DNA of all ethnic Chinese ( from history of military invasions ) Mandarin , Cantonese , Hakka

[ManUNITEDglory]

Almost every Chinese today is formed from a mixture of military invasion and migrants which is different to India genetic history. However there is some great similarity in term of geographic/genetics. Like the North Indians/Pakistan have blood of Iranian/Arab/Mongol/Turkic blood but in smaller quantity while South Indian have some north Indian blood but also in smaller quantity but the low caste group of South India have none and therefore not mixed like South Indians.


North Chinese are genetically East Asians with heavy Siberian/Northeast Asian admixture from the countless Altaic nomadic invasions and so Mandarin is heavy Manchu influenced and the language is far from close to original Chinese. Although it's easy to learn it's sounds very ugly.


South Chinese are Southern ethnic minority with heavy East Asian blood from the North Chinese invaders. The dialects of Cantonese, Hakka, Hoklo are all very close and good preservation of Chinese with minor significant influences from ethnic minority, their languages all sound ugly too.


North and South Chinese are not pure. The pure Chinese are those modern chinese mongoloids from modern central China

What matters is the bottom part in the study. The yellow represents East Asian/Siberian mongoloid admixture and brown southern ethnic minority Mongoloid. As you can see Cantonese are 27 - 35% East Asian on average but are 46-49% Han Chinese. Some of the yellow could come from Siberians such as the Mongolian/Jin dynasty invasion so it's not entirely east Asian and completely Chinese.


This clearly proves modern Chinese is form from military invasions using genetic data

 

[rott]

Lol, I agree hakka dialect sounds like crap. I prefer to speak Mandarin.

 

[ManUNITEDglory]

《人口研究》 - 中国各地DNA数据
Cantonese people


Cantonese father line: the more people O1 descent 40% , 10% Qinhan Han ethnic origin , Song Han Chinese ancestry 50%

Cantonese mother line : Vietnamese descent 80% , 20% Han Chinese ancestry .

( however other Cantonese groups like Taishanese people have 45% O2a and 55% O3 Han paternal DNA but surprisingly 67% North Han maternal DNA and only 33% Vietnamese)


Fujianese people

Fujianese paternal line : 50% of the Han Chinese , Miao Yao ( mainly referring shes ) O3d descent 10% , 30% more people O1 descent , Brown Ethnicity CD ancestry 10% ;

Fujianese maternal line: The more people 50% , 10% brown race , Miao Yao 10% , Han 30%.

Hakka people

Hakka people paternal line: Qinhan Han family 10% , 30% of Song Han , Miao and Yao ( mainly referring shes ) O3d descent 30% , the more people O1
Descent 10% , 10% brown Ethnicity C descent ;

Hakka maternal line: The more people 30% , 10% brown race , Miao Yao 30% , Han 30%.



Jiangxi people

Jiangxi people paternal line: 50% of Chinese descent , Miao Yao O3d descent 20% , brown ethnic origin 10% C , 20% more people O1 descent ;

Jiangxi maternal line: The more people 30% , 10% brown race , Miao Yao 20% , Han 40%.


Mandarin speakers of very north


paternal line: descent 90% Han Chinese , 5% of the Altai P descent ,

maternal line 90% of Chinese descent , descent 1% P Altai Altai mutation

However other study shows as much as 10-22% Altaic Y-DNA and mtDNA in North Chinese and in Liaoning province is 30-40%

 

[Fattyacids]

@Wholegrain your area of expertise

 

[ManUNITEDglory]

