Dishonesty about Indian technological development

[ghameed]

A shameless specimen, I am pretty sure he enjoys being humiliated kinda like a sadist who enjoys inflicting pain upon himself, that guy literally relishes having his a$$ handed over to him in every single fuckin thread, no wonder he keeps coming back to get some more, just like an adamant poop nugget that refuses to go down even after multiple flushes Such a cringeworthy soul.

Ouch ...!! How does one effect a proper comeback when he is called a poop nugget ...lol !!

 

[Bombaywalla]

A shameless specimen, I am pretty sure he enjoys being humiliated kinda like a sadist who enjoys inflicting pain upon himself, that guy literally relishes having his a$$ handed over to him in every single fuckin thread, no wonder he keeps coming back to get some more, just like an adamant poop nugget that refuses to go down even after multiple flushes Such a cringeworthy soul.

LOL the unsinkable turd! He's more like the regurgitated bowel contents of a sick mule.

He's just pissed about his country having to exist under India's left pit for all eternity, and frankly, for the likes of him, it all boils down to religion, just like with every other person born into that kind of household. It's always fun to watch these LDC wastes of oxygen froth at any given juncture.

Seriously though, I think this could very well be a case of masochism. Well... whatever works for him

 

[gslv mk3]

Do you ever get tired of being proven wrong?

That being said, until very recently (say within the last decade or so), India did not have design capability for its Corvettes, Frigates and Destroyers either.

True we haven't designed a warship yet (mostly assembling to Chinese designs), but neither did India for any significant design from scratch until a decade or so ago. Your Navy’s Naval Design Bureau (NDB) has existed for last fifty+ years but where are the independent designs to its credit before the Kamorta, P15 and P17 designs??

A decade ago means 2007. We had the capability long before.

The design phase of P-15 aka Delhi class destroyers was completed in 1987. P 17 class frigate design was complete by the end of 1990s. And before all that there is the Godavari class project (design completed in 1975) which was based on an enlarged Leander class hull, but rest of it is indigenous. Then there is the Khukhri class corvette which was designed by NDB in the 70s.

Also, not to forget the LST(L), Magar class which was designed in the 1970s.

Everything was a variant of a Soviet era design - though built locally. Just setting you straight.

Most of your older designs were either built in St.Petersburg or built to soviet specs and designs locally at Mazagaon and GRSE.

And the only soviet designed warships locally built in India were the 'Veer class' missile boats. So much for your knowledge in shipbuilding.

And the recent Indian designs, especially Kora class corvette, was roundly criticized in your own media for its shortcomings with low level of armament.

It's Kamorta class, genius. It was criticized by armchair experts, for being too big for a dedicated ASW vessel but the navy surely knows better.

GRSE near us at Kolkata cannot compare with our capabilities in Bangladesh. They are a build-only yard and antiquated to boot. Only Mazagaon in Bombay might be better capable than Bangladesh design-wise and build-wise.

You never get tired of peddling this lie, do you ? GRSE was modernized in 2013 for the construction of the next generation P-17A class frigates. It's far more capable than any yard in Bangladesh & is capable of undertaking modular construction.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...o-be-created-by-grse/articleshow/56263787.cms

GRSE:

The modernisation Plan which was focused on enabling modular construction has been completed at a financial outlay of Rs.606 Cr. GRSE is now capable of constructing concurrently multiple large modern ships. GRSE modernisation plan included creation of the following facilities:-

• Modern hull shop, upgradation of TRIBON ship design software, augmenting capacity of inclined berth, shipbuilding shop etc.

• Dry Dock of 10,000 Ton capacity, inclined berth of 4500 Ton capacity, Pier Quay and associated works & systems.

• Goliath Crane of 250 Ton capacity.

• Module Hall, Paint Cell & Equipment.

