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Diversion of US aid - Indian propaganda exposed

We all know where his statements are meant to take effect. And behind the scenes that effect will be taking place. If you want to call these protests crying, call it. So far as the objective is achieved Tharoor would not mind being called a cry baby by a bunch of people on some forums. He is doing his duty, backing up his lobbyists in decision making bodies all oer the world who do it silently. I think he is doing his job well. Don't you think so?
The same goes with all of India's protests against arms supply to Pakistan. Call it crying, whining, refer to Oxford or urban dictionary and find the meanest, dirtiest word for it. For all he cares...
 
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We all know where his statements are meant to take effect. And behind the scenes that effect will be taking place. If you want to call these protests crying, call it. So far as the objective is achieved Tharoor would not mind being called a cry baby by a bunch of people on some forums. He is doing his duty, backing up his lobbyists in decision making bodies all oer the world who do it silently. I think he is doing his job well. Don't you think so?
The same goes with all of India's protests against arms supply to Pakistan. Call it crying, whining, refer to Oxford or urban dictionary and find the meanest, dirtiest word for it. For all he cares...

Agreed.

This latest temper tantrum is part of the ongoing anti-Pakistan media and diplomatic campaign.

That's the way GOI operates. First the RAW-influenced media creates a stir, then the "concerned" diplomats step in, and the Indian lobbies in other countries take over.
 
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When Indians cry world comes to console the Indians against those who made them cry.... Better then some others who have to weep in isolation....:victory::victory:

For this you will be keep dreaming and if push comes to shove Pakistan will grow it's boarder same as Arabs did 1000 years ago, " How did you like that? not good right! " ok then:disagree: :pakistan::china::usflag:
 
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For this you will be keep dreaming and if push comes to shove Pakistan will grow it's boarder same as Arabs did 1000 years ago, " How did you like that? not good right! " ok then:disagree: :pakistan::china::usflag:

1000 years ago.... Face the sunshine dear...... its 2009 not 1009....

And how will you do that....:rofl:

Boss forget expanding your borders. You claim kashmir for past 62 years and are not able to do anything about it though you lost some of your borders.... welcome to 2009
 
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Buddy world called the Islamabad bombing, Pakistan's 9/11 But it doesn't mean it is, same goes for India, My friend until it's their personal problem, they don't give a dam about Asia, Live in peace:smitten:
 
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Interestingly, none of the authorities have issued an outright denial of the claim made by Musharaaf. There are doubts expressed over his motives behind these revelations, but mostly they seem to agree to the statement and the disappointed over the revelation.

Musharraf playing dirty games in desperation

Tuesday September 15, 2009 (1055 PST)
SLAMABAD: General (retd) Pervez Musharraf’s latest statement that Pakistan had diverted the US aid and ammunition, given to Islamabad for the war on terror, against India is considered here as a great disservice to Pakistan and may create more problems for the country internationally.

Some former generals believe that the ousted dictator is playing into the hands of enemies of Pakistan. However, the Foreign Office is cautiously evaluating the ousted dictator’s latest “revelations”, but is not willing to offer any comment at this stage. Sources in the government, however, said that Musharraf threw a spanner in its efforts to re-negotiate the Kerry-Lugar bill in the interest of Pakistan.

Musharraf’s loose talk on the US aid and his claim that the Pakistan Army, the then government and the agencies were hand in glove with him, both in his unconstitutional action of November 3 and in the murder of Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti, have also created ripples within the establishment.

No one knows what Musharraf wanted to gain by denting the interest of Pakistan with his irresponsible statement, but the fact remains that he has created more enemies at home. Despite repeated attempts made by a staffer of our sources, ISPR DG Maj-Gen Athar Abbas was not available for comments. But Musharraf’s utterance is said to have upset many in the establishment.

“Army would be very upset with this,” defence analyst Lt-Gen (retd) Talat Masud said, adding that the statement of Musharraf would undermine the position of Pakistan. Former ISI chief Lt-Gen (retd) Hamid Gul, however, was of the view that Musharraf was playing into the hands of the enemies of Pakistan and at the moment, he was perhaps creating a situation where the US would demand to deploy its Marines and security contractors in Pakistan to watch the interests of Washington.

