Divides in Indian Society.

[Grevion]

thing is they are so frustated and hopeless about any signs of improovement in there nation that they get solace from if anything goes wrong in there enemies home ... i wonder what they call this attitude mayoosee , behissee or ehsaas e kamtarri

That has been there attitude since 1947. There own house is burning but they are happy to see the flame hurting ours.

There is something (some things?) I would like to say in brief.

These are unquiet times. There have been worse times before, in terms of riot and mayhem. What makes this different is that the people who have the levers of administration in their hands are seen by some of us as irresponsible people, people who cannot see any harm in misusing their public offices for parochial purposes.

The egregious right wing was NOT voted into power to spread its right wing nonsense. It was voted into power due to the horrifying levels of corruption displayed during UPAII. This touched upon a sensitive spot for the emerging middle class, which is in its composition hugely different from the earlier middle class.

Consider that at the time of independence, approximately 80% of the population was in villages; today approximately 65% is. There has been a flooding Indian citiies

The main reason for me to vote against the UPA2 was because of the arrogance they showed handling the 'India Against Corruption' movement and the 4th june incident of Ram Lila Maidan (Baton Charge at midnight on the people protesting peacefully while they were sleeping) and the statements of the union minister that followed. "These people cannot challenge the Parliament" said the MPs that time.
While they forgot that the people who elected them few years ago are the same people who are sitting there doing 'Anshan' and protesting peacefully.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Indians chose Narendra Modi , not because of his RSS background ,but his development agenda .
In that front he did a decent job .But the parasites around him destroyed all those effort.

Yes.
No.
No.

 

[SrNair]

Yes.
No.
No.

Why did those become two No'?
Economy ??
Ok ,7.5%

Second would be a partial no .Because if these same Modi ttries to suppress those radical voice ,these same media and same civil society will attack him for freedom suppression.

 

[Yaduveer]

And now pseudo intellectuals take over

 

[Grevion]

Why did those become two No'?
Economy ??
Ok ,7.5%

Second would be a partial no .Because if these same Modi ttries to suppress those radical voice ,these same media and same civil society will attack him for freedom suppression.

His economic policy is OK as he said at the Facebook town hall that his dream is to take India upto a 20 trillion dollar economy (PPP) and that is a very good thing about him.
Second -He could have asked his people to shut up.

 

[Joe Shearer]

And now pseudo intellectuals take over

Consider it thrown.

Indians chose Narendra Modi , not because of his RSS background ,but his development agenda .
In that front he did a decent job .But the parasites around him destroyed all those effort.

He didn't do much to disavow those parasites. He didn't treat them like parasites. This is a lame excuse after the thumping defeat. As is the bleating about caste.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Buddy .
Indians knows how to differentiate the weeds and grains .We know how to consider rants of our politicians .
Political ranting is not a new thing in this nation.
But hate of Indians touched its everest point ,not because of politicians but the real time genocide in 26/11.
Indians irrespective of the difference had some concession towards Pakistan in pre 26/11.
But those massacre changes entire attitude .Look at the recent ranting of Sena .They didnt mentioned 4 wars that we fought each other and numerous terrorist cases.But 26/11 to ghereo your singers and officials.

This is very true. This is something that will not go away in a hurry. I started visiting Pakistani web-sites after 26/11, to find out who could want to kill so many people in cold blood, and why. Even today, when someone talked lightly and in a flippant way about that killing, it was very upsetting; that someone was a very senior and very respected person on PDF, and it hurt all the more that such a person should fail to understand how deeply this had affected every Indian.

His economic policy is OK as he said at the Facebook town hall that his dream is to take India upto a 20 trillion dollar economy (PPP) and that is a very good thing about him.
Second -He could have asked his people to shut up.

So what? From Narasimha Rao onwards, who has not wished to take Indian economy to the heights? Every single politician in Indian affairs with any responsibility at the centre has hoped for that.

And, as you say, he could have asked his people to shut up. As you didn't say, he didn't.

 

[Spectre]

This is very true. This is something that will not go away in a hurry. I started visiting Pakistani web-sites after 26/11, to find out who could want to kill so many people in cold blood, and why. Even today, when someone talked lightly and in a flippant way about that killing, it was very upsetting; that someone was a very senior and very respected person on PDF, and it hurt all the more that such a person should fail to understand how deeply this had affected every Indian.



So what? From Narasimha Rao onwards, who has not wished to take Indian economy to the heights? Every single politician in Indian affairs with any responsibility at the centre has hoped for that.

And, as you say, he could have asked his people to shut up. As you didn't say, he didn't.

What do you think the post Bihar strategy would be in Assam and then again in UP?

