as he claim, he is on a mission to troll to defame Chinese as a so-called half Asian as a selling point, you should know better its the cyber world after all.
Don't fall for his trap, edit your post, it ain't worth it.:cheers::china:

Thanks, rarely do I lose my temper, but I just completely lost it there.

and thanks Chinese-dragon for writing a cleaned version for me to cut and paste.
 
Fair enough sir.



Hi,

It takes a lots of courage to say what you just said and did---I am surprised and I am proud of you. Thankyou.

Pakistani needs to find the pakistan of their dreams in their hearts and souls and pakistan needs to find the pakistani caring and nurturing---a paklistani who can identifty with pakistan first and foremost.

Pakistani needs to change his mentality and ideology---he cannot go running across the border to fight someone else's wars---he can't display hate over someone's else's issues---once the pakistani start to set his priorities straight, then it can say---I have taken the first step to find my true virtue.

The problem over here is that no able bodied pakistani has any clue as to how to direct and lead the young men and women---they themselves are lost and need guidance.

The nations has self esteem issues---people don't want to identify themselevs as to who they are---when everybody is from somewhere else---then who is going to be for pakistan. Everbody is looking for a Jinnah and Iqbal---they all are looking for a mystic creature who will come swooping down and fix all the problems of the land like magic.

When the people, at first start to realize that it is going to be them who are going to bring the change---that is when the change will happen.

And it always falls on the shoulders of the rich and well off to lead the nation and set the standards by their examples to get the nation going.
 
Chinese brothers thank you so much four your worthwhile addition to this post it is heart-warming to see your genuine interest and care for Pakistan. Sadly what is disappointing is Pakistani apologetic nature because they either don't have data or information to rebuke or just have submitted to the fact that Pakistan "is what it is".

I am one of those who passionately believe Pakistan can, will and SHOULD do a LOT more and will do a lot more. What is even more disappointing is that no one on this forum highlights the positive work of Pakistanis in the fields of science and Technology such as:

Robotics:
Pakistani robot participated in RoboCup 2009 for the first time in the competition’s history. The robot, named Saviour, was developed by a team of students from Ghulam Ishaq Khan Institute of Engineering Sciences and Technology (GIKI). Saviour is a rescue robot designed to find survivors in a disaster situation.

Robo cup is an international competition whose participants, as the name suggests, are robots. The main focus of the competition is RoboCup Soccer, which consists of teams of robots playing soccer. However, the contest also includes other competitions including RoboCup Rescue and Robot Dancing.
RoboCupTM is an international research and education initiative. Its goal is to foster artificial intelligence and robotics research by providing a standard problem where a wide range of technologies can be examined and integrated. : Pakistani Rescue Robot Participates in Robocup | STEP - Science, Technology, and Education in Pakistan


Information Technology:

Pakistani university NUST is leading the way in Designing "Super Speed USB 3.0" under the project titled: Design and Verification of Low-Power, High-Speed IP Suite for Universal Serial Bus (USB 3.0) : Group for Research in Reconfigurable Architectures for Security in Communication in CEFAR

Other PhD students in Pakistan have undertaken research in projects ranging from:

GSM Interception: By analyzing the weakness in the protocols, GSM communications can be intercepted. The attack will be done based on the security flaws of the GSM protocols, and they work whenever GSM supports a weak cipher. These attacks could be practical because they don’t require any knowledge of the content of the conversation. These attacks will provide the facility to tap conversations and then decrypts them either in real time or later time. Here the attack is passive in nature that is, the conversation would be eavesdropped and then decryption would be done. Based upon the flaws and weakness in the protocols that GSM support, communication will be cracked. Here attack is only possible because the error correction codes are employed before the encryption. Thus due to such structured redundancy before encryption majorly reduces the security of the system.

Government agencies use GSM interceptors to capture communication between criminal groups for security purposes. However these interceptors are very expensive. We aim at developing an interceptor which will basically be much cheaper then the ones already made.


NUST Students have designed a new, cost effective RFID Tag which is being trailed by 3M USA for possible purchase.