Now can any Bangladeshi yard undertake construction of a vessel like P-17 A ? Do you want me to post pics of your much vaunted shipyards which are comparable to tier 2 Indian shipyards like Tebma & Chowgule ? Or the defense yards at Khulna or Narayanganj?

It's a shipyard with an order book of $4 billion, so I would ask you not to compare it to any of your yards.

Also GRSE has design capability- not destroyers or frigates but OPVs & IPVs- MCGS Barracuda is another example. Even Goa Shipyard has developed it's own designs for 110 m long OPVs & Survey vessels.

It must also be noted that you're peddling this BS even when it has been debunked numerous times before- that's the sign of a pathological liar.@Nilgiri

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/bang...wo-large-warships.396290/page-11#post-7760352

Always struck me as really odd and amusing....look at the following news article that says the Visakhapatnam class destroyer is indigenous yet inside they again say that its only 65% 'indigenous'. I guess that is the Sanghi and military definition of 'Indigenous'.

I don't think anyone in the IN cares about what builders of over glorified coasters have to say. Vizakhapatanam class is moving towards good levels of indigenous content, and now even components like MF-STAR radars are being localized.

These will be replaced on next generation vessels by Indian developed radars & long range SAMs once they come up.

And let me tell you, one Indian company- L&T can more supply more subsystem for a warship than the entire Bangladeshi industry. So it's better you don't talk about that.

We have dozens of ship-design firms and hundreds of yards (mostly commercial but a few with Defence capability) who have produced designs for the last three decades conforming to all major industry norms such as DNV-GL, BV and CCS, as well as Japanese and Italian standards.

It would have been quite shameful if a 'maritime country' couldn't do that.

 

[gslv mk3]

He always challenges on subjects he has no inkling of an idea about past what he googled on the surface and clung to when there was agenda alignment.

Claiming that Indian space launchers are copies of American sounding rockets & claiming that Chinese Space Program is fully indigenous, unaware of the Sino-Soviet cooperation is one example

 

[FULL_METAL]

Claiming that Indian space launchers are copies of American sounding rockets & claiming that Chinese Space Program is fully indigenous, unaware of the Sino-Soviet cooperation is one example

He should seriously consider suing his brain for non-support

 

[Bilal9]

Do you ever get tired of being proven wrong?



A decade ago means 2007. We had the capability long before.

The design phase of P-15 aka Delhi class destroyers was completed in 1987. P 17 class frigate design was complete by the end of 1990s. And before all that there is the Godavari class project (design completed in 1975) which was based on an enlarged Leander class hull, but rest of it is indigenous. Then there is the Khukhri class corvette which was designed by NDB in the 70s.

Also, not to forget the LST(L), Magar class which was designed in the 1970s.




And the only soviet designed warships locally built in India were the 'Veer class' missile boats. So much for your knowledge in shipbuilding.



It's Kamorta class, genius. It was criticized by armchair experts, for being too big for a dedicated ASW vessel but the navy surely knows better.



You never get tired of peddling this lie, do you ? GRSE was modernized in 2013 for the construction of the next generation P-17A class frigates. It's far more capable than any yard in Bangladesh & is capable of undertaking modular construction.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...o-be-created-by-grse/articleshow/56263787.cms

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Now can any Bangladeshi yard undertake construction of a vessel like P-17 A ? Do you want me to post pics of your much vaunted shipyards which are comparable to tier 2 Indian shipyards like Tebma & Chowgule ? Or the defense yards at Khulna or Narayanganj?

It's a shipyard with an order book of $4 billion, so I would ask you not to compare it to any of your yards.

Also GRSE has design capability- not destroyers or frigates but OPVs & IPVs- MCGS Barracuda is another example. Even Goa Shipyard has developed it's own designs for 110 m long OPVs & Survey vessels.

It must also be noted that you're peddling this BS even when it has been debunked numerous times before- that's the sign of a pathological liar.@Nilgiri

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/bang...wo-large-warships.396290/page-11#post-7760352



I don't think anyone in the IN cares about what builders of over glorified coasters have to say. Vizakhapatanam class is moving towards good levels of indigenous content, and now even components like MF-STAR radars are being localized.

