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Do Indian men lack respect for women?
By leoudtohan

It has been reported that India is unsafe for women.

I am not Indian, but I’ve had read about female infanticide, dowry demands, high-profile rape cases and other forms of violence and abuse against women in India. As of lately, media reports said that violence is not limited to Indian women but also to other foreign nationals who travelled to India. In fact, an American woman was gang-raped by three men in India in June 2013.

Since it sees no color, race and religion, violence against women is not only happening in India but also in other countries as well.

Growing up with many women in the family, it hurt me to know such abuse in Indian women. My heart goes to the victims who suffer tremendously and I know the horrors they go through are unspeakable.

But why is this happening to India? Didn’t India have a female Prime Minister like Indira Gandhi? Do Indian men lack respect for women?

I do believe that India is rich in traditions, values and morals. They have gender laws but are hardly enforced. If the people will not change their mindset that all human beings have equal rights to live safely and independently with dignity, then the lives of Indian women remain dangerous.

It is on this state of bewilderment that it is good to revisit sacred quotes from Hinduism to know how they see a woman:


Ansuya (Rishi Atri's wife) said to Sita:
"A woman is impure by her very birth; but she attains a happy state by serving her lord (husband)". Tulasi Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 5 A-B

A wife, obedient to her husband, renowned, light-footed, eloquent in speech, sympathetic to the patients, attains to happiness when she lives peacefully with her husband, and nicely cooks the food highly efficacious, and grown through rain, conducive to our physical growth, brought daily in use, and relished by our ancestors. Yajur Veda Chapter XXXIII, Verse 59

Rama (addressing Bharata) said: "Do you keep your womenfolk pacified? Are they duly protected by you? I hope you do not repose excessive faith in them and do not confide your secrets to them." Valmiki Ramayana Ayodhya Kanda, 100.49

Krishna said: "For, taking refuge in Me, they also who, O Arjuna, may be of sinful birth--women, vaisyas as well as sudras--attain the Supreme Goal." Bhagavad Gita, Ch.9, Verse 32

[Commentary by Swami Shivananda, Rishikesh:
"........Women and Sudras are debarred by social rules from the study of the Vedas. ...."]


Men must make their women dependent day and night, and keep under their own control those who are attached to sensory objects. Her father guards her in childhood, her husband guards her in youth, and her sons guard her in old age. A woman is not fit for independence. Manusmriti 9.2-3


They (women) make a lie appear as truth, and a truth appear as a lie. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XXXIX


Addressing Shakuntala, Dushmanta said:
"Women generally speak untruth" The Mahabharata Adi Parva, Section LXXIV


Yudhishthira (addressing Bhishma) said:
Women in particular, the Rishis have said, are false in behaviour. Women in particular have been declared in the ordinances to be false. In the very Vedas one may read that women are false. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XIX


Women do not care for beauty, nor is their attention fixed on age; (thinking), '(It is enough that) he is a man,' they give themselves to the handsome and to the ugly. Through their passion for men, through their mutable temper, through their natural heartlessness, they become disloyal towards their husbands, however carefully they may be guarded in this (world). Knowing their disposition, which the Lord of creatures laid in them at the creation, to be such, (every) man should most strenuously exert himself to guard them. (When creating them) Manu allotted to women (a love of their) bed, (of their) seat and (of) ornament, impure desires, wrath, dishonesty, malice, and bad conduct. For women no (sacramental) rite (is performed) with sacred texts, thus the law is settled; women (who are) destitute of strength and destitute of (the knowledge of) Vedic texts, (are as impure as) falsehood (itself), that is a fixed rule. Manusmriti 9.14-18


For women there is no ornament more valuable than their husbands. Valmiki Ramayana Sunder Kanda, 16-26


A damsel whose menses begin to appear (while she is living) at her father's house, before she has been betrothed to a man, has to be considered as a degraded woman: by taking her (without the consent of her kinsmen) a man commits no wrong. Vishnusmriti 24.41


"Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; she has very little intelligence.' " Rig Veda 8.33.17

Sage Ashtavakra said:
Women can never be their own mistresses. This is the opinion of the Creator himself, viz., that a woman never deserves to be independent. There is not a single woman in the three worlds that deserves to be regarded as the mistress of her own self. The father protects her while she is a maiden. The husband protects her while she is in youth. Sons protect her when she is aged. Women can never be independent as long as they live. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XX

Even if destitute of virtue, or seeking pleasure (elsewhere), or devoid of good qualities, a husband must be constantly worshipped as a god by a faithful wife. Manusmriti 5.154

Arjuna said:
When irreligion is prominent in the family, O Krishna, the women of the family become corrupt, and from the degradation of womanhood, O descendant of Vrishni, comes unwanted progeny. Bhagavad Gita, Ch.1, Verse 40

Women are powerless, have no inheritance, and speak more humbly than even a bad man. Krishna Yajur Veda Taittiriya Samhita 6.5.8.2

Addressing sage Ashtavakra, the old Lady said:
The very deities of wind and fire and water, or the other celestials, O regenerate one, are not so agreeable to women as the deity of desire. Verily, women are exceedingly fond of sexual congress. Among a thousand women, or perhaps, among hundreds of thousands, sometimes only one may be found that is devoted to her husband. When under the influence of desire, they care not for family or father or mother or brother or husband or sons or husband's brother, but pursue the way that desire points out. ...Verily, in pursuit of what they consider happiness, they destroy the family to which they belong by birth or marriage, even as many queenly rivers eat away the banks that contain them. Even women that are aged are tortured by the desire of sexual union. The Creator himself had said this, quickly marking the faults of women. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XIX & XXI

Lakshmana (addressing Sita) said:
It is the nature of women all over the world to be vicious, fickle, and sharp-tongued and to sow seeds of dissension. Valmiki Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 45.29

A discarded wife is one who has no son. ... For a wife that is without a son, is possessed with Nirriti (destruction, calamity). Shatapatha Brahmana 5.3.1.13

It is the nature of women to seduce men in this (world); for that reason the wise are never unguarded in (the company of) females. For women are able to lead astray in (this) world not only a fool, but even a learned man, and (to make) him a slave of desire and anger. One should not sit in a lonely place with one's mother, sister, or daughter; for the senses are powerful, and master even a learned man. Manusmriti 2.213-215

Bhishma said:
Women have one eternal duty in this world, viz., dependence upon and obedient service to their husbands, and as such, this one duty constitutes their only end. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section LIX

End violence against women and children now!!!



Source: Do Indian men lack respect for women? - CNN iReport



You hypocritical douche-bags had the temerity to question the status of woman in Islam when you are eons behind yourself. You can't sympathize enough with a Muslim woman who covers herself yet look at these divine gems of wisdom from your books which completely demonize feminism. Is it any wonder that women are being raped with such frequency in India. Shocking!!
 
@Sedqal .. the difference is no hindu will demand implementation of thse and say we will get perfect state if done so..
nobody in his sane mind thinks these are correct..
same cant be said about muslims.. thats the issue.. there are many christian sources too which are sexist but nobody follows them.
 
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Dear lord , Now even attacking Religion ...the entire thing written over here is complete and utter BS , am not in the mood to quote and correct all of them ....

Besides, this is an Epic...a story...you cannot take a story for its word... this is completely different from what actually written in the Vedas ...
 
@Sedqal, By posting this thread you have proven your self to be a completely incompetent , Hypocritical human being . Giving a Religious connection to Rapes in India ? That is a new Low...... Absolutely pathetic at best :disagree:

GO check this below and Enlighten yourself

Women are accorded the greatest respect in Vedas. Still, ignorant semi-literate humans keep propagating the false propaganda that Vedas demean women. Presented here are verses from Vedas obtained from texts of most learned scholars in this field to establish the truth.

