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Disillusioned HKers press UK for escape route

The other questions along this line will be like: Why Taiwan defy re-union? Why Uhygurs are so hostile? The more pressing question is why even 86% of our own rich and famous wanna emigrate abroad? Would you do the same thing for your family if options are available? Why this could happen even when this land is prospering? What drive their hearts away?
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Uhygurs are not really hostile, while Western press made it all about ethnicity and religion suppression, i would say economic factor played the dominant role in their discontent. precisely because CCP wanted to preserve the Uhygur culture, we now have generations of young Uhygurs cannot speak or understand Mandarin, let alone write, which hinders their future job opportunities in any Chinese firms (Han or not doesn't matter) with modern technologies and better salaries. i heard that CCP has already changed the policy to make sure the education is at least bilingual.....and then you hear people (mainly westerners) coming out with accusations that Han Chinese is trying to wipe out Uhygur culture....Orz
 
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This is not a comparison thread, so keep India out of it.

Having said that, if they dont like the way Chinese system works, they should leave.

Why should they leave their own country, Hong Kong joined China with the agreement of staying as an autonomuos region, now people of Hong Kong should leave Hong Kong because Beijing is uncomfortable with its autonomy?
 
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Why should they leave their own country, Hong Kong joined China with the agreement of staying as an autonomuos region, now people of Hong Kong should leave Hong Kong because Beijing is uncomfortable with its autonomy?

Simple. Their country, their rules. If the majority has no problem with it, then they should be allowed to implement it. People of HK are Chinese.
 
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Moreover, for any thread is non-India-related, remind everyone - keep India out of it.

Regarding my post, I advise you don't take its superficial meaning, it just meant for: my reply to Dray's post.

This is an international forum. You will get all kinds.But, in this thread you brought in India. That will lead to trolling by Indians. Better to maintain the sanctity of the thread and have a decent discussion.
 
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Simple. Their country, their rules. If the majority has no problem with it, then they should be allowed to implement it. People of HK are Chinese.

See, there are 8 people in a club, then 2 people join the club signing an agreement with the 8 people that gives them certain rights, now going forward those 8 people cannot say that the agreement that we have signed with the 2 people stands void as we are a majority in the club.
 
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This is an international forum. You will get all kinds.But, in this thread you brought in India. That will lead to trolling by Indians. Better to maintain the sanctity of the thread and have a decent discussion.

I just make sure Dray who started with BS (check his post) will end up eating a mouthful of it.
If it spirals out, let's see.
 
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I just make sure Dray who started with BS (check his post) will end up eating a mouthful of it.
If it spirals out, let's see.

Again check my post and the article, if the article is too long for you to read, then check the thread title. My post was perfectly on topic. Now get back to the topic.
 
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Some of the most educated and well-to-do Chinese are preferring to live as British citizen/British colony than to live under the rule of Beijing!! Interesting situation!!

You actually have zero proof of that, like anything else you claim. Provide evidence or lose what little credibility you have. :agree:

Don't try to convince me that China is a land of sick & racist people, I have reasonably favourable impression about China outside pdf.

India is literally the land of racist people. In addition to being one of the worst places to live in the world.

India among world's most racist countries, says survey : Asia, News - India Today

List of countries by Human Development Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This thread is about the hypocrisy of a small group of Hong Kongers with identity issues. And despite all the "freedom in the world" these same Hong Kongers decrying Chinese "oppression" would much rather commit suicide than emigrate to "free" India. After all, no one cares about "freedom" when you're drowning in an open pit of human waste in downtown Mumbai. :rofl:

With Hong Kong increasingly polarised on political reforms and fears growing over the influence of Beijing, frustrated residents are pressing former colonial power Britain to offer them an escape route.

Their push for a new status that would allow them right of abode in Britain reflects their anger over what they see as a lack of support from the UK in their time of need.

