Disturbing narrative developing in the #US for #Pakistan.

[American Pakistani]

This is your opposition party view on NOC for Raheel Shareef
https://www.dawn.com/news/1323049

https://www.samaa.tv/pakistan/2017/05/pakistan-to-allay-irans-concerns-on-saudi-military-alliance/

https://www.dawn.com/news/1172229/p...nflict-that-divides-muslim-ummah-khawaja-asif

 

[CHACHA"G"]

USA leaving Afghans , now they want scapegoat and we are that goat . Max some sanctions , from USA and may be from EU, But Russia and China will stay on our side.
USA also having problems with us for not joining KSA alliance against Iran . One thing is very clear , India will not attack Pakistan for USA they are not that fools , and even USA will not attack Pakistan,reason for that (jin ki jan jis totay main hai us totay ki garden humaray hath main hai)

 

[wiseone2]

Not according to those who dispute the events LOL

if there are facts that contradict the official version please let them out
Pakistan is in a better position than anyone to contradict the American official version

For the record I would have liked the press to see Osama's dead body

 

[LeGenD]

No journalist is insane enough to destroy his reputation on such a sensitive matter. Seymour Hersh isn't some ordinary reporter. We all know his credentials.

According to you we are supposed to believe the tales of those people who have habit of making up lies, but not an investigative journalist who has his own sources?

In this era of yellow journalism, no journalist have credibility or is completely trustworthy. I know (through personal insight) how credible even renowned journalists are - they are all into narrative building and publicity for personal gains in the end.

Seymour Hersh wasn't an insider and his account is based on the account of "a disgruntled Pakistani military officer." In-fact, his account implicates Pakistani establishment for sheltering OBL in Abbottabad which is utter nonsense.

If Hersh's account is to be believed, then Pakistan is not a trustworthy ally and should be held accountable for its collusion with most wanted terrorists. Come on, man.

 

[Majid Awan]

Well the drones would be flying across Pakistan from joint US-India bases. You can be assured of that.

stop wet dreaming..and if it happens, drones would be flying downward from the sky NOT across Pakistan

 

[wiseone2]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1172229/p...nflict-that-divides-muslim-ummah-khawaja-asif

I am fine with the official narrative.
Spare me this babble about neutrality

Pakistan cannot afford to alienate the Saudis. You are dependent on them for employment for expatriates and purchase of hydrocarbons.

 

[Pakistani E]

Don't oversimplify Western perceptions regarding Pakistan through the American prism.

Many Western nations have good relations with Pakistan. Pakistan has received a GSP+ status from the EU on the basis that its economy lost out during the American warmongering in Afghanistan. That is nothing short of recognition the sacrifices made by Pakistan. Something that cannot be said about our supposedly American ally who only knows how to provide bribe aid to our leaders.

You don't seem to grasp the situation in neighboring Pakistan. This isn't about terrorism, Haqqani, Taliban blah blah blah. This is much broader. This is about power projection and control. Pakistan just happens to be caught in the midst of a struggle between major powers. We have made our choice. The Americans are losers and cannot accept the new reality. They cannot accept Pakistan breaking its shackles and freeing itself from blackmail and bullying. The Americans have always dealt with Pakistan like a client state. The Americans have become addicted to the slave master relationship and we are partly to blame, but we are trying to rectify that situation. The Americans response is to be expected.

I am not simplifying, just stating my opinion based on interactions with certain people. Being added to GSP+ scheme is not really achievement in my eyes. It doesn't show any influence of Pakistani diplomacy or great breakthrough in providing Pakistan some great economical leverage.

The GSP+ is designed to promote Labour rights and improve economic conditions etc, something that's part of the E.U's own agenda. All you have to do is sign up and ratify a few conditions. Please don't tell me you take this as part of some great achievement. Because I don't.

With regards to comparison with American aid, why do we accept it then? Our military gets regular reimbursements for services provided. Why does the military allow these conditions to develop where they have to accept reimbursements? And it is definitely not the aid that allows the U.S to project power, when Musharraf joined the WOT, it wasn't because of issues with AID corrupting our elite.

This is the perception that the world had in the after math of 9/11: We were one of only two countries who had supported and recognized a regime which was believed by most neutral observers to have a pitiful record on protecting the rights of its citizens, had provided shelter to thousands of extremists and exported global terrorism and committed crimes against humanity. It had sheltered a man who was responsible for the death of thousands of civilians. Tell me why our establishment chose such cretins as our best buddies and providers of strategic depth, when they never actually bothered to solve the border issue and refused to accept the Durand line?

Also, tell me why Musharraf was cowed by the Americans then? Was it Aid that the Americans threatened to stop? Which of these western allied nations stood with Pakistan when this happened? And what was the reasons why they sided with America over Pakistan on this matter? So we not only loose the good will of the international community, we have to join a war that kills thousands of Pakistanis, the regime we supported never actually sorted out any border issues, on the contrary, the ideology we supported was used to rouse up misguided people against our own state. Is this an achievement?

And now, what is the perception of the world in the aftermath of OBL's death: We either purposely allowed OBL in this country or our state institutions are such failures that they did not that the world's most wanted man was living for years in a garrison town. Please tell me which perception you prefer? Because on both, we are screwed. We as a nation have been labelled as state sponsors of terrorism, and I see nothing being done by the state of Pakistan to rectify this. Well nothing apart from saying, "don't dare to threaten us, or we will join Russia and China". Seriously? None of these countries are going to fight the U.S on our behalf.