Atharva Ved

Atharva 11.5.18

In this mantra of Brahmcharya Sukta, it is emphasized that girls too should train themselves as students and only then enter into married life. The Sukta specifically emphasizes that girls should receive the same level of training as boys.

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 8

Girls should train themselves to become complete scholars and youthful through Brahmcharya and then enter married life.

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya, Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 413-414)

Atharva 14.1.6

Parents should gift their daughter intellectuality and power of knowledge when she leaves for husband’s home. They should give her a dowry of knowledge.

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 8,9

When girls ignore external objects and develops foresight and vibrant attitude through power of knowledge, she becomes provider of wealths of skies and earth. Then she should marry an eligible husband.

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya, Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 654)

Atharva 14.1.20

Oh wife! Give us discourse of knowledge

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 9

The bride may please everyone at her husband’s home through her knowledge and noble qualities.

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 660)

Atharva 7.46.3

Teach the husband ways of earning wealth

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 9

Protector of children, having definite knowledge, worth thousands of prayers and impressing all directions, O women, you accept prosperity. O wife of desrving husband, teach your husband to enhance wealth.

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 1, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 804)

Similar meaning

(Book: Atharvaved ka subodh bhashya (7-10 chapters), Author: Sripad Damodar Satvalekar, Page 97)


Atharva 7.47.1

Oh woman! You are the keeper of knowledge of all types of actions (karma).

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 9

O woman, you provide us wealth and prosperity.

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 1, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 804)

Similar meaning:

(Book: Atharvaved ka subodh bhashya (7-10 chapters), Author: Sripad Damodar Satvalekar, Page 98)

Atharva 7.47.2

Oh woman! You know everything. Please provide us strength of prosperity and wealth

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 9

O woman! You enhance our wealth and prosperity

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 1, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 805)

Similar meaning:

(Book: Atharvaved ka subodh bhashya (7-10 chapters), Author: Sripad Damodar Satvalekar, Page 98)

Atharva 7.48.2

Oh woman! Please provide us with wealth through your intellect

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 9

Scholarly, respectful, thoughtful, happy wife protects and enhances wealth and bring happiness in home.

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 1, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 806)

Similar meaning:

(Book: Atharvaved ka subodh bhashya (7-10 chapters), Author: Sripad Damodar Satvalekar, Page 99)

Atharva 14.1.64

Oh woman! Utilize your vedic intellect in all directions of our home!

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 9

O bride! Reach the home of scholars and bring bliss and happiness by ruling your home

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 678)

Atharva 2:36:5

Oh bride! Step into the boat of prosperity and take your husband beyond the ocean of worldy troubles into realms of success

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 12, 13

O bride! Step into the indestructible boat of prosperity and take your husband to shores of success.

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 1, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 219)

Atharva 1.14.3

Oh groom! This bride will protect your entire family

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 13

O groom! This bride is protector of your entire family. May she dwell in your home for a period and sow seeds of intellect.

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 1, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 80-81)

Atharva 2.36.3

May this bride become the queen of the house of her husband and enlighten all.

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 13

Similar meaning as above

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 1, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 218)

Atharva 11.1.17

These women are pure, sacred and yajniya (as respected as yajna); they provide us with subjects, animals and food

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 13

These women are pure, sacred, worth being worship, worth being served, of great character, scholarly. They have given subjects, animals and happiness to the entire society.

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 352)

Atharva 12.1.25

Oh motherland! Give us that aura which is present in girls

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 13

May we have the same aura and prosperity as in women!

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 480)

Atharva 12.2.31

Ensure that these women never weep out of sorrow. Keep them free from all diseases and give them ornaments and jewels to wear.

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 13-14

Similar meaning

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 507)

Atharva 14.1.20

Hey wife! Become the queen and manager of everyone in the family of your husband.

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 14

Similar meaning

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 660)

Atharva 14.1.50

Hey wife! I am holding your hand for prosperity

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 14

Similar meaning

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 672)

Atharva 14.1.61

Hey bride! You shall bring bliss to all and direct our homes towards our purpose of living

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 14

Similar meaning

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 677)

Atharva 14.2.71

Hey wife! I am knowledgeable and you are also knowledgeable. If I am Samved then you are Rigved.