《中国人种源头分布一览表》_如皋老乡会_人文_西祠胡同

Translation
《中国人种源头分布一览表》

中华文明探源工程初步结果----DNA数据


北吴（包括苏南、上海、杭州湾两岸）人父系：汉血统65%，苗瑶族O3d血统10%，棕色人种C血统5%，越人O1血统20%；

北吴人母系：越人50%，棕色人种5%，苗瑶族20%，汉人25%。

南吴（不包括苏南、上海、杭州湾两岸）人父系：汉血统40%，苗瑶族（主要是畲族）O3d血统10%，棕色人种C血统10%，越人O1血统40%；

南吴人母系：越人60%，棕色人种10%，苗瑶族10%，汉人20%。

广东省广府人父系：越人O1血统40%，秦汉汉族血统10%，宋朝汉族血统50%；

广府人母系：越人血统80%，汉族血统20%。

闽南人父系：陈元光系汉族40%，其他汉族10%，

越人O1血统40%，棕色人种C血统10%；

闽南人母系：越人60%，棕色人种20%，汉人20%。

闽北人父系：王审之系汉族50%，苗瑶族（主要指畲族）O3d血统10%，越人O1血统30%，棕色人种CD血统10%；

闽北人母系：越人50%，棕色人种10%，苗瑶族10%，汉人30%。

客家人父系：秦汉汉族10%，宋朝汉族30%，苗瑶族（主要指畲族）O3d血统30%，越人O1血统10%，棕色人种C血统10%；

客家人母系：越人30%，棕色人种10%，苗瑶族30%，汉人30%。

湘人（不包括西北部操官话的地区和东部操赣语的地区）父系：赣人（剔除里面的汉血统成分）血统15%，赣人汉血统15%，其他汉血统30%，苗瑶族O3d血统30%，棕色人种C血统10%；

湘人（不包括西北部操官话的地区和东部操赣语的地区）母系：越人10%，棕色人种10%，苗瑶族50%，汉人30%。

赣人父系：汉血统50%，苗瑶族O3d血统20%，棕色人种C血统10%，越人O1血统20%；

赣人母系：越人30%，棕色人种10%，苗瑶族20%，汉人40%。

江淮人父系：汉血统70%，苗瑶族O3d血统10%，棕色人种C血统5%，越人O1血统15%；

江淮人母系：越人30%，棕色人种5%，苗瑶族25%，汉人40%。

西南人（云南、贵州、广西北部、湖南西北部、湖北西部）父系：赣人（剔除里面的汉血统成分）血统10%，赣人汉血统10%，其他汉血统50%，苗瑶族O3d血统10%，棕色人种C血统10%，藏缅O3/D人血统10%；