Additional Reading: NUST-SEECS (NUST School of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science) about NUST-SEECS

It infuriates me when people talk about Pakistan and the fields of science and technology they say "Pakistan has never produced any scientists or researchers"... We have produced some of the world's best:


Physics:

Dr Abd-us-Salam

Theoretical physicist and Nobel laureate in Science, Dr Abd-us-Salam was born on January 29, 1926 in District Jhang. It was his work in Electro-Weak Theory which brought him the coveted Noble Prize in 1979. The accuracy of his theory was determined through experiments carried out at the Super Proton Synchrotron facility at CERN in Geneva. Dr Salam served as Advisor to Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission and was also honoured with Smith Award from Cambridge University. As the acknowledgement of his legendary services, the Government of Pakistan issued a stamp with Dr Salam’s picture in 1998. He passed away at the age of 70.

Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood

The inventor of SBM probe (instrument to check heavy water leaks in nuclear power plants which is still used world wide) and one of the key engineers of Pakistan nuclear programme, Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood closely worked with Dr AQ Khan. He was the first Project Director of the Pakistan Nuclear Bomb Programme at Kahuta Research Labs.

Mahmood got his Master’s degree in Nuclear Engineering from Manchester. He has written over 15 books. He was awarded Sitara-e-Imtiaz for his work.



Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy

UNESCO Award, Baker Award for Electronics (1968), Dr Abdul Salam Award (1984), Fulbright Award, and Faiz Ahmad Faiz Award is the introduction of Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy. Ph.D in nuclear Physics, Dr Pervez has been a faculty member of the Department of Physics, Quaid-e-Azam University, Islamabad, since 1973. He has produced different documentaries on science and on critical educational issues. He has authored four books on science and religion. More than 20 US campuses including MIT, Princeton, University of Maryland, and Johns Hopkins University engaged him as speaker. Being an analyst, Dr Pervez has appeared on several TV and radio networks including BBC, CNN, NBS and Fox.

Chemistry:

Professor Dr Atta ur Rehman

Ex-chairman of Higher Education Commission of Pakistan and Director of H.E.J. (Hussain Ebrahim Jamal) Research Institute of Chemistry at University of Karachi, Dr Atta ur Rehman is another glittering star in the galaxy of Pakistani Scientists. After doing A’ levels in 1960, Dr Atta did B.Sc. (Hons.) in Chemistry followed by M.Sc in Organic Chemistry from University of Karachi. For Ph.D in Organic Chemistry this gem of Pakistan won the Commonwealth Scholarship in 1965 and also did Ph.D from King’s College, Cambridge in 1968. Afterward, he was awarded Doctorate of Science by University of Cambridge in 1987 and Doctorate of Education by Coventry University, UK in 2007.


Dr Atta was the first Muslim scientist to receive the UNESCO Science Prize (1999). He has also been editor–in–chief of numerous international journals and editor of an encyclopedic series of books on natural product chemistry, being published since 1990. He remained Fellow at Kings College, Cambridge during 1969 to 1973. As an acknowledgment of his prestigious services in Organic Chemistry, Dr Attar ur Rehman was conferred Nishan-e-Imtiaz, Hilal-e-Imtiaz, Sitara-e-Imtiaz and Tamgha-e-Imtiaz in 2002, 1998, 1991 and 1983 respectively. Besides, he also has been bestowed Prime Minister’s Gold Medal and Pakistan Academy of Sciences-INFAQ Foundation Prize in Science in 1995.


Computer Engineering:

Dr Adnan Zaidi

Dual Ph.D from New York, Dr Zaidi was born in 1973. After receiving post-doctorate training and post-doctoral Award from Harvard University he is currently serving as a research scientist at an American University in Washington DC. Being a project director and associate for research and development at IBM, Microsoft, Boeing and Siemens, he has conducted various projects at these organisations. Dr Adnan has done extraordinarily well in cryptology (coding-decoding techniques), nanophotonics, power systems and power electronics research. He is the author of 34 papers and 19 articles. Owing to his tremendous achievements, this great scientist is renowned in the community of learned scholars and scientists in the United States, Europe and South Asia.

Zoology:

Dr Ahmed Mohiuddin

An eminent scientist, scholar and researcher of Pakistan, Dr Ahmed Mohiuddin was born on January 8, 1923 in Hyderabad Deccan (India). Having done M.Sc. in Biology from Osmania University and Ph.D in Zoology from University of London, Dr Ahmed migrated to Pakistan in November 1948. Few years after his arrival in Pakistan, he was appointed Chairman of the Zoology Department at Sindh University, Jamshoro. He also rendered his services at Quaid-e-Azam and Allama Iqbal Open University as Vice Chancellor. From 1986 to 1988 he served at East West University, Chicago as well.