As I said previously, I am not stating why America is doing what it is doing, I am asking what have our actions being apart from knee-jerk reactions and empty chest thumping? What have we achieved in Afghanistan? What have we achieved in Kashmir? What is the standing of Pakistan in the world today? Why does our establishment continue to make decisions that continue to make things worse for Pakistan and will anyone ever be held accountable for all the follies that have been accomplished by their actions?

As for the government of Pakistan, this is nothing new. Pakistan never had capable civilian leaders able to steer the country in the right direction. Panama is the reality and we all know how corrupt our rulers are. Don't tell me that we never saw this coming. The whole world knows it. Are you surprised at Nawaz Sharif's inability to defend Pakistan in the face of these significant developments? LOL I am not. This is what you get when you elect leaders like Zardari and Nawaz Sharif. Much of the fault lies with the people of Pakistan.

Don't have any expectations from the Pakistani elite to defend their country. This country has always been and will continue to be defended by you know who.

I understand the frustration you have expressed regarding our leaders in general. Many Pakistanis are dealing with the same feelings. Unfortunately at times as a nation we lack coherence and unity. We have a lot to learn in that regard. After the independence we gained we never had a patriotic leader who could truly rally the masses under a single banner. It has always been about regional politics

No disagreements here.

 

[SQ8]

You indicated Pakistan is important because of Senatorial visits. You have a point. Pakistan is important to USA because of your proximity to Afghanistan. Let us leave it at that. Afghanistan is not the only thing of interest to USA happening in this world

Until 1998 I believe US Presidents made the same number of visits to India and Pakistan. Does it mean Pakistan was more important than India ?

Most Indians do not think India is the center of the universe. India's foreign policy reflects it. Kazakhstan has less than 10% of Pakistan's population. The Kazakh government is not doing anything remotely bad or news worthy.

The point behind listing the top 10 countries for Congressional visits is to show where Pakistan stood in the grand scheme of things

That is the Indian mentality, we dont measure Pakistan and US versus India alone. We have expats there we need money sent back home, we have education needs. In the grand scheme of things Pakistan was first in 1960 when the US needed an ally, back then it was two powers controlling the world; today its three or more. Thankfully our leadership has figured that out much later than yours did, but more importantly; they have their ego at the door for the first time.. yours still has not.
Neither has your population, ironically.. Pakistan is becoming what India was in the late 90's and early 2000s..sensible and interested in getting more perspectives, while Indians are becoming Pakistan in the early 2000s, angry, extremist and self obsessed.

 

[American Pakistani]

I am fine with the official narrative.
Spare me this babble about neutrality

Pakistan cannot afford to alienate the Saudis. You are dependent on them for employment for expatriates and purchase of hydrocarbons.

Same goes for you. Which is why your modi visits them.

We don't give a hoot about what you gotta say, cuz we know Pakistan is neutral.

 

[Pakistani E]

yup UN mission having most number of troops which are from paksitan.
you completely lost your sense abottabad commision report i would like you to paste that report which was never been reveled to the public yeah where do you read that report
and for osama a man with hepatitis controlling a mission from a cave in afghanistan on a ventilator fooled world super power and their Airforce which were finding a jet which crashed in WTC for 2 hours
and for jets i have a very interesting story about it 2 jets crashed in the WTC which was build to tackle strongest flow of wind with reinforced steel burned it done to ashes but that same plane only able to do 4-5 meter whole in the pentagon and only damaged it have done was able to collapse 2 floors of the pentagon half of the world know who did 9/11 and it was not the first time they have done that go and search operation northwood

Isko per ke reply kerna:

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/spotlight/binladenfiles/

 

[maximuswarrior]

if there are facts that contradict the official version please let them out
Pakistan is in a better position than anyone to contradict the American official version

For the record I would have liked the press to see Osama's dead body

I don't think the onus is on Pakistan. The Americans are free to believe whatever they like, but so are we free to dispute the events. If this gives them closure so be it.

 

[salarsikander]

Huh........."your dog is dog, but my dog is Tommy"!!! Videos circulating on you tube of blindfold people standing in a line and shot from close range by an army squad is not from India!!!

Again. Bullshit walks reality talks.
And reality consists of blocking UN inspector, imposing curves, blocking internet access and putting up civilians on army jeep to avoid stone pelting. This all is widely recorded and circulated in all reputed newspapers and channels with full veracity.
Another reply off topic will be reported

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Finally the truth is coming out

You kidding me right? So when OBL was caught in Pakistan the huge 'rock' did not thump your head? Pakistan is entirely right in it's policy. I say this when I have soft spot for America but self interest comes first.

 

[Avicenna]

That is the Indian mentality, we dont measure Pakistan and US versus India alone. We have expats there we need money sent back home, we have education needs. In the grand scheme of things Pakistan was first in 1960 when the US needed an ally, back then it was two powers controlling the world; today its three or more. Thankfully our leadership has figured that out much later than yours did, but more importantly; they have their ego at the door for the first time.. yours still has not.
Neither has your population, ironically.. Pakistan is becoming what India was in the late 90's and early 2000s..sensible and interested in getting more perspectives, while Indians are becoming Pakistan in the early 2000s, angry, extremist and self obsessed.

Last sentence is very insightful.

 

[Maler]

Again. Bullshit walks reality talks.
And reality consists of blocking UN inspector, imposing curves, blocking internet access and putting up civilians on army jeep to avoid stone pelting. This all is widely recorded and circulated in all reputed newspapers and channels with full veracity.
Another reply off topic will be reported

We don't accept UN inspectors, So no reason of blocking on our side. All other things you have mentioned are similar or more grave in Baluchistan and are widely recorded & circulated in all reputed newspapers/channels or do you think Baluchistan is not in Pakistan or They are not human with human rights!!!

I am just replying to your off topic rants!!!