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 14

Similar meaning

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 708)

Atharva 14.2.74

This bride is illuminating. She has conquered everyone’s hearts!

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 14

May the bride be victorious and prosperous!

Similar meaning

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 709)

Atharva 7.38.4and 12.3.52

Women should take part in the legislative chambers and put their views on forefront.

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 23

Rigved

Rig 10.85.7

Parents should gift their daughter intellectuality and power of knowledge when she leaves for husband’s home. They should give her a dowry of knowledge.

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 9

Rig 3.31.1

The right is equal in the fathers property for both son and daughter

Rigved

Rig 10.85.7

Parents should gift their daughter intellectuality and power of knowledge when she leaves for husband’s home. They should give her a dowry of knowledge.

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 9

Rig 3.31.1

The right is equal in the fathers property for both son and daughter

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 21

Rig 10.159

A women speaks after waking up in morning, “My destiny is as glorious as the rising sun. I am the flag of my home and society. I am also their head. I can give impressive discourses. My sons conquer enemies. My daughter illuminates the whole world. I myself am winner of enemies. My husband has infinite glory. I have made those sacrifices which make a king successful. I have also been successful. I have destroyed my enemies.”

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 24

The sun has gone up; my prosperity and happiness also have mounted high. Quite sure, I have regained the love of my husband, triumphing over my rivals.

I am the emblem, I am the head, I am supreme and now I dictate; my husband must conform to my will; rivals now I have none.

My sons are destroyers of my enemies; my daughter is a queen; and I am victorious. My and my husband’s love has a wide reputation.

O enlightened, I have offered that oblation which has been offered by the one, the most illustrious and thus I have become renowned and most powerful; I have freed myself from my rival damsels.

I am free from rivals; I am now the destructress of rivals, victorious and triumphant; I have seized other’s glory as if it were the wealth of weaker dames, who do not endure long. I have gained victory over these my rivals, so that I have my imperial sway over this hero and his people.

(Book: Rgveda Samhita, Vol XIII, Author: Swami Satya Prakash Saraswati & Satyakam Vidyalankar, Ved Pratishthana, New Delhi) Page 4697

Appendix to above hymn (Page 4813) of same book:

Saci is the Rsi as well as the devata of the hymn. Saci is the Queen-Empress of the State or the Queen on her own accounts in a democratic state (the lady-President, or the Lady-Prime Minister of the State). Her sons and daughters are also dedicated to the State.

Rig ved 1.164.41

One ved, two ved, or four ved along with ayurved, dhanurved, gandharved, aarthved etc in addition with education, kalp, grammar, nirukt, astrology, meters i.e the six vedaang should be attained by the clear-minded woman, which is equivalent to the crystal-clear water and spread this diversified knowledge among the people.

(Book: Vagambhraniya, Author: Dr Priyamvada Vedbharti)

O men and women! A scholarly woman who has practiced or teaches one, two or four Vedas or four Vedas and four upavedas, along with grammar, etymology etc and spreads knowledge to whole world and removes ignorance of people is source of happiness for entire world. A woman who studies and teaches all parts of Vedas brings progress to all human beings

(Book: Rigveda Bhashyam, Part III, Author: Dayanand Saraswati,Vedic Yantralaya, Page 382,383)

Rig ved 10.85.46

Like wise in so many other mantras a woman has been presented to play an essential role in family and as wife. Similarly she has been given the lead stage in society works, in governmental organizations, and for ruling the nation is also mentioned inVedas.

