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Disoriented Altaf Hussein leading MQM

The thread is about Altaf Hussain going crazy and asking for coup d'etat. Nearly all parties and foreign governments have criticized Altaf Hussain. MQM has nobody else to blame then itself for this political fiasco. Altaf Hussain has shown himself to be completely out of touch and has no political instincts. Altaf Hussain is becoming a liability for MQM and Muhajirs. Feudalism is a completely different subject.

wel he has been away and please election results his partys popularity has increased so the number of seats.

This is mainly about fuedalism , this is what he said "" patriotic generals to take martial law LIKE steps """ Who are the corrupt politicians ?? he is refering fuedals
 
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To those who differ with him, tell me what solution do you have to root out this fuedalism ? who else can root this out ? lets hear it !
 
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wel he has been away and please election results his partys popularity has increased so the number of seats.

One of the reason is that Muhajir do not have an alternative party to vote. There was a split in MQM but MQM-Haqiqi was killed off my MQM goons. Now PPP, JI and PML have good chance to winning votes in Karachi if they talk about problems and solutions in Karachi. It is about time that MQM leader rethink about Altaf Hussian because he is liability than asset for Karachi. MQM has no political allies now and suits Altaf Hussain to play a victim. The problems of Karachi cannot be solved by sitting in opposition. Now all political parties in Pakistan will consider MQM to be unstable party and will not form coalition with them. We have to than Altaf Hussain for that.
 
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To those who differ with him, tell me what solution do you have to root out this fuedalism ? who else can root this out ? lets hear it !

Term "Feudalism" is what MQM sells to get votes. True its bad, true we don't want it in the country, true it must be rooted out but it is not the fundamental problem. Fundamental Problem is injustice and corruption and mis-governance. Were the same Feudal not there at the time of creation of Pakistan? Had we not lived with these feudal in the entire history of this area?

Just imagine if today all the feudalism is out and there is no capitalist in the country, will the direction of country get changed by that? It takes Justice, equality and creative thinking that derives nation on the path of progress.

And why do you think MQM actually wants to weed feudalism out? Feudel is not somebody who just owns land, every person who misuses his power and makes the poor do what he wants is also feudal. Now just go through past 10 years of MQM history and see how many times it misused its power?

And lastly, if we are looking cure for the fever, you don't eat a medicine that would treat fever but cause hepatitis in return. I personally know people who migrated other parts of the country because they couldn't sustain the bhatas and influences of this party which calls itself democratic.

In this time when no political party is delivering good, I tried to study ideology of every other option that I had and MQM was also among them, but after study I found this is not a political party yet. It might take take another 50 years to become a political party but at its present form, it is yet another flavor of feudalism instead of a solution to it.
 
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Yaar we are a muhajir family and i think MQM has totally devasted our identity, reversed our social integration and alienated us into society to the point of untouchables. My cousins are pukhtoon, part of my family is Punjabi and some have prominent ties with waderas sindhs. I see very few people around integrated to that extent. Many take pride in their "indian immigrant" roots and behave like refugees due to self victimisation mindset infused in them with MQM idealogy.
 
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=graphican;1100160]Term "Feudalism" is what MQM sells to get votes. True its bad, true we don't want it in the country, true it must be rooted out but it is not the fundamental problem. Fundamental Problem is injustice and corruption and mis-governance. Were the same Feudal not there at the time of creation of Pakistan? Had we not lived with these feudal in the entire history of this area?

Yes v correst MQM is the only one who took a stance against fuedals --- where does the fundamental issues u highlighted originate from what is the root cause please look around , most of PA and NA seats are occupied by who ? sharifs , bhuttos , zaradaris etc etc (they btw cousins and families ocupy most of the seats and land in Sind and punjab assemblies ) these areas are the most populated. Than comes baluchistan please refer to PA seats and see who the people are and what are their back ground are they inherited seats from their ancestors. Now these people dominate most of the agricultural or useful land & these areas are esp Sindh and punjab are the heaviest populated. Majorty of the vote bank comes from here ... ! Now if you do the math these so called elected leaders have a dictariol mindset and they arent democratically elected neither.