These will be replaced on next generation vessels by Indian developed radars & long range SAMs once they come up.

And let me tell you, one Indian company- L&T can more supply more subsystem for a warship than the entire Bangladeshi industry. So it's better you don't talk about that.



It would have been quite shameful if a 'maritime country' couldn't do that.

Spewing BS about 'indigenous' when most of the non-hull components were all either (historically) all imported if they were any good, or just local substandard crap. A history of dismal defence failures does not become a shining history just because you are a revisionist.

Yeah - your 'localization' efforts are such a rip-roaring success that they are being cancelled.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/12/has-...-carrier-based-light-combat-aircraft-project/

And don't bark about GRSE. You had to dump money there because you had nowhere else in India cheap enough labor-cost-wise to produce ships. People in that city will work for almost nothing sometimes.

What are the modernization 'efforts'?

Other than more Tarpaulin/plastic sheet tents (sorry - fabrication halls ) - that is....

It is just ironic that you call a dump like GRSE the shining example of Indian shipbuilding and try to compare it to Bangladeshi yards - which is let's face it, is an LDC country. That is your benchmark to feel 'better'?

@Han Patriot , how does this compare to Chinese yards?

 

[gslv mk3]

Spewing BS about 'indigenous' when most of the non-hull components were all either (historically) all imported if they were any good, or just local substandard crap. A history of dismal defence failures does not become a shining history just because you are a revisionist.

Yawn...more rants & desperate calls for Chinese help is sounding real funny.

We have indigenized many components & will continue doing the same. I don't think anyone would call Brahmos, substandard except retarded Bangladeshi trolls.

And we have indigenized the Sonars, missiles, several types of radars, ASW weaponry, EW systems, CMS, steering gear, Guns, CIWS, sonar dome, helicopter handling systems, FCS, IPMS & many other systems.

And don't bark about GRSE. You had to dump money there because you had nowhere else in India cheap enough labor-cost-wise to produce ships. People in that city will work for almost nothing sometimes. What are the modernization 'efforts'?

Other than more Tarpaulin/plastic sheet tents (sorry - fabrication halls ) - that is....

We invested in GRSE because we wanted two lines of Frigate construction- do remember that we want to induct them at the rate of 2 per year.

lol, and now these are just tarpaulin tents ?

How many Bangladeshi yards have such large dry docks ?

How many have the ability to do modular fabrication, with 200 tonne, pre-outfitted blocks ?

How many can build a 7000 tonne frigate ?

None !!!

It is just ironic that you call a dump like GRSE the shining example of Indian shipbuilding and try to compare it to Bangladeshi yards

Yes, it is a dump even when it is fully capable of building pseudo-destroyers like P-17A.

While this is super modern...

http://thediplomat.com/2016/12/has-...-carrier-based-light-combat-aircraft-project/

It is an attempt to navalise a light combat aircraft & yes, it failed.

However it is quite funny watching a country which has no aerospace industry criticizing this effort.

 

[Bilal9]

I just looked at GRSE remuneration for its Director and CMD.

These guys' salaries top Rs.90,000 (USD1400) monthly at best which is equivalent to minimum-wage fast-food workers in the US.

This is your plan to produce world-class guided missile frigates?

By paying directors at levels of our Garment factory managers in Dhaka?

That too for top-level corporate officers?

I am sorry - I have no words.....

No wonder Indians are breaking the doors to get to Bangladesh to work in our industries....