It follows more than two months of pro-democracy protests, which failed to win concessions from the government on the way the city’s next leader is elected, and ties in with concerns that civil liberties are being chipped away.

Before Britain gave the city back to China in 1997 it offered Hong Kongers a special “British National Overseas” (BNO) status to calm those worried about their future under Beijing’s rule.

Holders can enter the UK without a visa and get consular assistance abroad, but have no right to live in Britain.

Around 400,000 Hong Kong residents hold the BNO passport and some are now calling on Britain to allow them residency as they seek to escape rising tensions.

“It is an extra option for Hong Kong people – it’s a right they deserve,” says Sampson Noble, a 30-year-old Hong Kong Chinese resident who runs the BritishHongKong campaign group.

“I was born British,” he added. “It should not relate to my ethnicity.”

The group’s forum has 3,000 members and has sent letters to British lawmakers, as well as a statement to a UK parliamentary inquiry into Hong Kong’s post-handover relationship with Britain.

In that statement the group called Britain’s stance “discriminative”.

“We were ruled for 156 years and we are being discriminated against,” said Humphrey Lau, a campaigner for the group.

“There is a feeling of being betrayed.”

Popular Facebook page “BNO Concern”, which also calls for right of abode, has 6,000 likes with users dismissing their status as “rubbish” and pushing for change.

Twenty- and thirty-somethings are particularly frustrated, says political columnist Martin Oei.

“Young people are disappointed to see how Hong Kong is greatly affected by the ‘Chinese way’,” he said.

“People now want to think of a way out.”

- Desperate measure -

Before the handover, 50,000 selected Hong Kongers – mainly white-collar professionals and civil servants – were given British passports, but more than three million had to make do with BNO status.

Signing up was optional and the status can be held alongside a Chinese passport.

Applying was only possible before the handover, but holders can renew their BNO every 10 years for around HK$1,000 (US$130).

For 33-year-old Peter, a pilot, renewing his BNO passport is a desperate measure.

“(It) is just like someone who is drowning would grasp whatever he can reach,” he told AFP, saying the recent democracy protests spurred him to renew the document.

The rallies were sparked by Beijing’s insistence that candidates in the city’s 2017 leadership vote must be vetted by a loyalist committee, which critics dismiss as “fake democracy”.

Attacks on outspoken media figures and the arrests of protest leaders have added to fears that Hong Kong’s semi-autonomous status is eroding.

Peter told AFP the failed protests proved “how we are ignored by our government and how helpless we Hong Kong people are”.

“The BNO passport may save me one day, when Hong Kong is no longer a place for us and we cannot call ourselves Hong Kong people any more,” he added.

- Saving face -

Despite the growing calls, there is no sign that Britain will budge.

“There are currently no plans to amend British Nationality legislation to give holders of BNO status the Right of Abode in the UK, or to extend the right to apply for BNO status,” a consulate spokeswoman told AFP.

Critics are sceptical that Britain would ever risk its relationship with China over Hong Kong. UK Foreign Office minister Hugo Swire suggested the strictly-controlled election offered by Beijing could be “better than nothing at all”, as he gave evidence to the parliamentary inquiry on Hong Kong last week.

The creation of BNO status was itself widely seen as a bid to keep China happy by not offering Hong Kongers alternative citizenship. It also prevented an influx into Britain.

“The key was to save face on the diplomatic arrangements,” says Chung Kim-wah, assistant professor of social science at Hong Kong’s Polytechnic University.

“The benefits for Hong Kong were not a primary concern.”

Chung said young people’s current discontent was “embarrassing” for China.

The older generation are demanding change, too – Hong Kong residents who served Britain as soldiers have taken their call for right of abode to the UK parliament.

Unless large numbers of BNO-holders can “create noise internationally” there is little chance of change, says Chung.

But for campaigners like Lau, there is no choice but to keep up the pressure.

“If we stop it, we’ll get nothing,” he said.

