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Do you like Mahatma Gandhi?

Do you like Mahatma Gandhi?


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I don't think he is not an INDIAN, but an attention seeking INDIAN, with a massive inferiority complex that he has to live today quoting his forEfather as a comrade of the INA just to seek the attention of other bloggers here.

I said that, based on HIS post #86

He said, he knows better than ANY Indian....what does this mean.....

He himself declared that he in not Indian......I only pointed it out....
 
I request all those who commented on this thread to study his life ..many books are available .. If i can do 10% of what he did for this shameless society than i will feel myself out of this world ..
He is a wonderful human soul ..we should feel proud about him ..
People may oppose the route he taken but no question regards his selfless dedication to social ills of his time

Don't worry, The Congress Party is maintaining his legacy quite well.......by looting India.....
 
You are mostly anti-India and pro Pakistani/Chinese.
Do i smell something fishy here?
O in the kitchen..:alcoholic:

Nope I'm Neutral I like to give the real view on pakistanis, Chinese, Indians, Bangladeshis look back at my comments and check out my profile page if you want more info, Fish smells nice.

I've been called pro India by pakistanis and chinese or pro chinese by indians or pro pakistani by indians.
 
Walia's article makes interesting revelations on MK Gandhi.

Nehru Dynasty

Harmohan Singh Walia

At the very beginning of his book, "The Nehru Dynasty", astrologer K. N. Rao mentions the names of Jawahar Lal's father and grandfather. Jawahar Lal's father was believed to be Moti Lal and Moti Lal's father was one Gangadhar Nehru. And we all know that Jawahar Lal's only daughter was Indira Priyadarshini Nehru; Kamala Nehru was her mother, who died in Switzerland of tuberculosis. She was totally against Indira's proposed marriage with Feroze. Why? No one tells us that! Now, who is this Feroze? We are told, by many that he was the son of the family grocer. The grocer supplied wines, etc. to Anand Bhavan, previously known as Ishrat Manzil, which once belonged to a Muslim lawyer named Mobarak Ali. Moti Lal was earlier an employee of Mobarak Ali. What was the family grocer's name?

One frequently hears that Rajiv Gandhi's grandfather was Pandit Nehru. But then we all know that everyone has two grandfathers, the paternal and the maternal grandfathers. In fact, the paternal grandfather is deemed to be the more important grandfather in most societies. Why is it then nowhere we find Rajiv Gandhi's paternal grandfather's name? It appears that the reason is simply this. Rajiv Gandhi's paternal grandfather was a Muslim gentleman from the Junagadh area of Gujarat. This Muslim grocer by the name of Nawab Khan had married a Parsi woman after converting her to Islam. This is the source where from the myth of Rajiv being a Parsi was derived. Rajiv's father Feroze was Feroze Khan before he married Indira, against Kamala Nehru's wishes. Feroze's mother's family name was Ghandy, often associated with Parsis and this was changed to Gandhi, sometime before his wedding with Indira, by an affidavit.

The fact of the matter is that (and this fact can be found in many writings) Indira was very lonely. Chased out of the Shantiniketan University by Guru Dev Rabindranath himself for misdemeanor, the lonely girl was all by herself, while father Jawahar was busy with politics, pretty women and illicit sex; the mother was in hospital. Feroze Khan, the grocer's son was then in England and he was quite sympathetic to Indira and soon enough she changed her religion, became a Muslim woman and married Feroze Khan in a London mosque. Nehru was not happy; Kamala was dead already or dying. The news of this marriage eventually reached Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. Gandhi urgently called Nehru and practically ordered him to ask the young man to change his name from Khan to Gandhi. It had nothing to do with change of religion, from Islam to Hinduism for instance. It was just a case of a change of name by an affidavit. And so Feroze Khan became Feroze Gandhi. The surprising thing is that the apostle of truth, the old man soon to be declared India's Mahatma and the 'Father of the Nation' didn't mention this game of his in the famous book, 'My Experiments with Truth'. Why?