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THE MONTHLY REMUNERATION RECEIVED BY EACH OF ITS OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING THE SYSTEM OF COMPENSATION AS PROVIDED IN ITS REGULATIONS: The scales of pay of Board Level and below board level executives and non-unionized Supervisors in GRSE Ltd have been revised wef 1.1.07 as follows:

• Board Level Executives CATEGORY DESIGNATION SCALE OF PAY (Rs.)
• BOARD LEVEL
  • Director 65000-75000
  • CMD 75000-90000
• BELOW BOARD LEVEL
  • Jr. Manager (E-0) 12600-32500
  • Asst. Manager (E-1) 16400-40500
  • Dy. Manager (E-2) 20600-46500
  • Manager (E-3) 24900-50500
  • Sr. Manager (E-4) 29100-54500
  • Dy. General Manager (E-5) 32900-58000
  • Addl. General Manager (E-6) 36600-62000
  • General Manager (E-7) 43200-66000
  • Chief General Manager (E-8) 51300-73000
  • SUPERVISOR Supervisor (S-1) 9900-23300
  • Supervisor (S-2) 10700-24800
  • Supervisor (S-3) 11500-27100
  • Supervisor (S-4) 12300-29000
  • OFFICE ASSISTANT
    • Office Asst. (Spl.) 8580-20830
    • Office Asst. (Gr-I) 8530-20710
    • Office Asst. (Gr-II) 8455-20530
    • Office Asst. (Gr-III) 8380-20340

Brahmos

The only thing Indian about Brahmos is the crappy Indian paint on it. We have discussed this before.

 

[gslv mk3]

I just looked at GRSE remuneration for its Director and CMD.

These guys' salaries top Rs.90,000 (USD1400) monthly at best which is equivalent to minimum-wage fast-food workers in the US.

That's called basic, you fool.

No wonder Indians are breaking the doors to get to Bangladesh to work in our industries....

'Breaking doors'... Meanwhile Bangladeshis risk their lives pole vaulting over the fences for doing menial work.

The only thing Indian about Brahmos is the crappy Indian paint on it. We have discussed this before.

Says who, a bangladeshi troll who claimed that a modern Indian SLV is a copy of a sounding rocket ?

What are the modernization 'efforts'?

Other than more Tarpaulin/plastic sheet tents (sorry - fabrication halls ) - that is..

vs

 

[Bilal9]

How many Bangladeshi yards have such large dry docks ?

We have dry docks as well - granted they aren't as big but its only a question of time before the Navy builds more. We don't have a country of 1.3 Billion either. Compare with China and see where you stand.

And yes there will be stealth missile frigates built for use by our own Navy. It's confirmed.

Your navy's strategic directives are different for building P17A's. Although if you asked any neutral person, they'd ask you to improve your HDI first which is even worse than an LDC country like ours.

GRSE was built in 1884 by the BRITISH. Like most things in India that were given to India for free (like HAL).

That's called basic, you fool.




Says who, a sub human bongoloid who claimed that a modern Indian SLV is a copy of a sounding rocket ?

vs

Reported for abusive language.

Nice going.

GRSE was modernized by RAMBOLL, a UK consulting firm, not any Indian firm. This sort of thing is unheard of China. They have enough expertise within their country to streamline their own yards.



Garden Reach Shipyard, Kolkata. Ramboll was responsible for the full design (concept to detail) and construction supervision of this major US$100m shipyard upgrade which will increase productivity by a factor of 3

Nick Clarke
Director, Marine and Energy Infrastructure
T +44 23 8081 7500
E nick.clarke@ramboll.co.uk


http://www.ramboll.com/projects/ruk/garden reach shipyard modernisation

I think we can spring for a small $100 Million project too - don't you think?

Before RAMBOLL 'modernized' GRSE, it couldn't even do modular construction.

So much for 'indigenous'.....

 

[gslv mk3]

We have dry docks as well - granted they aren't as big but its only a question of time before the Navy builds more.

Lol, and you are mocking an already established facility which is way ahead of you ? The great Khulna yard is beyond compare.

This one is yet to be constructed there, right ?

Also It's only a question of time before the Indian Navy builds even larger destroyers, with longer range indigenous SAMs with BMD capability.

Compare with China and see where you stand.