西南人母系：藏缅人（主要在四川）20%，棕色人种10%，苗瑶族（主要在湖北）30%，汉人40%。

中原官话区西部父系：汉血统90%，阿尔泰P血统5%，棕色人种CD血统5%；

中原官话区东部父系：汉血统90%，阿尔泰P血统1%，阿尔泰突变之印第安Q血统1%，棕色人种CD血统5%，越人血统3%；

兰银官话区：汉血统85%，阿尔泰P血统10%，棕色人种CD血统5%；

秦晋方言区父系：汉血统85%，阿尔泰P血统10%，棕色人种CD血统5%；

北方官话区之冀鲁官话区：汉血统85%，阿尔泰P血统5%，阿尔泰突变之印第安Q血统2%，棕色人种CD血统3%；

北方官话区之北京-东北官话区：汉血统80%，阿尔泰P血统10%，阿尔泰突变之印第安Q血统3%，棕色人种CD血统3%，越人O1血统4%；

北方官话区之胶辽官话区：汉血统80%，阿尔泰P血统10%，阿尔泰突变之印第安Q血统3%，棕色人种CD血统1%，越人O1血统6%。

藏族父系：棕色人种D血统50%，汉血统炎帝系O3/O3e血统50%；

藏族母系：棕色人种ag/axg血统10%，汉血统炎帝系血统90%；

羌族父系：棕色人种D血统20%，汉血统炎帝系O3/O3e血统80%；

羌族母系：棕色人种ag/axg血统0%，汉血统炎帝系血统100%；

氐族父系：棕色人种D血统100%，汉血统炎帝系O3/O3e血统0%；

氐族母系：棕色人种ag/axg血统10%，汉血统炎帝系血统90%；

新疆蒙古人（西蒙古）父系：阿尔泰P血统60%，雅利安血统10%，汉族血统10%，棕色人种C血统20%；

新疆蒙古人（西蒙古）母系：阿尔泰血统60%，雅利安血统10%，汉族血统10%，棕色人种血统20%；

东蒙古父系：阿尔泰P血统45%，雅利安血统5%，汉族血统40%，棕色人种C血统10%；

东蒙古母系：阿尔泰ab3st血统60%，雅利安fb1b3血统0%，汉族血统30%，棕色人种ag/axg血统10%；

满族（扣除祖先是汉军旗的人）父系：阿尔泰P血统40%，雅利安血统0%，汉族血统40%，棕色人种C血统10%，越人O1血统10%；

满族（扣除祖先是汉军旗的人）母系：阿尔泰ab3st血统40%，雅利安fb1b3血统0%，汉族血统40%，棕色人种ag/axg血统10%，越人血统10%；

北朝鲜父系：阿尔泰P血统30%，雅利安血统0%，汉族血统50%，棕色人种C血统10%，越人O1血统10%；

北朝鲜母系：阿尔泰ab3st血统50%，雅利安fb1b3血统0%，汉族血统20%，棕色人种ag/axg血统15%，越人血统15%；

南韩父系：阿尔泰P血统30%，雅利安血统0%，汉族血统40%，棕色人种C血统10%，越人O1血统20%；

南韩母系：阿尔泰ab3st血统50%，雅利安fb1b3血统0%，汉族血统10%，棕色人种ag/axg血统20%，越人血统20%；

日本阿依努人父系：棕色人种D血统100%；

日本阿依努人母系：棕色人种ag/axg血统100%；

大和民族九州岛父系：阿尔泰P血统30%，汉族血统40%，棕色人种D血统10%，越人O1血统20%；

大和民族九州岛母系：阿尔泰ab3st血统50%，汉族血统10%，棕色人种ag/axg血统20%，越人血统20%；

大和民族本州岛关西父系：阿尔泰P血统30%，汉族血统30%，棕色人种D血统20%，越人O1血统20%；

大和民族本州岛关西母系：阿尔泰ab3st血统40%，汉族血统10%，棕色人种ag/axg血统30%，越人血统20%；

大和民族本州岛关东父系：阿尔泰P血统30%，汉族血统10%，棕色人种D血统40%，越人O1血统20%；

大和民族本州岛关东母系：阿尔泰ab3st血统30%，汉族血统0%，棕色人种ag/axg血统50%，越人血统20%。

《中国各省区人血统之主要来源》

１.河北、京津：多为中原汉族与契丹、女真人混血后裔。明代朱棣曾从安徽调遣数万士兵驻守天津卫，因而天津大部分居民又糅合了安徽人血统。

　　２.东北：多为齐鲁汉族与鲜卑、室韦、契丹、女真混血后裔，其中东北的朝鲜族人有高丽血统、满族为女真人后裔、达斡尔族为契丹族直系后裔、赫哲族为古靺鞨人直系后裔。

　　３.内蒙古：多为蒙古人与汉人，外蒙古东部和呼伦贝尔草原为蒙古族人血统来源地，蒙古族是室韦的一支。鄂伦春族为古室韦人直系后裔。

　　４.山西、河南、陕西、山东：古中原汉人保留较多，也有部分为汉人与鲜卑、匈奴、女真混血后裔。据考证中原汉族文化主要起源于山西的丁村文化、河南的仰韶文化、山东的大汶口文化。