When they returned to India, a mock 'Vedic marriage' was instituted for public consumption. On this subject, writes M. O. Mathai (a longtime private secretary of Nehru) in his renowned (but now suppressed by the GOI) 'Reminiscences of the Nehru Age' on page 94, second paragraph: "For some inexplicable reason, Nehru allowed the marriage to be performed according to Vedic rites in 1942. An inter-religious and inter-caste marriage under Vedic rites at that time was not valid in law. To be legal, it had to be a civil marriage.

It's a known fact that after Rajiv's birth Indira and Feroze lived separately, but they were not divorced. Feroze used to harass Nehru frequently for money and also interfere in Nehru's political activities. Nehru got fed up and left instructions not to allow him into the Prime Minister's residence Trimurthi Bhavan. Mathai writes that the death of Feroze came as a relief to Nehru and Indira. The death of Feroze in 1960 before he could consolidate his own political forces is itself a mystery. Feroze had even planned to remarry.

Those who try to keep tabs on our leaders in spite of all the suppressions and deliberate misinformation are aware of the fact that the second son of Indira (or Mrs. Feroze Khan) known as Sanjay Gandhi was not the son of Feroze. He was the son of another Moslem gentleman, Mohammad Yunus. Here, in passing, we might mention that the second son was originally named Sanjiv. It rhymed with Rajiv, the elder brother's name. When he was arrested by the British police in England and his passport impounded for having stolen a car it was changed to Sanjay. Krishna Menon was then India's High Commissioner in London. He offered to issue another passport to the felon who changed his name to Sanjay.

Incidentally, Sanjay's marriage with the Sikh girl Menaka (now they call her Maneka for Indira Gandhi found the name of Lord Indra's court dancer rather offensive!) took place quite surprisingly in Mohammad Yunus' house in New Delhi. And the marriage with Menaka who was a model (She had modeled for Bombay Dyeing wearing just a towel) was not so ordinary either. Sanjay was notorious in getting unwed young women pregnant. Menaka too was rendered pregnant by Sanjay. It was then that her father, Colonel Anand, threatened Sanjay with dire consequences if he did not marry her daughter. And that did the trick. Sanjay married Menaka. It was widely reported in Delhi at the time that Mohammad Yunus was unhappy at the marriage of Sanjay with Menaka; apparently he had wanted to get him married with a Muslim girl of his choice.

It was Mohammad Yunus who cried the most when Sanjay died in the plane accident. In Yunus' book, 'Persons, Passions & Politics' one discovers that baby Sanjay had been circumcised following Islamic custom, although the reason stated was phimosis. It was always believed that Sanjay used to blackmail Indira Gandhi and due to this she used to turn a blind eye when Sanjay Gandhi started to run the country as though it were his personal fiefdom. Was he black mailing her with the secret of who his real father was? When the news of Sanjay's death reached Indira Gandhi, the first thing she wanted to know was about the bunch of keys which Sanjay had with him.

Nehru was no less a player in producing bastards. Atleast one case is very graphically described by M. O. Mathai in his "Reminiscences of the Nehru Age", page 206. Mathai writes: "In the autumn of 1948 (India became free in 1947 and a great deal of work needed to be done) a young woman from Benares arrived in New Delhi as a sanyasin named Shraddha Mata (an assumed and not a real name). She was a Sanskrit scholar well versed in the ancient Indian scriptures and mythology. People, including MPs, thronged to her to hear her discourses. One day S. D. Upadhyaya, Nehru's old employee, brought a letter in Hindi from Shraddha Mata. Nehru gave her an interview in the PM's house. As she departed, I noticed (Mathai is speaking here) that she was young, shapely and beautiful. Meetings with her became rather frequent, mostly after Nehru finished his work at night. During one of Nehru's visits to Lucknow, Shraddha Mata turned up there, and Upadhyaya brought a letter from her as usual. Nehru sent her the reply; and she visited Nehru at midnight.