We have lived with the fuedals but this fuedal system has brought us to these limits today , is there any thing worse than this stage ? choice is ours if we some how fight the terrorism and restore what we had say before zia or shal i say Ayub khan than please note that this mess will reappear in another form. We rather focus on the root cause , i saw an article online here are some quotes as why fuedalism is the root of all evil ::


The fuedal mindset

The feudal consists of landlords with large joint families possessing thousands of acres of land. Theynever make any direct contribution in production all work is done by poor farmers who live at subsistence level.

This is where injustice originates from :

The landlord, by virtue of his ownership and control of such vast amounts of land and human resources, is powerful enough to influence the distribution of water, fertilisers, tractor permits and agricultural credit and, consequently exercises considerable influence over the revenue, police and judicial administration of the area. The landlord is, thus, lord and master. Such absolute power can easily corrupt, and it is no wonder that the feudal system there is humanly degrading.



corruption roots :

The system, which some critics say is parasitical at its very root, induces a state of mind which may be called the feudal mentality. This can be defined as an attitude of selfishness and arrogance on the part of the landlords. It is all attitude nurtured by excessive wealth and power, while honesty, justice, love of learning and respect for the law have all but disappeared. Having such a mentality, when members of feudal families obtain responsible positions in civil service, business, industry and politics, their influence is multiplied in all directions. Indeed the worsening moral, social, economic and political crisis facing this country can be attributed mainly to the powerful feudal influences operating there



Why shal we get rid of fuedals ::

Almost half of Pakistan's Gross National Product and the bulk of its export earnings are derived primarily from the agricultural sector controlled by a few thousand feudal families. Armed with a monopoly of economic power, they easily pre-empted political power.


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And why do you think MQM actually wants to weed feudalism out? Feudel is not somebody who just owns land, every person who misuses his power and makes the poor do what he wants is also feudal. Now just go through past 10 years of MQM history and see how many times it misused its power?

Once these zamindars and waderays are out only than we will be truly independent as Pakistans. Our future is decided by those deprived poor farmers and peasants , they comprise the majority of population... they are the most powerful people only once they are liberated from these medevil lords ! these farmers can go out there vote freely to the most suitable and competitive candiate , true democracy can only prevail than and Pakistan can really bounce back on the world stage. Sir please try and understand its a fundamental problem and we canot afford to have a mindset like this


Not aware of that please elaborate where did MQM made the poor do what MQM wanted ?

And lastly, if we are looking cure for the fever, you don't eat a medicine that would treat fever but cause hepatitis in return. I personally know people who migrated other parts of the country because they couldn't sustain the bhatas and influences of this party which calls itself democratic.

90's was a civil war like situation , armed forces all other law enforcement tried running over MQM over night all dirty tactics in the book were tried and tested ! MQM was blamed traitors thousands were killed in fake encounters , most were jailed , dozens of cases were filed against the leadership , a separate faction HAQIQI was formed under the protection of rangers. Offcourse MQM did retaliated as well they are no saints either but under the circumstances they had no choice. Also In these kiotic times there were thugs out there who also capatilise on the situation and did that? Every Tom dick and harry started extortion business MQM couldnt stop this as they were under heavy fire. Lets think busines like for a sec why will MQM be stupid to terrorise industrialists, businesses and residents ? they packed their bags and left karachi this was a total loss of karachis revenue and it created unemployment in addition to the mass unrest. Funny enough after a decade the same dictators were sitting on TV and said openly that MQM never conspired anti state activities.

No one in their right mind wants to take wrong medication ,however when you cant figure out sickness my advice is to consult the right Dr who can help cure it for long term now its indivisuals approach and decision who they go to?


In this time when no political party is delivering good, I tried to study ideology of every other option that I had and MQM was also among them, but after study I found this is not a political party yet. It might take take another 50 years to become a political party but at its present form, it is yet another flavor of feudalism instead of a solution to it.

Most people have a problem with Altaf rather than MQM & to be honest i am no die hard fan of his personality and his speech style is rather silly.... however i as a indivisual voter will rather look at the matter than personality and offcoure the results. Lastly MQM did delivered when they had the chance !
 
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One of the reason is that Muhajir do not have an alternative party to vote. There was a split in MQM but MQM-Haqiqi was killed off my MQM goons. Now PPP, JI and PML have good chance to winning votes in Karachi if they talk about problems and solutions in Karachi. It is about time that MQM leader rethink about Altaf Hussian because he is liability than asset for Karachi. MQM has no political allies now and suits Altaf Hussain to play a victim. The problems of Karachi cannot be solved by sitting in opposition. Now all political parties in Pakistan will consider MQM to be unstable party and will not form coalition with them. We have to than Altaf Hussain for that.