If they despise Hong Kong so much and claim they're suffering from a lack of human rights (the same human rights denied to them under their former British masters), China should revoke their citizenships immediately. Make them stateless and put them all on a boat to the UK. Instead of this being a Chinese problem, make it a British refugee problem. :lol:
 
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You actually have zero proof of that, like anything else you claim. Provide evidence or lose what little credibility you have. :agree:

Isn't it implied? Hong Kong has one of the highest per-capita income and better education level in China, far better than many parts of china. Besides, the article did mention about a pilot and a professor also.
 
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Isn't it implied? Hong Kong has one of the highest per-capita income and better education level in China, far better than many parts of china. Besides, the article did mention about a pilot and a professor also.

And since the vast majority of Hong Kongers (millions including CEOs, doctors, etc compared to these few thousand) prefer to stay in Hong Kong and were actually opposed to the Umbrella movement to a tune of 80%, what you were insinuating has no merit.

By your logic, I've seen Indian doctors in Canada. And if there were even only a few Indian elites there I could say that "it seems some of the brightest and smartest Indians would prefer to leave their shithole of a birth country than stay there (and risk being defecated on) a moment longer."

You see what I did there? I pulled a DRAY. :rofl:
 
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And since the vast majority of Hong Kongers (millions including CEOs, doctors, etc compared to these few thousand) prefer to stay in Hong Kong and were actually opposed to the Umbrella movement to a tune of 80%, what you were insinuating has no merit.

By your logic, I've seen Indian doctors in Canada. And if there were even only a few Indian elites there I could say that "it seems some of the brightest and smartest Indians would prefer to leave their shithole of a birth country than stay there (and risk being defecated on) a moment longer."

You see what I did there? I pulled a DRAY. :rofl:

The issue is the Beijing's attempt to deny the HKers what they have agreed to. No matter what percentage of people of Hong Kong are actively protesting, or how many passively supporting the protest; the whole process of curtailing Hong Kong's autonomy was morally and ethically wrong.

However, if chinese people get so riled up over my on-topic posts, then they should refrain from doing all those off-topic nonsense they habitually do in every India related thread, don't you think so?
 
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The issue is the Beijing's attempt to deny the HKers what they have agreed to. No matter what percentage of people of Hong Kong are actively protesting, or how many passively supporting the protest; the whole process of curtailing Hong Kong's autonomy was morally and ethically wrong.

However, if chinese people get so riled up over my on-topic posts, then they should refrain from doing all those off-topic nonsense they habitually do in every India related thread, don't you think so?

You keep on spewing b/s
How was HKer denied of what they agreed to?
The VAST MAJORITY of HKers are staying
If I see on your face full of pimples can I interpret it that you are having cancer alll over?

I said this in post # 9 above:
"HK has its own law, social systems, currency and "central bank", legislative and executive law makers, fx reserve, media ecosystem, so how can the author say ‘ HK is only "semi"-automomous?’"

HK people have more freedom and autonomy than many democratic countries in the world, India is beyond comparison with HK on a long shot!

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@waz @Oscar @WebMaster @Jungibaaz could you please clean this up?

No need to bring India into this. I can show enough of Chinese problems of this century if you want. But, that is not the point of this thread. Stick to the topic at hand. Just in case, you did not comprehend the post, I was actually supporting the Chinese government point of view.

If there is a problematic post, report it. Let the mods act. This is one of the few forums where mods are decent.

why not bringing India / Indians into this since you indians are meddling into our internal affair trying to put us down with loads of bull shits

See yourselves in your own mirror before you criticise us for absurd reasons
If you cant stand our counter criticism and comparison with India, then leave the thread!

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Relax bros, they are getting nowhere.

But I wanna ask this question:
Why are they so centrifugal towards People's Republic of China?

The other questions along this line will be like: Why Taiwan defy re-union? Why Uhygurs are so hostile? The more pressing question is why even 86% of our own rich and famous wanna emigrate abroad? Would you do the same thing for your family if options are available? Why this could happen even when this land is prospering? What drive their hearts away?