　　５.甘肃：多为汉人与匈奴、突厥混血后裔，甘肃境内的裕固族来自于回纥。

　　６.青海：多为汉人与藏人，青海境内的土族来自于吐谷浑。撒拉族、东乡族均为古代西戎的后裔。

　　７.宁夏：多为汉人与回族人，宁夏人血统较复杂，宁夏回族多为汉族与党项族、突厥族、波斯、阿拉伯、蒙古的混血。

　　８.新疆：境内多为汉人与维吾尔族人，维吾尔人来自于回纥，回纥本为突厥的一支，因此新疆被称为东突厥斯坦（在葱岭以东），而中亚五国的民族也均出自突厥，被称为西突厥斯坦（其中土库曼斯坦人自称最正宗的突厥人，土库曼就是Turkey man的转音）。突厥还有一支名塞尔柱突厥，他们逃至小亚细亚，逐渐发展壮大后攻灭拜占廷帝国，建立了奥斯曼土耳其帝国，今天演变成土耳其共和国。所以中亚五国、土耳其人都是新疆人亲戚。哈萨克人为突厥人与古乌孙人的混血后裔。

　　９.苏沪皖：多为中原汉族与江南土生汉族混血，江南土生汉族发源于河姆渡文化。

　　１０.浙江：多为中原汉族、江南土生汉族与东越、东瓯人混血后裔。东瓯人是夏朝遗民，战国末年迁至浙江南部地区。

　　１１.福建：多为汉族与闽越混血后裔，福建的畲族是闽越的土著居民。台湾的高山族也来源于闽越。

　　１２.江西、湖南、湖北：多为汉人与土家人、苗人，土家人来自古中原汉族。

　　１３.广东、广西：多为汉人与南越人混血后裔，两广和福建的客家人为中原汉族直系后裔。广西的壮族为古南越居民。广西的京族与越南人同源。

　　１４.海南：为汉人与南越、闽越混血，海南黎族说闽语，黎族为闽越直系后裔。

　　１５.贵州：多为汉人与西南诸夷混血，贵州境内的侗族、布依族都是古夜郎居民。

　　１６.重庆、四川：多为中原汉族与古巴蜀汉人，部分人有西羌人血统。据考证巴蜀文明起源于三星堆文化。

　　１７.云南：云南人的血统极其复杂，大部分为汉人与南诏人、白蛮人等西南诸夷混血。云南的白族是大理国的建立者。云南的傣族与泰国人同源。云南的纳西族来自于古羌族。

　　１８.西藏：大部分为藏族人，藏族来自于古吐蕃人。古吐蕃人又是羌人迁到青藏高原后形成的。

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The thread about race and genetic is not allowed on this forum.

 

[Fattyacids]

The thread about race and genetic is not allowed on this forum.

This is a troll trap. I didn't know we have a heavy Siberian admixture

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

This is a troll trap. I didn't know we have a heavy Siberian admixture

And i am sure it will get soon deleted by the mod since it is violating the board's rule.

 

[ManUNITEDglory]

The thread about race and genetic is not allowed on this forum.

Well it proves that military invasions and migrants did exist and contributed to their modern DNA. This proves with claims

 

This is a troll trap. I didn't know we have a heavy Siberian admixture

Siberian admixture aka as mongolian admixture.

North Chinese have the highest from 6 - 12% sometimes even 22-30%

South Chinese lowest from 2-5% sometimes 9%

 

[Fattyacids]

Well it proves that military invasions and migrants did exist and contributed to their modern DNA. This proves with claims

 


Siberian admixture aka as mongolian admixture.

Siberian admixture aka as mongolian admixture.??? Epic fail.

 

[ManUNITEDglory]

Siberian admixture aka as mongolian admixture.??? Epic fail.

Not epic failed. Mongolians are closely related with Buryats, Tungustic tribes, Mongolic tribes who predominate the Siberian component which is different. Koreans, Manchus, Japanese are closer to Siberian component the difference is they also have high East Asian admixture. North Chinese are East Asians with the highest Siberian components.