MQM came into being in mid 80's , before that since independance they voted for all JI , JUI & PPP .. they have a short history and have only been there since 20 years so far their popularity has increased for the next election its to early to predict eventualy its the voter who wil decide the fate of MQM only time will tell.
 
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Many take pride in their "indian immigrant" roots and behave like refugees due to self victimisation mindset infused in them with MQM idealogy.

This is actually due to the fact that Punjabis, Sindhis, Balochs and Pakhtuns call them Bhiyas, Hindustani and Panahgir. There is lot of reaction due to this discrimination and then MQM was formed. May be you listen to Shahi Syed of ANP.

 
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@pak-marine;

I have already mentioned that Fudelism is the bad by nature and must be rooted out BUT is there any plan of action there on the table. This is the 4th consecutive government which MQM is part of.. the 4th opportunity in a row that is given to them to weed this disease out. Do you even see 1% success in that? Infect MQM is sitting and supporting same PPP, PMLN and Baloch tribal leaders do exactly what they has been doing - rule the poor with power. Actions speak louder than words and actions are speaking MQM couldn't or didn't do anything to that could be taken as first step. Even now, when they are chanting these slogans all time loud, they are in power, hand-in-hand with same Zardari clan. Thats not convincing my friend.

Second, Feudelism is product of injustice. You cannot kill feudals and say okay they are eliminated and now there is equality and justice after they are gone. No sir, it doesn't happen that way. You have to improve the system and strengthen implementation of law as the first step. Second, you need to amend constitution in a way that systematically isolates corrupt, inapt and unworthy people whoever they are. What is MQM doing for that in practice? They are supporting rather main supporting party of the most Corrupt government that Pakistan had in 63 years. Had MQM widthrawn its support the moment we talk, this corrupt system must had ended to the satisfaction of Pakistanis. Actions speak louder than words and actions say MQM is doing exactly the opposite of what it wants to sell. They are pillar of this feudalistic system at now, has been main supporter of PMLQ - the classic feudal party and even before when they had a chance they didn't act against any of them. What do you expect from such party in future?

How do a party that hasn't let anybody investigate killing of 12th may, or the firing of 100s of shops in Karachi or 10s of previous incidents in which scores of people suffered - your hope? Why is it declared a terrorist organization in Canada? There are so many dark spots in its face for which there are no explanations. No wonder its popularity is still where it was before. Why aren't people buying which Altaf-Hissain saying? Do you think people don't want the feudal system to end? Its rather the other way around and they find it only as good or as bad as any other party in the country without any new hope that you are trying to show.
 
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MQM has talent to lead the country properly(excluding altaf), no other party has that educated and talented people
 
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I think Altaf Hussain will self destruct soon. The followers MQM will witness the madness of Altaf Hussain over the next few months or years. It is about time that MQM have alternate leader in place. May be Karachi's former mayor Mustafa Kamal can fill the bill.

Mustafa Kamal can be an asset for Pakistan since he is dedicated, please do not mention the idea of Mustafa Kamal replacing him because Altaf will have him killed just like Azeem Ahmad Tariq was killed.
 
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This is actually due to the fact that Punjabis, Sindhis, Balochs and Pakhtuns call them Bhiyas, Hindustani and Panahgir. There is lot of reaction due to this discrimination and then MQM was formed. May be you listen to Shahi Syed of ANP.

YouTube - ANP racist Shahi syed's double standards

Actually Punjabis are also called Baeels (Male Bull), Kharkulay for Pathans those are terms from MQM guys for other people, so what is the big deal.
 
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Mustafa Kamal can be an asset for Pakistan since he is dedicated, please do not mention the idea of Mustafa Kamal replacing him because Altaf will have him killed just like Azeem Ahmad Tariq was killed.

Yes I agree. I have already mentioned that few weeks ago. But if Altaf is not here tomorrow morning then he is the best person to replace him.
 
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MQM is the best party of Pakistan after Musharraf. Cant you all guys see how they had developed Karachi in just 5 years. Just forget about Altaf Hussain, think of MQM.
I hope next election people will vote either Musharraf,MQM or ImranKhan. Rest all parties are corrupt & stupid.
LongLive Pakistan.
 
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