When we point a finger at others, the other four fingers point right back.
I wanna give it some serious thoughts, as a patriot.

1. There are people in the US centrifugal toward Washington, as well. But these people are the absolute minority. Just as in Hong Kong.

2. Taiwan defies re-union just as the South defied re-union in the US: Economic and political. As the economic legitimation weans, political legitimation grows stronger. Hence the recent yellow stuff in Taipei. There are pro-Beijing/unification Taiwanese Chinese, as well, by the way. Like myself. Also, do not underestimate the heavy foreign influence.

3. Not all Uighurs hostile. Only a minority. Some hostile for the same reason Muslim minority in the US is hostile to Washington: Extremist indoctrination. Some hostile because of racism. Again, do not underestimate foreign interference. It is a multilateral struggle, not simply a domestic one.

4. The famous and rich wanting to emigrate abroad is a sociological question in my opinion (if we accept the 86% is really true). The fact is that, China has experienced the fastest and most comprehensive national development in human history over the past three decades or so. If the rich and famous really left, who did the job? Besides, anticipate the rate to decline as the nation develops further and people satisfy certain drives. Consider it as a result of urbanization. Just as spending on luxury is in decline as people start to seek more refined pastimes, people will also become accustomed to being in Canada or the US. It won't be special anymore. Chinese become rich, and then seek to go overseas. Hence you will not see illegal Chinese (new generation) in the US. But, Indians, for example, constitute the largest illegal Asian group.

Just as people leave, there are people who return. Over the last two decades, some 85% of all Chinese graduates that studied overseas returned home to pursue their career.

5. Would I like to go overseas? I will not although I have the means to do the same (I am partially US educated). I know (like the rest of the majority know) where the future, excitement and endless discovery and possibilities lie: It is in China.
 
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1. There are people in the US centrifugal toward Washington, as well. But these people are the absolute minority. Just as in Hong Kong.

2. Taiwan defies re-union just as the South defied re-union in the US: Economic and political. As the economic legitimation weans, political legitimation grows stronger. Hence the recent yellow stuff in Taipei. There are pro-Beijing/unification Taiwanese Chinese, as well, by the way. Like myself. Also, do not underestimate the heavy foreign influence.

3. Not all Uighurs hostile. Only a minority. Some hostile for the same reason Muslim minority in the US is hostile to Washington: Extremist indoctrination. Some hostile because of racism. Again, do not underestimate foreign interference. It is a multilateral struggle, not simply a domestic one.

4. The famous and rich wanting to emigrate abroad is a sociological question in my opinion (if we accept the 86% is really true). The fact is that, China has experienced the fastest and most comprehensive national development in human history over the past three decades or so. If the rich and famous really left, who did the job? Besides, anticipate the rate to decline as the nation develops further and people satisfy certain drives. Consider it as a result of urbanization. Just as spending on luxury is in decline as people start to seek more refined pastimes, people will also become accustomed to being in Canada or the US. It won't be special anymore. Chinese become rich, and then seek to go overseas. Hence you will not see illegal Chinese (new generation) in the US. But, Indians, for example, constitute the largest illegal Asian group.

Just as people leave, there are people who return. Over the last two decades, some 85% of all Chinese graduates that studied overseas returned home to pursue their career.

5. Would I like to go overseas? I will not although I have the means to do the same (I am partially US educated). I know (like the rest of the majority know) where the future, excitement and endless discovery and possibilities lie: It is in China.

People immigrate mainly because of economic reasons. People move from poorer countries to richer countries. Its nothing to do with the political system. If not people from Arab countries would be rushing to India. Not the other way round. Malaysia and Singapore is home to many of its poorer democratic neighboring countries. Filipinos love to live in "repressive" Hong Kong. Many Taiwanese, up to several millions are already living in "repressive" China.
 
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