He authored 37 books on science and research, and was the originator of the Pakistan Zoological Society. He was also awarded Fellowship from Pakistan Academy of Sciences and Royal Society of Tropical Medicine. He died on January 4, 1998 in Atlanta, USA.Eminent scientist in the field of Social Sciences

Engineering:

Asad Ali Abidi

UCLA (University of California, Los Angles) HSSEAS Lockheed Martin Award, IEEE Donald O. Pederson Award, IEEE Third Millennium Medal, Contest Award at the Design Automation Conference, ISSCC Jack Raper Outstanding Technology Directions Paper Award, IEEE Donald G. Fink Prize Award, Best Paper Award of the 21st European Solid State Circuits Conference and TRW Award for Innovative Teaching is the foreword for Asad Ali Abidi. Abidi is a Pakistani electrical engineer and scientist and dean of LUMS’ School of Science and Engineering. He received his B.Sc. degree from the Imperial College, London, U.K., in 1976, and M.S. and Ph.D degrees in electrical engineering from the University of California at Berkeley in 1978 and 1981 respectively. He is an IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, USA) Fellow and a member of the United States National Academy of Engineering (NAE).


Pakistani Patents, since 2005:
IPO Pakistan - Patents - Gazette

Policy Based Research: LUMS (Development Policy Research Centre) are leading the way in policy based research:
DPRC - School of Humanities, Social Sciences and Law, LUMS

All these achievements of our heroes revitalise our energies. In fact, in the present scenario when our country is going through a tumultuous period where we have rarely anything to be proud of, knowing about the accomplishments give us hope. Their achievements encourage our young scientists to follow in the footsteps of the legends. As Allama Iqbal rightly says: “Zara num ho tou ya matee bohat zarqez hai saqee”

We should never apologise for Pakistan, it is our nation, we are proud of every little grain of sand on this blessed soil. To all those who agree with the OP or another “naysayer’s” here I ask you, why should we apologise? Why should we submit?

Look Pakistanis look, there is still hope, look at all the good in Pakistan. Sure we have fallen on hard times, but is Pakistan not your family. Tell me would you abandon your mother or father if they were poor or sick? Would you apologies for them?

We earn our own bread, we live in our own houses. We are our own men… We have nothing to apologies for, nor anything to submit to. Discussion is one thing, but to sit down with our heads sunken… That is weakness.

Pakistan Zindabad
 
is there anybody mastered in ethics ..........we have lost courage n morale , thats wat knowledge has given us .
 
Hmm.... some very passionate replies to my post, which in all honesty was made with giving some outsider's perspective to Pakistani members.

I am not going to delve into the debate about my Chinese ancestry or my authority to speak on behalf of 1.4 Billion Chinese- I speak only on the basis of personal experience and that of my family members. Maybe my experience is somewhat limited compared to some other members here, and I am happy to be educated on this. I always keep an open mind about things.

To one poster who questioned my ability to understand the South Asian Psyche- beieve you me, when an outsider takes it upon herself to do an indepth analysis on such a subject, the views that you get are starkly different from what you would get if the same research is done by someone within the "system". The reason is the outsider's ability to see things from an unbiased perspective. Neither approach is right or wrong per se- its just that- a different approach.

what I have learned in my 5 years of study on this topic gave me enough insight into some very interesting behavious patterns of South Asians- Pakistanis, Inidans, Sri Lankans and Bangladeshis. Let me just give you one example- All four countries are poles apart in the way their people think and analyze situations, even though there is a fair degree of commonality in their ancestry and gene pool (and I am not even going into the intra country aspect as well which is a whole seperate topic :) )

If I were to generalise things (not the best thing to do, but just by way of an illustration), I would say that Pakistanis are as a rule very emotional people when it comes to approaching day to day issues, Indians on the whole tend to be calculative and do a cost benefit analysis of most things (they have a term for it- fayda); Sri Lankans are very relaxed in their approach and do not get pertubed easily and Bangladeshis are constantly fighing an inner battle on account of an identity crisis- this reflects in their attitude to situations as well.