 

[Wholegrain]

Almost every Chinese today is formed from a mixture of military invasion and migrants which is different to India genetic history. However there is some great similarity in term of geographic/genetics. Like the North Indians/Pakistan have blood of Iranian/Arab/Mongol/Turkic blood but in smaller quantity while South Indian have some north Indian blood but also in smaller quantity but the low caste group of South India have none and therefore not mixed like South Indians.


North Chinese are genetically East Asians with heavy Siberian/Northeast Asian admixture from the countless Altaic nomadic invasions and so Mandarin is heavy Manchu influenced and the language is far from close to original Chinese. Although it's easy to learn it's sounds very ugly.


South Chinese are Southern ethnic minority with heavy East Asian blood from the North Chinese invaders. The dialects of Cantonese, Hakka, Hoklo are all very close and good preservation of Chinese with minor significant influences from ethnic minority, their languages all sound ugly too.


North and South Chinese are not pure. The pure Chinese are those modern chinese mongoloids from modern central China

What matters is the bottom part in the study. The yellow represents East Asian/Siberian mongoloid admixture and brown southern ethnic minority Mongoloid. As you can see Cantonese are 27 - 35% East Asian on average but are 46-49% Han Chinese. Some of the yellow could come from Siberians such as the Mongolian/Jin dynasty invasion so it's not entirely east Asian and completely Chinese.

What are you smoking? That image is from the study on "Genetic Structure of the Han Chinese Population Revealed by Genome-wide SNP Variation" and it says nothing about Siberians and northeast asians.

http://download.cell.com/AJHG/mmcs/journals/0002-9297/PIIS0002929709004716.mmc1.pdf

Genetic Structure of the Han Chinese Population Revealed by Genome-wide SNP Variation

This is what the explanation for the image on the study actually says.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929709004716

Figure 3.

Estimated Population Structure by STRUCTURE for K = 2 and K = 3

Each individual is represented by a thin vertical line, and each province is demarcated by a thick vertical black line. The provinces are arranged from north to south, with JPT on the extreme left, representing the northernmost locality, to Liaoning, the northernmost province of China investigated in this study. The Guangdong individuals were grouped into the three dialect groups of Teochew, Hakka and Cantonese. These were then followed by the samples from the two metropolitan cities of Beijing (represented by CHB) and Shanghai, as well as the overseas Chinese community in Singapore. In K = 2, the northern provinces are clearly anchored by the JPT, with a huge membership of northern samples (represented by the yellow segment). The northern membership decreases gradually down to the southern provinces, which show a strong membership of southern samples (represented by the brown segment). At K = 3, JPT is clearly separated from the Han Chinese samples. The analysis revealed a demarcation of north-central-south similar to that shown by Figure 2. The Beijing, Shanghai and Singapore samples showed a clear mixture of southern (long brown lines) and northern (shorter brown lines) individuals, as compared to the provincial samples. The three dialect samples from the Guangdong province were also different from each other, with Teochew being more similar to individuals from the provinces of Hunan and Cantonese being the most southern representative.

You don't seem to understand how ethnicity worked in China. Children automatically took after their father's ethnicity. If someone's father was Han, their children would be Han, if someone's father was Mongol, the children would be Mongol, if someone's father was Manchu, the children would be Manchu. Northern Han do not have heavy northeast asian admixture from invasions.

《人口研究》 - 中国各地DNA数据
Cantonese people


Cantonese father line: the more people O1 descent 40% , 10% Qinhan Han ethnic origin , Song Han Chinese ancestry 50%

Cantonese mother line : Vietnamese descent 80% , 20% Han Chinese ancestry .

( however other Cantonese groups like Taishanese people have 45% O2a and 55% O3 Han paternal DNA but surprisingly 67% North Han maternal DNA and only 33% Vietnamese)


Fujianese people

Fujianese paternal line : 50% of the Han Chinese , Miao Yao ( mainly referring shes ) O3d descent 10% , 30% more people O1 descent , Brown Ethnicity CD ancestry 10% ;

Fujianese maternal line: The more people 50% , 10% brown race , Miao Yao 10% , Han 30%.

