Differences crop up with Russia over Pak fa ..

[Hyperion]

I don't get it. Someone educate me as to what actually happened. A summary would suffice!

 

[faithfulguy]

Where did you get the idea of breaking India.i have seen you using the same line of argument in most of the threads about India.

I get that India from the history of India and of the world. Such as what happened in Yugolsavia, Czeckolsavakia.

 

[madooxno9]

Well the demands made by Indian side is totally justified and logical. Why a nation would JV with Russia if they will not get the knowledge out of it. Russia is one of the most reliable and long term partner , i am sure they will do justice and let us have the access to technical aspect.

I see it as short-term problem.

 

[faithfulguy]

Well the demands made by Indian side is totally justified and logical. Why a nation would JV with Russia if they will not get the knowledge out of it. Russia is one of the most reliable and long term partner , i am sure they will do justice and let us have the access to technical aspect.

I see it as short-term problem.

russia will not part with the engine material technology. That is not realistic.

 

[sovcomflot]

Yes, India's role will be to absorb most of China's 3000 nukes. Thanks to USA, India will finally get what it deserves.

China has 300 aimed at india and 200-300 for usa.30-40 aimed at russia. Rest of the arsenal is tactical nukes out of 900-1500 warheads it has.

Lets not even go there...

Like how N.Korea sunk a SK destroyer and USA did nothing? Libya,Iran ,Iraq played both sides.Syria did not. That is why ,Russia has done everything to protect syria.

You have all the answers and you are the judge now.

Seems you are full of BS.Only UK and Israel are the nations that have access to strategic technologies of USA. USA never gave pakistan nuclear sub ,despite Pakistan being member of CENTO and SEATO.

Russia gave us Charlie SSGN,Akula SSN and helped in construction of Arihant.

 

[That Guy]

Differences crop up with Russia over fighter jet deal

Ajay Banerjee
Tribune News Service

(replaced original picture because it was the wrong plane -That Guy)

New Delhi October 5
Difference of opinion has cropped up between long-term partners India and Russia over the prestigious project to jointly develop and produce the next generation fighter planes.

The two countries had agreed in 2010 to develop the fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA), which at $ 30 billion USD would be the biggest defence deal ever in the world.

The preliminary design contract (PDC) phase costing $ 295 million was completed on June 19. However, New Delhi and Moscow will take at least an year more to take the next step -- that is signing of the final design Research and Development (R&D) contract worth $ 11 billion. The draft contracts for the proposed R&D were exchanged in mid-2012. India’s share is $ 5.5 billion.

Since then, developments have lost pace. Sources said India wants access to technical data and be a contributor in the R&D as that will enable its teams to get experience. Also, India is seeking a ban on the sale of the plane to other countries. Indian planners accept in private is that Russia, or any other country, would never part with engine design specifications and metallurgy. “India is looking to be more than a monetary contributor in the deal”, said the source.

The IAF Chief, Air Chief Marshal NAK Browne, confirmed yesterday that brakes had been put on the FGFA project, at least for now. “We are still working on the R&D contract. It will take one more year. Technical discussions are on. Till we get technical details, which we need to know, we cannot even get to the issue of discussing financial terms and conditions”, the IAF Chief said.

The first hint of delay was when Russian President Vladimir Putin visited Delhi in December last year but the R&D contract was not signed.

The first induction was planned for 2022, but the assessment within the MoD is that it will be delayed. Four prototypes of the code-named ‘PAK-FA’ are already flying in Russia.

The plane has stealth features enabling it to be somewhat masked from enemy radars. It will have advanced features such as super-cruise, ultra-manoeuvrability, highly integrated avionics suite, enhanced situational awareness, internal carriage of weapons (that is under-carriage weapons will not be visible) and network centric warfare capabilities.

Only when the R&D contract is signed, the FGFA prototypes will be available in India. The first is slated in 2014. It will be flight-tested by Indian pilots and monitored by Indian engineers. Two more prototypes will follow in 2017 and 2019. The last will be the final version on which the FGFA will be based.

What India wants

-Access to technical data and be a contributor in the research & development

-This will enable its teams to get vital experience.

-Ban on the sale of the plane to other countries.