Foreign Office spokesman Abdul Basit, when approached, did not offer any comment on the issue, but sources in the Foreign Ministry said the top mandarins in the FO had discussed what they called Musharraf’s “loose talk”.

A source said they did not know what made Musharraf to say that Pakistan had used the US aid, including military equipment and ammunition that were given to use against Taliban and al-Qaeda, against India. “There has been no war with India, so there is no question of using the American aid and ammunition against it,” a senior Foreign Ministry source said, admitting that Musharraf had created more problems for Pakistan internationally.

Lt-Gen (retd) Talat Masud said that in his view, Musharraf wanted to save his skin by dragging others, including the institutions of the Army and the intelligence agencies, in his actions, including the Nov-3 step and the murder of Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti.

Masud said Musharraf wanted his guilt to be shared with others, so that he was absolved from being tried under the Article 6 or booked under murder charges. He reminded the ousted dictator of the fact that he was not leading a political or democratic set-up, but an authoritarian system, where his subordinates and other government players were not given freedom to disagree with him.

Regarding the statement of Musharraf on the US military aid and its diversion by Pakistan against India, Masud said: “I am so disappointed by this statement of Musharraf.” He said the utterance of Musharraf would undermine the position of Pakistan. He lamented that what Musharraf said would have served music to New Delhi’s ear.

Hamid Gul said the statement of Musharraf on the US aid was a very unkind cut to Pakistan and yet another of his great disservice to the country. He said the statement of Musharraf would pave the way for further UN intervention in Pakistan. Gul said the Americans would now demand that they wanted the Marines and the security contractors to be in Pakistan to ensure that the aid they gave was not misused.

About the statement of the ousted dictator involving the Army and the intelligence agencies in his Nov 3 action and Bugti’s killing, Hamid Gul said Musharraf was doing all that to save himself from being tried under Article 6 of the Constitution. Gul said that the trial of Musharraf was imminent besides other things to prove that there was no statutory recourse in the military for anyone if he refused to carry out unlawful orders of the high command.

He said that only the trial of Musharraf would find an answer to the fundamental question that what protection did an Army officer or Jawan had to say no to the unconstitutional and unlawful command of his superiors.

He said the Nov-3 action of Musharraf was unconstitutional, but no officer in the Army had any statutory recourse to say no to his unconstitutional actions. If Musharraf could remove dozens of judges of the superior judiciary because they were not toeing his line, the Army officers, including even the general officers serving under him, were far more vulnerable to have been removed at the stroke of a pen, if they would have chosen to differ with him, he added.

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Agreed.

This latest temper tantrum is part of the ongoing anti-Pakistan media and diplomatic campaign.

That's the way GOI operates. First the RAW-influenced media creates a stir, then the "concerned" diplomats step in, and the Indian lobbies in other countries take over.

But its true right? India has every reason to be concerned if Pakistan gets arms. And I see nothing wrong in what India is doing. Violence is no answer to every question.:cheers: You make it sound like it is foul play.
I would not call it campaign just a defense check. Also India does not block any developmental work in Pakistan.

Ohh please RAW cannot even help itself let alone influence media. And Indian media(some groups) is self styled war monger.:P
 
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I would not call it campaign just a defense check.

tomayto, tomahto. :)

I would respect honest, aboveboard complaints by GOI. What's deceptive is the roundabout media circus route and the Indian insinuation that laws were broken and Musharraf did something illegal, which he clearly didn't.
 
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In my opinion,

1)Musharraf thinks he is immortal.

2)He is always right.

3)He is the most loyal person to his country(i think he is confused with the meanings of country, by country he meant the country that he has designed within himself having him as its king till eternity)

4)He has a very strong chance of becoming head of the state again.


The answer to all his assertions is:-

He was, He is and will always be remembered as the greatest TRAITOR of pakistan.
 
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One country's legal is another's legal. The word legal goes meaningless here. It was just a concern which he voiced which is a fact. Where exactly is the media circus route? Media has to report such a dignitary's comment, thats what it does. Besides no blanket statement for the entire Indian media applies here. The respectable ones write about the incident correctly and they are the ones that people concerned read. Lame excuse.
So how would you think an overboard complaint by India should be?
Just because you do not have the means does not mean the other guy should keep his similar means idle to play with you. Especially when it is not causing harm to anyone.