Hakka people

Hakka people paternal line: Qinhan Han family 10% , 30% of Song Han , Miao and Yao ( mainly referring shes ) O3d descent 30% , the more people O1
Descent 10% , 10% brown Ethnicity C descent ;

Hakka maternal line: The more people 30% , 10% brown race , Miao Yao 30% , Han 30%.



Jiangxi people

Jiangxi people paternal line: 50% of Chinese descent , Miao Yao O3d descent 20% , brown ethnic origin 10% C , 20% more people O1 descent ;

Jiangxi maternal line: The more people 30% , 10% brown race , Miao Yao 20% , Han 40%.


Mandarin speakers of very north


paternal line: descent 90% Han Chinese , 5% of the Altai P descent ,

maternal line 90% of Chinese descent , descent 1% P Altai Altai mutation

However other study shows as much as 10-22% Altaic Y-DNA and mtDNA in North Chinese and in Liaoning province is 30-40%

大中华文明圈各地域人们的血统构成，例：大和民族九州岛父系—汉族血统40%... – 【人人分享-人人网】

http://www.mitbbs.com/bbsann2/news.faq/Military/D12627577752U0/M.1301167424_2.q0/中国及东亚人血统----DNA数据zz

1. Yue in that context does not mean Vietnamese. The yue who lived in Guangdong were Tai people related to the Zhuang, the Cantonese have Tai maternal lineage, not Vietnamese.

2. Perhaps you did not notice that Liaoning is home to several million Manchu people.

 

[ManUNITEDglory]

What are you smoking? That image is from the study on "Genetic Structure of the Han Chinese Population Revealed by Genome-wide SNP Variation" and it says nothing about Siberians and northeast asians.

http://download.cell.com/AJHG/mmcs/journals/0002-9297/PIIS0002929709004716.mmc1.pdf

Genetic Structure of the Han Chinese Population Revealed by Genome-wide SNP Variation

This is what the explanation for the image on the study actually says.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929709004716



You don't seem to understand how ethnicity worked in China. Children automatically took after their father's ethnicity. If someone's father was Han, their children would be Han, if someone's father was Mongol, the children would be Mongol, if someone's father was Manchu, the children would be Manchu. Northern Han do not have heavy northeast asian admixture from invasions.



大中华文明圈各地域人们的血统构成，例：大和民族九州岛父系—汉族血统40%... – 【人人分享-人人网】

http://www.mitbbs.com/bbsann2/news.faq/Military/D12627577752U0/M.1301167424_2.q0/中国及东亚人血统----DNA数据zz

1. Yue in that context does not mean Vietnamese. The yue who lived in Guangdong were Tai people related to the Zhuang, the Cantonese have Tai maternal lineage, not Vietnamese.

2. Perhaps you did not notice that Liaoning is home to several million Manchu people.

Genetic components of Han Chinese.

Yellow = represents East Asian
Brown = represents southeast asian

But think of if this way. Because the component of East Asian is very similar to Siberian that is why they are in the same color. Do you honestly think that after so much invasion from Altaic even before Altaic left no DNA admixture?

 

[Wholegrain]

Genetic components of Han Chinese.

Yellow = represents East Asian
Brown = represents southeast asian

But think of if this way. Because the component of East Asian is very similar to Siberian that is why they are in the same color. Do you honestly think that after so much invasion from Altaic even before Altaic left no DNA admixture?

I don't know what is in your pipe. Siberian and Mongol autosomnal DNA is different from East Asian.

 

[ManUNITEDglory]

I don't know what is in your pipe. Siberian and Mongol autosomnal DNA is different from East Asian.

Exactly they are different. However why do you suppose their is 3x to 6x more Siberian component in North Chinese than SOUTH?