(Book: Vagambhraniya, Author: Dr Priyamvada Vedbharti)



Rigevda contains several Suktas containing description of Usha as a God. This Usha is representation of an ideal woman. Please refer “Usha Devata” by Pt Sri Pad Damodar Satvalekar as part of “Simple Translation of Rigveda (Rigved ka subodh bhashya)”. Page 121 to 147 for summary of all such verses spread across entire Rigveda. In summary:
Women should be brave (Page 122, 128)
Women should be expert (Page 122)
Women should earn fame (Page 123)
Women should ride on chariots (Page 123)
Women should be scholars (Page 123)
Women should be prosperous and wealth (Page 125)
Women should be intelligent and knowledgeable (Page 126)
Women should be protector of family and society and get in army(Page 134, 136)
Women should be illuminating (Page 137)
Women should be provider of wealth, food and prosperity (Page 141- 146)


Yajurved

Yajur 20.9

There are equal rights for men and women to get appointed as ruler.

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 24

Yajur 31.11

In this mantra the Brahman, kshatriya, vaishya and shudra are there in each human body. Brahmin from the head, king from the shoulders, vaishya from the thigh, and shudra by feet. The progeny of the shudra through his karma(actions) can grow to be a Brahman.

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Yajur 16.44

There should me a women army. Let the women be encouraged to participate in war.

(Book: Vagambhraniya, Author: Dr Priyamvada Vedbharti)

Yajur ved 10.26

In this mantra it is enforced that the wife of ruler should give education of politics to the others. Likewise the king do justice for the people, the queen should also justify her role.

(Book: Vagambhraniya, Author: Dr Priyamvada Vedbharti)

Yajur ved 30.15

(Book: Vagambhraniya, Author: Dr Priyamvada Vedbharti)
 
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Do Indian men lack respect for women?
By leoudtohan

It has been reported that India is unsafe for women.

I am not Indian, but I’ve had read about female infanticide, dowry demands, high-profile rape cases and other forms of violence and abuse against women in India. As of lately, media reports said that violence is not limited to Indian women but also to other foreign nationals who travelled to India. In fact, an American woman was gang-raped by three men in India in June 2013.

Since it sees no color, race and religion, violence against women is not only happening in India but also in other countries as well.

Growing up with many women in the family, it hurt me to know such abuse in Indian women. My heart goes to the victims who suffer tremendously and I know the horrors they go through are unspeakable.

But why is this happening to India? Didn’t India have a female Prime Minister like Indira Gandhi? Do Indian men lack respect for women?

I do believe that India is rich in traditions, values and morals. They have gender laws but are hardly enforced. If the people will not change their mindset that all human beings have equal rights to live safely and independently with dignity, then the lives of Indian women remain dangerous.

It is on this state of bewilderment that it is good to revisit sacred quotes from Hinduism to know how they see a woman:


Ansuya (Rishi Atri's wife) said to Sita:
"A woman is impure by her very birth; but she attains a happy state by serving her lord (husband)". Tulasi Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 5 A-B

A wife, obedient to her husband, renowned, light-footed, eloquent in speech, sympathetic to the patients, attains to happiness when she lives peacefully with her husband, and nicely cooks the food highly efficacious, and grown through rain, conducive to our physical growth, brought daily in use, and relished by our ancestors. Yajur Veda Chapter XXXIII, Verse 59

Rama (addressing Bharata) said: "Do you keep your womenfolk pacified? Are they duly protected by you? I hope you do not repose excessive faith in them and do not confide your secrets to them." Valmiki Ramayana Ayodhya Kanda, 100.49

Krishna said: "For, taking refuge in Me, they also who, O Arjuna, may be of sinful birth--women, vaisyas as well as sudras--attain the Supreme Goal." Bhagavad Gita, Ch.9, Verse 32

[Commentary by Swami Shivananda, Rishikesh:
"........Women and Sudras are debarred by social rules from the study of the Vedas. ...."]