-The two countries had agreed in 2010 to develop the fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA)

-At $30 billion, it was the biggest defence deal ever in the world

The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Nation - original source.

- To my Indian friends, you're welcome for fixing the format. -That Guy.

@Hyperion, just read the part that says "What India wants" for a summary. -That Guy.

 

[Dash]

Its always better to fight a clear enemy than one that's within your borders. China has a good advantage there. Its still no match for the US military might but it has progressed far from its reach of self imploding countries. We shall both be hopefully alive for another 50 years to see how the world shapes up. One thing is for sure that we will continue to buy their weapons even 50 years from now.

They will never have to fight another war like afghanistan or iraq. Or so they are hoping. They are reshaping the world just to make those goals a reality. Nothing is perfectly planned. Everything is predicted to a certain degree from where it can take off on its own. Some things work, while somethings dont. As long as all these things can be experimented outside the US borders, it is a win win situation for the US machine.

We do not know how the fuel of the future will look like. If it is oil that we continue to use then let me tell you again that US will be the last country using oil as fuel even 20 years after everyone has run out. We can find an easy way of looking at US undeclared oil reserves due to the no drilling option practiced by them while importing foreign crude till its attainable hassle free or with minimum hassle.

My friend its too early to be a topic to be discussed, when we are talking about recent foreseeable future, but you are right in saying fuel/energy will be the cause of military disputes.

But before that dispute arises and countries start sailing their ships towards each other, this world as we see in next 50-60 years would have changed from now. And clearly at that point China and India would be in a much better place.

Now coming back to the original topic where we started saying India could be a victim of conspiracies or democratic fall out presided by west is not happening or the chances of such is close to remotest remote. The Chinese in all possible scenario are trying hard with you to get a chance to distabilize India and I again reiterate that we have been successful so far in preventing all of that and will continue doing so.

So when someone said if the west wants it can bring India to its knees, I am saying the west doesnt want it but our immediate east and west both have been pursuing this actively against us and we have defended it well and we are not in our knees.

If today India is running through a bad phase, I again reiterate its our own actions that have made us so and I dont see a foreign hand.

I hope I made my stand clear on the topic.

 

[chhota bheem]

I get that India from the history of India and of the world. Such as what happened in Yugolsavia, Czeckolsavakia.

So what do think about china, will tiwan remain an independent country ,i dont want to get into other parts of china......as per your logic we can have lot of independent countries in future.just dont stop at India.

 

[faithfulguy]

So what do think about china, will tiwan remain an independent country ,i dont want to get into other parts of china......as per your logic we can have lot of independent countries in future.just dont stop at India.

Taiwan was not created along the British rail lines. Its already an independent country, it claims the whole China, include south tibet, as the country of Republic of China.

 

[noname1]

China has 300 aimed at india and 200-300 for usa.30-40 aimed at russia. Rest of the arsenal is tactical nukes out of 900-1500 warheads it has.



Like how N.Korea sunk a SK destroyer and USA did nothing? Libya,Iran ,Iraq played both sides.Syria did not. That is why ,Russia has done everything to protect syria.



Seems you are full of BS.Only UK and Israel are the nations that have access to strategic technologies of USA. USA never gave pakistan nuclear sub ,despite Pakistan being member of CENTO and SEATO.

Russia gave us Charlie SSGN,Akula SSN and helped in construction of Arihant.

China is estimated by the Federation of American Scientists to have an arsenal of about 180 active nuclear weapon warheads and 240 total warheads as of 2009, which would make it the second smallest nuclear arsenal amongst the five nuclear weapon states acknowledged by the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. According to some estimates, the country could "more than double" the "number of warheads on missiles that could threaten the United States by the mid-2020s".[5]

 

[sovcomflot]

China is estimated by the Federation of American Scientists to have an arsenal of about 180 active nuclear weapon warheads and 240 total warheads as of 2009, which would make it the second smallest nuclear arsenal amongst the five nuclear weapon states acknowledged by the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. According to some estimates, the country could "more than double" the "number of warheads on missiles that could threaten the United States by the mid-2020s".[5]

There are estimates on higher end of 3000 .Russian generals say 900-1500 nukes. other sources say 400.