There was no tomato. Probably you cooked one.:P
 
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One country's legal is another's legal. The word legal goes meaningless here. It was just a concern which he voiced which is a fact. Where exactly is the media circus route? Media has to report such a dignitary's comment, thats what it does. Besides no blanket statement for the entire Indian media applies here. The respectable ones write about the incident correctly and they are the ones that people concerned read. Lame excuse.
So how would you think an overboard complaint by India should be?
Just because you do not have the means does not mean the other guy should keep his similar means idle to play with you. Especially when it is not causing harm to anyone.

There was no tomato. Probably you cooked one.:P

Compare the two scenarios:

1. Illegal: Pakistan says it wants to buy weapon X, but then quietly uses the money to buy weapon Y.

2. Legal: Pakistan buys X, uses it for the stated purpose, and years later, as part of normal troop rotation, the weapon moves to another location.

Musharraf's admits #2. India disingenuously imples that #1 occured. That is deliberate misinformation.

Like I said, if India wants to prevent Pakistan from obtaining weapons, that is understandable and GOI will do what it wants to do. But to lie and deliberately promote false information is dishonorable. Especially when it is done in an underhanded, indirectly way through the media, so the government can distance itself if the ploy doesn't work.
 
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USA and Musharraf are like Puppet and Puppeteer. Musharraf can never say anything which is against his personal interest as he is eying on the seat of presidency yet again and having Americans go against him, specially at this crucial when he is desperate to be accepted, is something he would not imagine in yet another life time.

You need to understand at what time is he making these revelations? There is no issue of American-Pakistan/Indian Aid under discussion. No one has asked Pakistan to show its usage of money neither anybody is interested in what Pakistan has got against India at present. This is all intended to get into lime-light and a desperate attempt to make himself seen in "positive" news. Unfortunately that retired/retard brain is only working as much as it used to work the moment it was in presidency. Musharraf is under-estimating maturity of Pakistani Nation and awakening media that would not anybody stand and clap in the favor of Musharraf. People in Pakistan and abroad are fully aware of American-Musharraf intentions and Americans are seen equally desperate to penetrate deeper into the roots of Pakistan and Musharraf would be the best facilitator, even better than Zardari.

Game is on and now its time to prove who is better pet of American. Politicians in power have shown their side well and not its Musharraf's turn to prove how loyal he is to his masters but before he could prove further, he is looking for an opportunity to hold back to its seat again.

Americans who are ready to inspect 30 years old supply of Harpoon on the slightest clues of its misuse would not budge or initiate any investigation over this huge revelation and violation of agreements and so far we have seen nothing either. This statement by Musharraf must have been made after taking Americans into confidence and the sole purpose of this advertisement is to make People of Pakistan fool, yet again.
 
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Yawn.
The aid "diversion" has been debunked already. Please see this post for more information:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...target-terrorists-musharraf-7.html#post482900

A State Department official said the "allegations were not specific" and as of now the US was not aware of any such violations

In other words, nothing. Zip, zilch, nada, bupkis.

Indian media is pissing in the wind.

Musharraf admitted that he had violated the rules governing the use of the military aid

No he didn't. And TOI repeating a false allegation will not make it true.

The Times of India

Enough said.
 
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Dahhh


Arms given with predetermined aim and object: U.S.
Updated at: 0946 PST, Tuesday, September 15, 2009
WASHINGTON: U.S. said that the purpose and use of the arms given to Pakistan are determined with mutual consent.

U.S. State Department spokesperson in a press briefing told this here. When the attention of the spokesman was drawn to a recent interview of former president Pervez Musharraf disclosing that he had deployed the U.S. provided arms on Indian front, the spokesperson told that Pervez Musharraf in his interview has provided scant detail and more information would be required for making any comments on his statement and added that so far U.S. was concerned it takes every allegation of misuse of U.S. weapons for purposes other than agreed upon.

U.S. spokesperson replying to another question said that he was not aware whether this matter came under discussion in Washington meeting between the foreign minister of Indian and U.S. State Department Secretary.


Arms given with predetermined aim and object: U.S. - GEO.tv
 
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