"Suddenly Shraddha Mata disappeared. In November 1949 a convent in Bangalore sent a decent looking person to Delhi with a bundle of letters. He said that a young woman from northern India arrived at the convent a few months ago and gave birth to a baby boy. She refused to divulge her name or give any particulars about herself. She left the convent as soon as she was well enough to move out but left the child behind. She however forgot to take with her a small cloth bundle in which, among other things, several letters in Hindi were found. The Mother Superior, who was a foreigner, had the letters examined, and was told they were from the Prime Minister. The person who brought the letters surrendered them. "I (Mathai) made discreet inquiries repeatedly about the boy but failed to get a clue about his whereabouts. Convents in such matters are extremely tightlipped and secretive. Had I succeeded in locating the boy, I would have adopted him. He must have grown up as a Catholic Christian blissfully ignorant of who his father was."

Coming back to Rajiv Gandhi, we all know now that he changed his so called Parsi religion to become a Catholic to marry Sania Maino of Turin, Italy. Rajiv became Roberto. His daughter's name is Bianca and son's name is Raul. Quite cleverly the same names are presented to the people of India as Priyanka and Rahul. What is amazing is the extent of our people's ignorance in such matters. The press conference that Rajiv Gandhi gave in London after taking over as prime minister of India was very informative. In this press conference, Rajiv boasted that he was NOT a Hindu but a Parsi. Mind you, speaking of the Parsi religion, he had no Parsi ancestor at all. His grandmother (father's mother) had turned Muslim after having abandoned the Parsi religion to marry Nawab Khan.

It is the western press that waged a blitz of misinformation on behalf of Rajiv. From the New York Times to the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post, the big guns raised Rajiv to heaven. The children's encyclopedias recorded that Rajiv was a qualified Mechanical Engineer from the revered University of Cambridge. No doubt US kids are among the most misinformed in the world today! The reality is that in all three years of his tenure at that University Rajiv had not passed a single examination. He had therefore to leave Cambridge without a certificate. Sonia too had the same benevolent treatment. She was stated to be a student in Cambridge. Such a description is calculated to mislead Indians. She was a student in Cambridge all right but not of the University of Cambridge but of one of those fly by night language schools where foreign students come to learn English. Sonia was working as an 'au pair' girl in Cambridge and trying to learn English at the same time.

And surprise of surprises, Rajiv was even cremated as per vedic rites in full view of India's public. This is the Nehru dynasty that India worships and now an Italian leads a prestigious national party because of just one qualification - being married into the Nehru family. Maneka Gandhi itself is being accepted by the non-Congress parties not because she was a former model or an animal lover, but for her links to the Nehru family. Saying that an Italian should not lead India will amount to narrow mindedness, but if Sania Maino (Sonia) had served India like say Mother Teresa or Annie Besant, i.e. in anyway on her own rights, then all Indians should be proud of her just as how proud we are of Mother Teresa.
 
Jinnah was in congress first , why do you think he was there ? Why do you this he did not joined Muslim League as soon as it established ? he tried his best to make sure India does not separate but Muslims get their deserving Power share , It was only the attitude of indian Leader Namely , Gandhi & Nehru that changed his views . he knew what will happen if we started living together .

Jinnah was a great leader of the Congress, and was well-known as a particular favourite of Gokhale. However, although he was not present at the first, inaugural meeting of the Muslim League, when it was set up in 1906 in Dhaka, he certainly attended subsequent sessions.

In those days, there was no mutual exclusivity between Congress and Muslim League. We have to remember that the Muslim League started with participants from the all India conference on Muslim education.

When he came back to India to head the Muslim League, he took into account the expressed fears and desires of the leaders of the progressive, educated Muslims of that time - not the landlords and the rich, as someone has argued with such sublime disregard to the facts - and that was a message of insecurity and fear. These were not his fears, these were the fears expressed by his constituents, and he presented them to get the maximum protection for these constituents.

