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Discssion: Why it is better for PAF to enter 5th Gen league now .

3 Squadron of any fifth generation platform combined with updated version of JF-17 in high numbers will suffice the defensive needs of PAF for next decade. The more important requirement is to get on board with friendly countries or start own program for the development of indigenous fifth generation fighter, in the meantime.
 
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what Rafale did when they entered first in Libya’s war with operation Harmattan ??

The plane took of from north of France, flight straight to Libya , they entered the country & Libyan S-300 air Defence systems could not detect it . They destroyed all Libyan Air defences shot a part themselves to free access for the second wave of aircraft which finished destroyed the rest of those targets. Then they stayed on the air to keep air interdiction against Libya’s fighters. The mission was about 9 hours… (pilots might have napkins ) :-)


on the other hand j-20 & pak-fa have yet to show their capabilities . :-)
J-20 and PAK-FA will far better than RAFALE and those are in developmental stages and b/w as for your information libya had no S-300:lol::rofl:
 
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Unlike its enemies , PAF is has low budget and thus takes long time to save up money to procure new products. After PAF upgrades all thunders to block 3 standards + 76 F-16s (18 block 52) , it will have a great force but not enough to hold off Many mkis and rafales. Now when people talk about SU-35 , They forget that SU-35 if PAF would ever seeked for then it wouldnt make a max fleet of more than 36. Those 36 SU-35 could help much but only until the opponent gets S400 and also super sukhoi upgrades. Super sukhoi upgrades will definitely be to some level on par with SU-35 so again now as quality gap lessens , quantity gap matters and as you know PAF wont be able to afford and MAINTAIN more SU-35s. So in easy words , those SU-35s procurement would go to rubble. Now talking of eft , eft and rafale are are tough competitors of each other and pilot skills matter in their combat . India plans currently to get 36 rafales. EFT purchase for PAF is a big hurdle plus they are expensive and high risk of sanction during war. So this option must be clearly out of mind. Now answer to the stupid rumours that PAF will get SU-35/Eft , look as i mentioned earlier , PAF is low budget , and as india last month again showed their strong interest in T-50 modified version FGFA , tbh this jet would be available to be inducted by 2025 and if PAF gets eft or su35 now than PAF wont have money until at least 2028 to get a 5th gen platform.. This way IAF's big jump towards FGFA could prove disastrous for whole of PAF imaginary fleet of su35/eft and also to F-16s and JF17s. The best answer to Rafale would be J-31 v2 because rafale will give india access to MBDA meteor missile with range more than 200km. So along with J-31 , Paf will get PL-12G , PL-15 and possibly modified PL-21 VLRAAMs believed to be more than 400+km which along with combined advantage of stealth couldale the purchase of s400 and rafale useless for india as J-31 would give PAF superiority overall. Not to forget that rafale itself is very low rcs aircraft so even eft will have hardtime tracking it. And what we believe is that sonce now China is inducting J-20 this month, SU-35 bought by china will be stationed on Gwadar to protect port as it is on lease with china so it is China's sole responsibility to protect it by means which Pakistan cannot such as naval and aerial threats. Land threats can easily be neutralised by Pak army.
40-50 J-31 along by time period of 2025 so rafale will have its opponent ready. After completing the block 3 and possibly block 4 , PAC must start focusing on 5th gen project (own or TFX (single engine config to replace F-16 fleet) ) as stated multiple times by Airchief that PAF will have indigenous 5th gen fighter by 2030 so those indigenous will replace F-16s while J-31 could prove stopgap and counter rafale. As for MIG-29 and other indian jets , Thunders (eachequipped with KLJ-7A), SAMs such has HQ-9 and HQ-16A/B are very much enough and even could prove deadly for mkis since HQ-9 is a modified better version of S300 AND mki IS SUCH A HUGE AIRCRAFT (srry for ignoring the suberb ECM of mki)