Do you see me running around mocking Chinese shipbuilding ? So shut up & see where you stand.

Although if you asked any neutral person, they'd ask you to improve your HDI first which is even worse than an LDC country like ours.

@Bilal9's lies exposed again. India has much higher HDI, improving at a much faster rate.

But you know, facts are irrelevant for Bangladeshis.

And yes there will be stealth missile frigates built for use by our own Navy

More daydreaming...you will get a modified Type 053H3 like the F22P at the best... If your yards can manage it, that is.

GRSE was built in 1884 by the BRITISH.

And it was taken over & modernized in the 1960s for building larger vessels. We have built numerous shipyards after independence, which are far bigger than anything in Bangladesh.

GRSE was modernized by RAMBOLL, a UK consulting firm, not any Indian firmI think we can spring for a small $100 Million project too - don't you think?

Counts for nothing. We have a modernized facility capable of modular shipbuilding, but you don't.

First modernize it, then talk.

Before RAMBOLL 'modernized' GRSE, it couldn't even do modular construction.

There are numerous Indian yards that can do modular construction before GRSE. Does Cochin/ Pipavav ring a bell ?

And when talking about modular construction, I don't mean small hull blocks with limited pre-launch outfitting, like your LPC program.

Spewing BS about 'indigenous' when most of the non-hull components were all either (historically) all imported if they were any good, or just local substandard crap

Why don't you do something- name some Bangladeshi defense products so we all could now how successful they are.

Oh there is none ? That's too bad.

 

[gslv mk3]

I just looked at GRSE remuneration for its Director and CMD. These guys' salaries top Rs.90,000 (USD1400) monthly at best which is equivalent to minimum-wage fast-food workers in the US. This is your plan to produce world-class guided missile frigates? By paying directors at levels of our Garment factory managers in Dhaka?That too for top-level corporate officers? I am sorry - I have no words..... No wonder Indians are breaking the doors to get to Bangladesh to work in our industries....
THE MONTHLY REMUNERATION RECEIVED BY EACH OF ITS OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING THE SYSTEM OF COMPENSATION AS PROVIDED IN ITS REGULATIONS: The scales of pay of Board Level and below board level executives and non-unionized Supervisors in GRSE Ltd have been revised wef 1.1.07 as follows:

 

[Chhatrapati]

@gslv mk3 You are having a field day with these guys

 

[gslv mk3]

@gslv mk3 You are having a field day with these guys

It's rather easy, you know when someone is posting BS have no basis or proof..

 

[Bilal9]

Lol, and you are mocking an already established facility which is way ahead of you ? The great Khulna yard is beyond compare.

Stop BSing us. GRSE was far worse than this before 2013. Before Ramboll showed the great Supa Pawa how to do modular builds. In 2017.

Even as late as 2015 - Your media (Times of India) was salivating at the hint of Bangladesh giving naval shipbuilding business to GRSE - Woh bheekh manga. Your MoD and GRSE's Verma was all too keen in attracting business through a delegation from our shores, but we flat turned them down after the visit. Your media went as far as publishing that Bangladesh did not have any yards.

Now we turned GRSE all of a sudden as the shining example of Indian high tech.

@damiendehorn see what these Sanghis are barking about?

This one is yet to be constructed there, right ?

Maybe and maybe not.

Also It's only a question of time before the Indian Navy builds even larger destroyers, with longer range indigenous SAMs with BMD capability.

You forgot 'indigenous' photon death rays.

@Bilal9's lies exposed again. India has much higher HDI, improving at a much faster rate.

Lies and more cherry picking lies.

https://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime...tpaces-india-on-human-development-indicators/

More daydreaming...you will get a modified Type 053H3 like the F22P at the best... If your yards can manage it, that is.

Wrong!!!!

We are getting several existing 053H3s from PLAN fleet.

Then we are building six stealth guided missile destroyers of a NEW design.

Now burn.