Men must make their women dependent day and night, and keep under their own control those who are attached to sensory objects. Her father guards her in childhood, her husband guards her in youth, and her sons guard her in old age. A woman is not fit for independence. Manusmriti 9.2-3


They (women) make a lie appear as truth, and a truth appear as a lie. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XXXIX


Addressing Shakuntala, Dushmanta said:
"Women generally speak untruth" The Mahabharata Adi Parva, Section LXXIV


Yudhishthira (addressing Bhishma) said:
Women in particular, the Rishis have said, are false in behaviour. Women in particular have been declared in the ordinances to be false. In the very Vedas one may read that women are false. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XIX


Women do not care for beauty, nor is their attention fixed on age; (thinking), '(It is enough that) he is a man,' they give themselves to the handsome and to the ugly. Through their passion for men, through their mutable temper, through their natural heartlessness, they become disloyal towards their husbands, however carefully they may be guarded in this (world). Knowing their disposition, which the Lord of creatures laid in them at the creation, to be such, (every) man should most strenuously exert himself to guard them. (When creating them) Manu allotted to women (a love of their) bed, (of their) seat and (of) ornament, impure desires, wrath, dishonesty, malice, and bad conduct. For women no (sacramental) rite (is performed) with sacred texts, thus the law is settled; women (who are) destitute of strength and destitute of (the knowledge of) Vedic texts, (are as impure as) falsehood (itself), that is a fixed rule. Manusmriti 9.14-18


For women there is no ornament more valuable than their husbands. Valmiki Ramayana Sunder Kanda, 16-26


A damsel whose menses begin to appear (while she is living) at her father's house, before she has been betrothed to a man, has to be considered as a degraded woman: by taking her (without the consent of her kinsmen) a man commits no wrong. Vishnusmriti 24.41


"Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; she has very little intelligence.' " Rig Veda 8.33.17

Sage Ashtavakra said:
Women can never be their own mistresses. This is the opinion of the Creator himself, viz., that a woman never deserves to be independent. There is not a single woman in the three worlds that deserves to be regarded as the mistress of her own self. The father protects her while she is a maiden. The husband protects her while she is in youth. Sons protect her when she is aged. Women can never be independent as long as they live. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XX

Even if destitute of virtue, or seeking pleasure (elsewhere), or devoid of good qualities, a husband must be constantly worshipped as a god by a faithful wife. Manusmriti 5.154

Arjuna said:
When irreligion is prominent in the family, O Krishna, the women of the family become corrupt, and from the degradation of womanhood, O descendant of Vrishni, comes unwanted progeny. Bhagavad Gita, Ch.1, Verse 40

Women are powerless, have no inheritance, and speak more humbly than even a bad man. Krishna Yajur Veda Taittiriya Samhita 6.5.8.2

Addressing sage Ashtavakra, the old Lady said:
The very deities of wind and fire and water, or the other celestials, O regenerate one, are not so agreeable to women as the deity of desire. Verily, women are exceedingly fond of sexual congress. Among a thousand women, or perhaps, among hundreds of thousands, sometimes only one may be found that is devoted to her husband. When under the influence of desire, they care not for family or father or mother or brother or husband or sons or husband's brother, but pursue the way that desire points out. ...Verily, in pursuit of what they consider happiness, they destroy the family to which they belong by birth or marriage, even as many queenly rivers eat away the banks that contain them. Even women that are aged are tortured by the desire of sexual union. The Creator himself had said this, quickly marking the faults of women. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XIX & XXI

Lakshmana (addressing Sita) said:
It is the nature of women all over the world to be vicious, fickle, and sharp-tongued and to sow seeds of dissension. Valmiki Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 45.29

A discarded wife is one who has no son. ... For a wife that is without a son, is possessed with Nirriti (destruction, calamity). Shatapatha Brahmana 5.3.1.13

It is the nature of women to seduce men in this (world); for that reason the wise are never unguarded in (the company of) females. For women are able to lead astray in (this) world not only a fool, but even a learned man, and (to make) him a slave of desire and anger. One should not sit in a lonely place with one's mother, sister, or daughter; for the senses are powerful, and master even a learned man. Manusmriti 2.213-215

Bhishma said:
Women have one eternal duty in this world, viz., dependence upon and obedient service to their husbands, and as such, this one duty constitutes their only end. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section LIX

End violence against women and children now!!!