So, my posts here are to give an unbiased perspective of the problems facing Pakistan. I do not claim to be an expert, but just one whois intrigued by this region and how the four main countries in this region are taking very different approaches tothe somewhat similar issues plaguing their society. In case my views are not welcome, then fine, i will stop posting here.

Oh- and to reiterate- I am not a man but a lady :)
 
I am not going to delve into the debate about my Chinese ancestry or my authority to speak on behalf of 1.4 Billion Chinese- I speak only on the basis of personal experience and that of my family members. Maybe my experience is somewhat limited compared to some other members here, and I am happy to be educated on this. I always keep an open mind about things.

Good. :tup: Having "conquered" a molehill that is Singapore (a rich, functional and relatively smooth-running one at that, I'll give you) does not automatically render you fit for scaling the Everest ...

We'll let that go.

To one poster who questioned my ability to understand the South Asian Psyche- beieve you me, when an outsider takes it upon herself to do an indepth analysis on such a subject, the views that you get are starkly different from what you would get if the same research is done by someone within the "system". The reason is the outsider's ability to see things from an unbiased perspective. Neither approach is right or wrong per se- its just that- a different approach.

That bit makes sense ... but I am not convinced even an in-depth tome on "South Asian economic psychology or psychological economy" replete with leg-breaking field work qualifies you for in-depth understanding of political/historical/cultural "pscychology" of the subcontinent.

But an outsider's educated perspective should be valuable to anyone - on that I have no doubt. And that's part of the reason why I lurk here ... and occasionally dispense my own take as an "outsider" on some topics.

And no one is truly an "outsider".

what I have learned in my 5 years of study on this topic gave me enough insight into some very interesting behavious patterns of South Asians- Pakistanis, Inidans, Sri Lankans and Bangladeshis. Let me just give you one example- All four countries are poles apart in the way their people think and analyze situations, even though there is a fair degree of commonality in their ancestry and gene pool (and I am not even going into the intra country aspect as well which is a whole seperate topic :) )

If I were to generalise things (not the best thing to do, but just by way of an illustration), I would say that Pakistanis are as a rule very emotional people when it comes to approaching day to day issues, Indians on the whole tend to be calculative and do a cost benefit analysis of most things (they have a term for it- fayda); Sri Lankans are very relaxed in their approach and do not get pertubed easily and Bangladeshis are constantly fighing an inner battle on account of an identity crisis- this reflects in their attitude to situations as well.

By all means share such pearls of wisdom from your field studies. I for one am here to learn. We will judge your pearls on their merit.

BTW, when you have no "pearls" to share (like yours truly), then you get judged on your "personality", which will surely not be advantageous ...

So if I offended your métis/quadroon/octoroon heritage unnecessarily, I apologize.

... In case my views are not welcome, then fine, i will stop posting here.

Surely you are a "lady" alright. Would a man or even a "boy" of any of the nationalities/ethnicities here say that?

Hold up your half of the sky, lady ... and if you don't get tired, then maybe mine half, too.

We are all guests of the supreme Webmaster and his high/middle management. Did they say something to you? If not then what's there to be "shy" about?

BTW, if you look objectively, many took umbrage mostly at a small part of your original post. Once you stand on more solid grounds, feel free to preach away! :coffee:

Furthermore, some of your "groundbreaking" observations have been made from somewhat different angles by various thoughtful Pakistani members and think tanks alike ...

And I personally have no objection even if you do work for the "CIA" ... given the quality of generic Yankee press these days, I'd like to know someone is still paying for talent ...

:thinktank:
 
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yeah pakistan and pakistani people has great potential to achieve the height of success if u see at the time of independence we hardly had any thing to survive but constant efforts of pakistanis apart from hardship and difficulties made pakistan stable and strong to some extent . this shows hw determinant pakistanis can be if they are provided with better and proper opportunities and resources

and apart from it those pakistani youngsters who leave country for better growth opportunities to foreign countries are found to be doing remarkably well in these countries they are deployed on excellent position in international firms also playing vital in progress of the economy of these countries..

they are the same pakistanis who were underutilized in pakistan but when they were given better resources and opportunity out side the country they proved their selfs and shown the world that they have great potential and they can serve their country to optimum level f there abilities are properly utilized

i personally also feel pakistan and Pakistani people never able to achive what they really deserved for. and the reasons are quite obvious.
 

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