Dishonesty about Indian technological development

[Bilal9]

I think @Bilal9 you should apologize here. Your post was factually incorrect, racially demeaning, and highly disrespectful.

More racially demeaning than name-calling such as 'Bengali speaking donkey'?

And what did I say that was racially demeaning and highly disrespectful?

 

[gslv mk3]

More racially demeaning than name-calling such as 'Bengali speaking donkey'?

Okay, I take that back. I apologize for using that term.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Since Bilal9 is acting saintly now, here are a few screenshots of his previous posts on this thread- do note that these aren't considered as 'name-calling'.

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you haven't seen pages 1-3, have you ?

There is nothing factually correct about this thread as well.

Yeah, I just purused the thread.

I have already realized that facts are useless. You simply CAN NOT change people who have already made up their minds.

Okay, I take that back. I apologize for using that term.

See, he apologized, @Bilal9

Time for you to apologize as well.

Demeaning:
"brainless ilk"

 

[Bilal9]

Yeah, I just purused the thread.

I have already realized that facts are useless. You simply CAN NOT change people who have already made up their minds.



See, he apologized, @Bilal9

Time for you to apologize as well.

Demeaning:
"brainless ilk"

All right - fine, I went off the rails and time for me to apologize....

Wow - someone is actually storing my posts on Google Drive.

But looks like negative posts only......

 

[gslv mk3]

Wow - someone is actually storing my posts on Google Drive.

But no one has started any threads based on any of your posts. So I win.

 

[Fledgingwings]

 

[Azadkashmir]

All right - fine, I went off the rails and time for me to apologize....

Wow - someone is actually storing my posts on Google Drive.

But looks like negative posts only......

you have upset the indian aryans now they going to form mob and lynch you.

 

[gslv mk3]

Posting this again, since the original post was removed. @Nilgiri I guess we already had a session with Bilal on this.

Well I should correct myself, I wasn't actually right about the sounding rocket being 'Atlas' - though I was right about the 'copying/stealing design' part.

The first INCOSPAR (ISRO's predecessor) rocket was a 'NIKE APACHE' which Sarabhai begged the US to supply and which APJ Kalam worked on in a converted Church at Thumba. There's your 'highly indigenous Indian technology' bit. Compare that to what the Chinese did themselves.

Do you even know the level of engineering & up scaling required to go from a sounding rocket to a Space launch vehicle ?

And how does launching an US sounding rocket from a UN-sponsored facility, TERLS make Indian Space program any less indigenous ?

And unfortunately for you, the Americans never transferred any technology nor did Indians copy it- the first Indian developed sounding rocket, the RH-75 has nothing to with Nike Apaches. It used cordite propellant ,because the underfunded space program working out of a converted church couldn't yet manufacture APCP propellent.

Now a bit about Chinese Space Technology origins...

The first Chinese missile was built in October 1958 as a reverse-engineered copy of the Soviet R-2 short-range ballistic missile (SRBM), itself an upgraded version of a GermanV-2 rocket. Its range was 590 km, weighing 20.5 tons and propelled with liquid oxygen and alcohol.

So much for Chinese 'indigenous' claims

Indian noob scientists were sent to NASA's Goddard space center and trained on basic of building rockets at the nearby Wallops Island facility.

Lol, more BS. So Indian Space program is not indigenous because our scientists trained in the US in the basics of sounding rocket assembly & range operations? Tell me how it is different in the case of US it self which received hundreds of experienced Nazi scientists, let alone access to the hardware & blue prints.

from your own link...

This is called 'range operations'.

How typical to 'steal' (OK 'borrow') technology and proclaim completely 'indigenous tech'

IF test flying an American sounding rocket, and later coming up with a Space Launcher using even locally developed propellant is called stealing in any sense of the word. Google lactone terminated polybutadiene aka HEF-20, that one was invented by ISRO.

Here's the first US-donated NIKE APACHE at Thumba near the Church.

Sure, they had a parachute on-board to recover the same.

That's a model of SLV, our first launcher. This is a nike apache

 

[Bilal9]

you have upset the indian aryans now they going to form mob and lynch you.

Ha ha ha.. LOL

 

[Azadkashmir]

Ha ha ha.. LOL

This image will make sure you will recieve the aryan punishment from indians.
Here is a bengali bhaiya sap smuggling not one but two holy cows on the border. I tell you what he had a good meal that day and his wife must have been pleased with him and probably give him another kid. This kid will grow to smuggle more cows.

 

[Bilal9]

This image will make sure you will recieve the aryan punishment from indians.
Here is a bengali bhaiya sap smuggling not one but two holy cows on the border. I tell you what he had a good meal that day and his wife must have been pleased with him and probably give him another kid. This kid will grow to smuggle more cows.

Now you've done it.....

Making fun of cows and cow-smuggling at the same time.

 

[Nilgiri]

Posting this again, since the original post was removed. @Nilgiri I guess we already had a session with Bilal on this.



Do you even know the level of engineering & up scaling required to go from a sounding rocket to a Space launch vehicle ?

And how does launching an US sounding rocket from a UN-sponsored facility, TERLS make Indian Space program any less indigenous ?

And unfortunately for you, the Americans never transferred any technology nor did Indians copy it- the first Indian developed sounding rocket, the RH-75 has nothing to with Nike Apaches. It used cordite propellant ,because the underfunded space program working out of a converted church couldn't yet manufacture APCP propellent.

Now a bit about Chinese Space Technology origins...