Perhaps it was not the "attitude" of Gandhi and Nehru, but their concrete refusal to accept the loose centralisation of the three groupings under one centre that forced him to opt for Pakistan. Another person posting has pointed out, correctly, that the difference of opinion was about the degree of control that the centre should exercise.

You will be amused to know that after 65 years of tight, central rule, a significant degree of decentralisation is being enforced on the centre because of the pressure of alliance politics. In fact, even more funnily, the main Hindu right-wing party is also among those calling for greater state autonomy. How ironic that they should be of the same opinion as Jinnah, after all these years.


Even today his insight was Right , Look what Happened in Gujrat ? What is Happening in Indian Occupied Kashmir ?

That has nothing to do with the decisions taken in 1947. What happened in Gujarat is a crime. What is happening in Kashmir is also a crime; in that case, it is a crime committed by Pakistan.

Name one person who is Muslim & is in any Decision Making positing in Indian ? and i am not talking about Figurative Leaders with no Authority .

The entire decision making in UP, the largest state of the Union, is shared with Muslims. Without the support of Azam Khan, Akhilesh Yadav could not get to be Chief Minister. There are dozens of ministers in the states; in our state alone, I have to deal with two of them (on separate subjects). They wield power. Not because someone wants to do them a favour, but because they are powerful.

If you dont believe the history Look at the present , the Clues are in front of you , but if you choose to ignore them then you are just like the pigeon who closes his eyes shut in hopes of every thing is Right .


To Me India was going to get its Independence anyway if not in 1947 then may be 2 years later but British would have left eventually , so Gandhi technically did nothing that would make him a Great leader.

The thinking among the British was that they would hand over Dominion status sometime in the 70s. This was the consensus as late as Lord Linlithgow. Gandhi had much to do with the coming of independence, but of course, there are those who are given to exaggerating wildly and claiming that his campaigns were solely responsible. They were one among four reasons why the British left. But they were one of them four.

He Never Defeated British , He could not even Stop Jinnah.

This is difficult to understand. The British left, didn't they? What were you looking for? A pitched battle on the plain of Panipat?

So yes Gandhi is just a hype created by Indians to give them a source of inspiration.
a Leader loved by people is not assassinated by them .

There are Indians who are stupid enough to think that all Pakistanis are the same, think the same, believe the same, and act the same.

This embarrasses me.

I am glad that there are Pakistanis who think like that about Indians. It helps lighten the sense of embarrassment.

Listening to nonsense from others of a different point of view is no justification for creating one's own brand of misleading comments.
 
Walia's article makes interesting revelations on MK Gandhi.

Nehru Dynasty

Harmohan Singh Walia

At the very beginning of his book, "The Nehru Dynasty"....... then all Indians should be proud of her just as how proud we are of Mother Teresa.

It is disgusting that this Sangh Parivar libel should be reproduced here. While I cordially loathe the Congress Party for its ideology and its functioning, this kind of character assassination is the cheapest of cheap tactics. The source of this post is an embarrassment. What has a Bangladeshi to do with spreading these gutter rumours? Can a single line of the account be proved (other than the remark about Vedic marriage, which is perfectly correct under the law)?
 
1. My post has nothing to do with my BD identity. I am a member here like all others trying to contribute something irrespective of nationality. Truth must be told. Sangh Pariva / BJP are your next ruling party, and they are the most organized and currently dominant political party.

2. We in SA have a right to know about the Gandhis and Nehrus. What have they done for us, to us and with us? After all the slaughter we have been suffering, it is time to get less emotional and look at these people in clear eyes.
 
Hey calm down seriously, this is an international forum, just giving my views. :D
This might be a international forum, but you are not a stake holder nor you are an expert in this issue to give your comments about my countries leader. Let we INDIANS and PAKISTANIS who had common interest of gaining independence from the Bristish who fought under the leadership of Gandhi and Subash Chandra Boss and countless other leaders talk and come to cognisence about Gandhi, Nehru, Jinha, etc.
This is about our history not yours, so stay out of it kindly.
 
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