Source: Do Indian men lack respect for women? - CNN iReport



You hypocritical douche-bags had the temerity to question the status of woman in Islam when you are eons behind yourself. You can't sympathize enough with a Muslim woman who covers herself yet look at these divine gems of wisdom from your books which completely demonize feminism. Is it any wonder that women are being raped with such frequency in India. Shocking!!

According to some people ..India men are often found running around on streets ...with their D1ck in one hand and other hand reaching out for a woman to be groped and raped.

Come on people ..... stop passing blanket statements like these... as if crime against women are not happening in their own countries.
 
This a CNN report you twits not my words - I wrote the last two lines questioning the logic behind your constant criticism of Islam based on what you consider to be exploitation of women (yet the author gives references to your books which seemingly go far beyond Burqa and completely demonize women).

And it matters a lot, firstly the said books were written during some ancient glorious India which had no social evils and was a beacon of humanity (According to you). Secondly you simply can not deny the impact of such writing on Indians.
 

You hypocritical douche-bags had the temerity to question the status of woman in Islam when you are eons behind yourself. You can't sympathize enough with a Muslim woman who covers herself yet look at these divine gems of wisdom from your books which completely demonize feminism. Is it any wonder that women are being raped with such frequency in India. Shocking!!


Despite the language used above i cannot help but agree with your comments.

Its a sign of the times. We have reached a stage where sons do not respect their father - another woman is a far cry.

This I may add is not confined to India alone.

Materialism , media & the high which money gives is to blame . Add to this is the fact that rapid expansion of cities brings the need for workers - Drivers, domestic help, labourers etc all of who see society so far removed from the rural environment they come from that they feel this is the right thing to do.

Lastly ,inefficient and corrupt Police & lax law enforcement worsens things.
 
This a CNN report you twits not my words - I wrote the last two lines questioning the logic behind your constant criticism of Islam based on what you consider to be exploitation of women (yet the author gives references to your books which seemingly go far beyond Burqa and completely demonize women).

And it matters a lot, firstly the said books were written during some ancient glorious India which had no social evils and was a beacon of humanity (According to you). Secondly you simply can not deny the impact of such writing on Indians.

the impact of such writing on Indians is zero.. most indians dont know what is written .. I assume you are talking about hindus..
if Indians are backward.. they were so culturally for centuries.. they dont read these books and get those thoughts suddenly...

btw.. quran also has similar verses beyond simply the burqa.. so dont be so innocent..
To repeat.. nobody bothers about holy books unless their writings are used as argument to force change.
 
This a CNN report you twits not my words - I wrote the last two lines questioning the logic behind your constant criticism of Islam based on what you consider to be exploitation of women (yet the author gives references to your books which seemingly go far beyond Burqa and completely demonize women).

And it matters a lot, firstly the said books were written during some ancient glorious India which had no social evils and was a beacon of humanity (According to you). Secondly you simply can not deny the impact of such writing on Indians.

I just debunked the CNN report you twit ... the rest of your post is nothing but an emotional rant against a Religion which you are trained to hate.... These writings have absolutely no impact on Indians , nobody is even bothered about Religion except your kind..


@third eye His point was to connect Riligion with Rapes, The teachings of Hinduism has absolutely nothing to do with rapes . The only thing driving Rape is taking pleasure over someone else's misery ...
 
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the impact of such writing on Indians is zero.. most indians dont know what is written .. I assume you are talking about hindus..
if Indians are backward.. they were so culturally for centuries.. they dont read these books and get those thoughts suddenly...

btw.. quran also has similar verses beyond simply the burqa.. so dont be so innocent..
To repeat.. nobody bothers about holy books unless their writings are used as argument to force change.

I have read the Ramayana and the Mahabharata and i have not come across many of these lines , it is most probable that the Author have used the wrong interpretation of the book.. Am not Riligiously blind here , am simply stating an observation ...
 
Rape percapita of India is very low, since we are 120 crores and media is giving coverage to them these days, these trolls are opening such threads .... :sniper:
 
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