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Buddy the time frame you are taking about in that Only more Thunders and F16 will come till chinese 5th Gen Birds are matured enough
And China parking su 35 on Gwadar ? Not even funny buddy
Pakistan has almost 70 million armed civilians and the Indian capital is just a stone throw away across a friendly flat terrain, we've marched on it dozens of times before across centuries, they attack Kashmir, we'd attack their capital with more armed combatants than the armies of the rest of the world combined. Our nukes are the least of India's worries. Its our primary enemy, we have no feud with anyone else, not even with you lot.
Having Armed Citizen wont help you, they will come in play if its gorilla warfare which PA has lost area and citizens are standing with remaining forces in area as india enjoy numeric advantage
Lets assume these guys are Moving And able to push IA back into indian border how many of these armed citizen can keep up , provide ammo , supplies , and understand how Infantry moves and how many will be able to keep up with pace

For Pakistan Needs superior networked fast rapid forcd
Which holds upper hand in tech
While have decent platforms to take a push survive and able to go on offence
Currently its Only Nuclear weapons of Pakistan are holding indian Forces bay
 
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Pakistan has almost 70 million armed civilians and the Indian capital is just a stone throw away across a friendly flat terrain, we've marched on it dozens of times before across centuries, they attack Kashmir, we'd attack their capital with more armed combatants than the armies of the rest of the world combined. Our nukes are the least of India's worries. Its our primary enemy, we have no feud with anyone else, not even with you lot.
these 70 million armed civilians must be in hibernation mode in 65 and 71 !!
 
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We are developing a radiation homing warhead for our cruise missiles to pay their S-400s a friendly visit for up to a 1000kms and just in case you forgot to get the cue it can be used to kill their ships too. God bless our new Submarines. :coffee:
owwww you had this covered too!!!! So awesome bro, there's an easy solution for everything!
 
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Before you people jump into hype of fifth generation do some real research

The f22,raptor and f35 can only fly once every two or three days. It takes that long to reapply ram coating and other service work after each flight.

In contrast fourth gen fighters fly twice a day

The cost per hour if each flight is twice or three times per hour of a falcon .


They carry half the load of falcons and the extensive networking in the planes keep breaking down
The fifth gen can work for China and usa but will be financial disaster for most

India made the smart move with rafale far more combat proven and massive load and sortie rates
 
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Pakistan has almost 70 million armed civilians and the Indian capital is just a stone throw away across a friendly flat terrain, we've marched on it dozens of times before across centuries, they attack Kashmir, we'd attack their capital with more armed combatants than the armies of the rest of the world combined. Our nukes are the least of India's worries. Its our primary enemy, we have no feud with anyone else, not even with you lot.

Loool who is the aforementioned 'we'? Punjabi or Sindhi Muslims?
 
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Before you people jump into hype of fifth generation do some real research

The f22,raptor and f35 can only fly once every two or three days. It takes that long to reapply ram coating and other service work after each flight.

In contrast fourth gen fighters fly twice a day

The cost per hour if each flight is twice or three times per hour of a falcon .


They carry half the load of falcons and the extensive networking in the planes keep breaking down
The fifth gen can work for China and usa but will be financial disaster for most

India made the smart move with rafale far more combat proven and massive load and sortie rates
thnx for the info as i really got to learn from u
 
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what Rafale did when they entered first in Libya’s war with operation Harmattan ??

The plane took of from north of France, flight straight to Libya , they entered the country & Libyan S-300 air Defence systems could not detect it . They destroyed all Libyan Air defences shot a part themselves to free access for the second wave of aircraft which finished destroyed the rest of those targets. Then they stayed on the air to keep air interdiction against Libya’s fighters. The mission was about 9 hours… (pilots might have napkins ) :-)


on the other hand j-20 & pak-fa have yet to show their capabilities . :-)
can you share with us information on Libyan S300!!!
 
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dont you think a heavily air defenced country such as india will be even hard to nuke using stealth platform...concentration and multi layered air defences
We should have both for defense we should have multilayered short, medium and long range SAMS and for attack we should have have stealth jets and stealth cruise missiles like AGM-129, NSM or turkish SOM
 
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Seems like Pakistani Airforce is quite keen on 5th Generation platform , it was stated various times in Air Cheif's announcements and press releases

And recently the J-31 has been shown in Chinese exhibition I think end of last year

j-31_zhuhai_2014_0.jpg
 
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