The first Chinese missile was built in October 1958 as a reverse-engineered copy of the Soviet R-2 short-range ballistic missile (SRBM), itself an upgraded version of a GermanV-2 rocket. Its range was 590 km, weighing 20.5 tons and propelled with liquid oxygen and alcohol.

So much for Chinese 'indigenous' claims





Lol, more BS. So Indian Space program is not indigenous because our scientists trained in the US in the basics of sounding rocket assembly & range operations? Tell me how it is different in the case of US it self which received hundreds of experienced Nazi scientists, let alone access to the hardware & blue prints.

from your own link...

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This is called 'range operations'.



IF test flying an American sounding rocket, and later coming up with a Space Launcher using even locally developed propellant is called stealing in any sense of the word. Google lactone terminated polybutadiene aka HEF-20, that one was invented by ISRO.



Sure, they had a parachute on-board to recover the same.

That's a model of SLV, our first launcher. This is a nike apache

He always challenges on subjects he has no inkling of an idea about past what he googled on the surface and clung to when there was agenda alignment. Then retreats and screams bloody murder when exposed.

No wonder his lot earn what they do in North America, a little above Afghan-Americans (yes war torn Afghanistan)....and 1 in 3 are diabetic apparently too because of their poor diet.

All this leads to twilight zone phenomenon on this subforum.

 

[Bilal9]

I haven't seen one Bangladeshi designed warship for that matter, so that is pretty much true.

Having an economy ten times as big, you're comparing Indian design capability with Bangladesh capability. Okay.

That being said, until very recently (say within the last decade or so), India did not have design capability for its Corvettes, Frigates and Destroyers either.

Everything was a variant of a Soviet era design - though built locally. Just setting you straight.

And the recent Indian designs, especially Kora class corvette, was roundly criticized in your own media for its shortcomings with low level of armament.

Only in recent projects (and variations thereof), such as Project 15, 15a, 15b and 17, have individual Indian design elements have started taking shape, for good or bad. That's okay - you have to start somewhere.


Since Bangladesh is a marine country,

• We have dozens of ship-design firms and hundreds of yards (mostly commercial but a few with Defence capability) who have produced designs for the last three decades conforming to all major industry norms such as DNV-GL, BV and CCS, as well as Japanese and Italian standards. These design and consultancy firms in the marine sector (mainly founded by expat returning Bangladeshi naval architects from overseas) provide safe and highly-qualified classed vessel designs for both inland and coastal sea routes per our weather and sea-state conditions (such as cyclones in the Bay of Bengal). Most of them offer the following services,
  • Ship Design
    
  • Hull Modeling
  • Production Drawing
  • Structural Analysis [including that using Fast-Fourier-Transform (Digital FFT Analysis) to virtually measure mechanical twist and torsion characteristics]

• Project Management
• Construction Supervision including material sourcing and quality control

True we haven't designed a warship yet (mostly assembling to Chinese designs), but neither did India for any significant design from scratch until a decade or so ago. Most of your older designs were either built in St.Petersburg or built to soviet specs and designs locally at Mazagaon and GRSE. Your Navy’s Naval Design Bureau (NDB) has existed for last fifty+ years but where are the independent designs to its credit before the Kamorta, P15 and P17 designs??

GRSE near us at Kolkata cannot compare with our capabilities in Bangladesh. They are a build-only yard and antiquated to boot. Only Mazagaon in Bombay might be better capable than Bangladesh design-wise and build-wise. For defence ship design we don't have an equivalent your NDB (Naval Design Bureau) yet but there are groups working informally with the Naval yards we have (three large ones at this time).

So - let's see where things stand in a couple more years as far as design and build in Bangladesh. Other than building aircraft carriers and destroyers, our capability is certainly not less than a lot of Asian countries our size.

By the way the Hyper-Nationalist Sanghis and the defence establishment in India have this need nowadays to call everything 'indigenous'. I don't know why saving face in this way is a need but who cares?

Always struck me as really odd and amusing....look at the following news article that says the Visakhapatnam class destroyer is indigenous yet inside they again say that its only 65% 'indigenous'. I guess that is the Sanghi and military definition of 'Indigenous'. Kinda like the FDA defining natural food as only 65% natural with added 'man-made flavors and ingredients'.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...-to-kolkata-class-warships/article7109369.ece

 

[Bombaywalla]

He always challenges on subjects he has no inkling of an idea about past what he googled on the surface and clung to when there was agenda alignment. Then retreats and screams bloody murder when exposed.

He, the India-obsessed pathological liar, coughs up random info on Indian aviation too, sourced in the usual half-hearted bangladeshi style, and then, when shown his rightful place (i.e the gutter), he runs away for a while, comes back later with unrelated responses, and then for his master stroke - he complains and whines about how he's been unfairly treated and name called when in fact, it is him who goes about name calling and acting like the utter LDC gutter trash he is. What a sad little excuse for a man.

 

[FULL_METAL]

He, the India-obsessed pathological liar, coughs up random info on Indian aviation too, sourced in the usual half-hearted bangladeshi style, and then, when shown his rightful place (i.e the gutter), he runs away for a while, comes back later with unrelated responses, and then for his master stroke - he complains and whines about how he's been unfairly treated and name called when in fact, it is him who goes about name calling and acting like the utter LDC gutter trash he is. What a sad little excuse for a man.

A shameless specimen, I am pretty sure he enjoys being humiliated kinda like a sadist who enjoys inflicting pain upon himself, that guy literally relishes having his a$$ handed over to him in every single fuckin thread, no wonder he keeps coming back to get some more, just like an adamant poop nugget that refuses to go down even after multiple flushes Such a cringeworthy soul.