1. Middle Ground - More of this Jekyll and Hyde act where they seek to gain votes with dual strategies of development for urban middle class and polarization for the rural Hindus knowing well Muslim doors are closed to them.

This has been a hit and miss strategy often backfiring but it did land them a historic mandate at the center

2. Extreme Hindutva Plank - Stuff of RSS wet-dreams but carries the risk of alienating urban and secular Hindus and other minorities who may have otherwise voted for them.

Never been tried but has high probability of success - would need preparation and narrative building which would make Gujarat after riots seem like a Xanadu. Serious implication on Indian unity and an attack of founding principles of India. But this would win votes and re-define India once and for all. Muslims and others would have to get on with the new reality or emigrate.

3. Strictly pro-development Plank - Had been tried by erstwhile NDA under Vajpayee and was an unmitigated disaster. In this case various other factors which conflict with development come into play and build a narrative against Govt on the lines of Anti-Poor, Anti-Reservations, Anti Unions, Anti Farmers etc. This strategy can be easily hijacked by regional parties and Congress considering the relative immaturity of Indian Voters

Regards

@nair @scorpionx @Sky lord and my friends from the right @SarthakGanguly @Star Wars your views are welcome

 

[vsdoc]

What do you think the post Bihar strategy would be in Assam and then again in UP?

1. Middle Ground - More of this Jekyll and Hyde act where they seek to gain votes with dual strategies of development for urban middle class and polarization for the rural Hindus knowing well Muslim doors are closed to them.

This has been a hit and miss strategy often backfiring but it did land them a historic mandate at the center

2. Extreme Hindutva Plank - Stuff of RSS wet-dreams but carries the risk of alienating urban and secular Hindus and other minorities who may have otherwise voted for them.

Never been tried but has high probability of success - would need preparation and narrative building which would make Gujarat after riots seem like a Xanadu. Serious implication on Indian unity and an attack of founding principles of India. But this would win votes and re-define India once and for all. Muslims and others would have to get on with the new reality or emigrate.

3. Strictly pro-development Plank - Had been tried by erstwhile NDA under Vajpayee and was an unmitigated disaster. In this case various other factors which conflict with development come into play and build a narrative against Govt on the lines of Anti-Poor, Anti-Reservations, Anti Unions, Anti Farmers etc. This strategy can be easily hijacked by regional parties and Congress considering the relative immaturity of Indian Voters

Regards

@nair @scorpionx @Sky lord and my friends from the right @SarthakGanguly @Star Wars your views are welcome

Did you tag me ?

 

[Spectre]

Did you tag me ?

Yes I did, I think that I deleted it inadvertently when editing the post.

 

[nForce]

So what? From Narasimha Rao onwards, who has not wished to take Indian economy to the heights? Every single politician in Indian affairs with any responsibility at the centre has hoped for that.

And, as you say, he could have asked his people to shut up. As you didn't say, he didn't.

People heard news all the time about the development in Gujarat. I have been in many places in Gujarat. The development that has happened there is quite apparent.
So, people wanted to vote for someone, who not only talks the talk, but also walks the walk.
What was the next best option ?

 

[vsdoc]

Yes I did, I think that I deleted it inadvertently when editing the post.

So Lalu and Nitish again.

And Biharis keep streaming into Maharashtra.

How cute.

 

[scorpionx]

What do you think the post Bihar strategy would be in Assam and then again in UP?

In my opinion, they need to get themselves down from the high horse first; get rid off the superiority complex that has made them ferociously arrogant and also from the self-comforting idea that Hindus can be polarized on religious grounds. This basic observation, apparently they still have not learnt from the last few elections post 2014. What would be the ground strategy for success, may be a resident of those two states can tell better but in my state where assembly election is due only in the next year, they have not even shown little interest in winning a considerably respectable vote share. They are a disorganized, undisciplined lot led by an equally incompetent captain who is just as puzzled as you or me.

 

[Joe Shearer]

People heard news all the time about the development in Gujarat. I have been in many places in Gujarat. The development that has happened there is quite apparent.
So, people wanted to vote for someone, who not only talks the talk, but also walks the walk.
What was the next best option ?

When we went to IIM Ahmedabad in 1973, Gujarat was already ahead of the rest of india in several vital characteristics. When I stayed in Vadodara through 1984 and a little more, Gujarat was still ahead of the pack.
It was not due to one superhuman who single-handedly cut through the red tape and produced miraculous results. That crap can impress only those who don't see the numbers and don't watch to see who generates those numbers. I have no faith in a system that encourages 'robber baron' type of operations.

 

[nForce]

So Lalu and Nitish again.

And Biharis keep streaming into Maharashtra.

How cute.

Nobody asks that question when the steel produced from Bihar is used in Maharashtra.