Did Tariq Ibn Ziyad burn his ships?

[474474]

No I didn't Quran clearly says follow ALLAH and his rRASOOL SAW and to follow RASOOL SAW you have to follow Hadees and Mr by not reading Hadees you will not even know how to pray how to pay zakat how to perform Hajj and many more things

You know, millions are doing just that
Ever heard of Shi'a, Agha Khani, Bohri?
The world can go round just fine without some random people claiming to narrate the Prophet

Personally I have no problem with following the ProphetSAW, but then again don't expect me to blindly believe some dude called Bukhari

 

[Zarvan]

You know, millions are doing just that
Ever heard of Shi'a, Agha Khani, Bohri?
The world can go round just fine without some random people claiming to narrate the Prophet

Personally I have no problem with following the ProphetSAW, but then again don't expect me to blindly believe some dude called Bukhari

Mr Shia have their own Hadees books and all other 99 % Muslims follow Hadees because Quran have only orders in it Details are in Hadees first do research than talk Sir

 

[kas786]

Mr Shia have their own Hadees books and all other 99 % Muslims follow Hadees because Quran have only orders in it Details are in Hadees first do research than talk Sir

Sorry but...

[6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?* Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt

[6:38] All the creatures on earth, and all the birds that fly with wings, are communities like you. We did not leave anything out of this book.** To their Lord, all these creatures will be summoned

[6:115] The word of your Lord is complete,* in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient

 

[474474]

Mr Shia have their own Hadees books and all other 99 % Muslims follow Hadees because Quran have only orders in it Details are in Hadees first do research than talk Sir

Wow. Just wow. You didnt get a word Isaid, did you?

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Sorry but...

[6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?* Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt

[6:38] All the creatures on earth, and all the birds that fly with wings, are communities like you. We did not leave anything out of this book.** To their Lord, all these creatures will be summoned

[6:115] The word of your Lord is complete,* in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient

Kas786's post proves it, we don't need hadith or five imams or ahlul bait or whatever, the Quran is enough.

 

[Doctor09]

After reading all of your posts i only want to say few words :
Quran tells us about the laws of Islam and Allah can send Quran without Prophet PBUH but Allah send his Prophet PBUH so that he PBUH teaches Muslims about the laws by becoming a role model . So Prophet PBUH practically teaches us about the Laws of Quran and explains these Laws in Hadiths . So yes Quran is a complete book but its laws are described in detail in Hadiths. For example . Allah order us to say prayer but The way how to say prayer is described in Hadith and its practocally performed by Prophet PBUH .
In Quran it is clearly mentioned that " Prophets dont say anything without the permission of Allah and their act is also by the order of Allah so by this it is cleared that Hadiths are also the orders from Allah and Prophets tells us about these orders.
There are levels about Islamic masails . 1. Quran . 2 . Sunnah . 3. hadith 4. Ijtehad

 

[474474]

After reading all of your posts i only want to say few words :
Quran tells us about the laws of Islam and Allah can send Quran without Prophet PBUH but Allah send his Prophet PBUH so that he PBUH teaches Muslims about the laws by becoming a role model . So Prophet PBUH practically teaches us about the Laws of Quran and explains these Laws in Hadiths . So yes Quran is a complete book but its laws are described in detail in Hadiths. For example . Allah order us to say prayer but The way how to say prayer is described in Hadith and its practocally performed by Prophet PBUH .
In Quran it is clearly mentioned that " Prophets dont say anything without the permission of Allah and their act is also by the order of Allah so by this it is cleared that Hadiths are also the orders from Allah and Prophets tells us about these orders.
There are levels about Islamic masails . 1. Quran . 2 . Sunnah . 3. hadith 4. Ijtehad

No one here friggin said we have a problem with the ProphetSA, if any of the stuff in bukhari the prophet told me personlly i'd believe it. MY ONLY FRIGGIN PROBLEM HERE IS WHO IS BUKHARI?????

 

[Doctor09]

But brothers we are not scholars and we can not issue judgment on any Islamic Laws . But a scholar can tell you what is exactly the way . i personally think that we should not indulge in religious arguments without full knowledge . Kahein yeah na hu hum apnay Iman say b jatay rahain kuch galat bhol kar

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No one here friggin said we have a problem with the ProphetSA, if any of the stuff in bukhari the prophet told me personlly i'd believe it. MY ONLY FRIGGIN PROBLEM HERE IS [B]WHO IS BUKHARI?????[/B]

dont show me how stupid you are ok. dont quote my posts for you ridiculous reply .
About Imam Bhukhari you should educate yourself and learn about Islam a little bit before arguing

 

[474474]

But brothers we are not scholars and we can not issue judgment on any Islamic Laws . But a scholar can tell you what is exactly the way . i personally think that we should not indulge in religious arguments without full knowledge . Kahein yeah na hu hum apnay Iman say b jatay rahain kuch galat bhol kar

Don;t make me post that picture again.
That's EXACTLY the problem. Let me clear it out for you: there is no such thing as a scholar.
And don't write entire posts in bold, it's annoying.

 

[Doctor09]

Don;t make me post that picture again.
That's EXACTLY the problem. Let me clear it out for you: there is no such thing as a scholar.
And don't write entire posts in bold, it's annoying.

well said mr. you yourself is a scholar .
when there is a person for every special field like a pilot who fly airplane and a doctor who treat patient , so if you ask a pilot to do job of a doctor , what will he do ? he will kill patients . when every field requires a specialist then why not Islam have scholars .

 

[Doctor09]

Don;t make me post that picture again.
That's EXACTLY the problem. Let me clear it out for you: there is no such thing as a scholar.
And don't write entire posts in bold, it's annoying.

“And when the foolish address them (with bad words) they reply back with mild words of gentleness.”
Surah Al-Furqan:63

 

[474474]

well said mr. you yourself is a scholar .
when there is a person for every special field like a pilot who fly airplane and a doctor who treat patient , so if you ask a pilot to do job of a doctor , what will he do ? he will kill patients . when every field requires a specialist then why not Islam have scholars .

Religion is, was and always should be a personal matter - but for the other field you mentioned they aren't a personal matter. Also, if a person can fly a plane he's a pilot, if a person can diagnose and prescribe medicine he is a doctor; but what defines a scholar?
Your so called Scholars are counter productive and a burden on the economy - millions pay fees to go study at their madrassas, millions in govt. subsidies for these wastes of space.
Most scholars are only good at three things: eat, sleep and making babies.
Although a few good ones are there, but we could still go without any scholars nonetheless.

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“And when the foolish address them (with bad words) they reply back with mild words of gentleness.”
Surah Al-Furqan:63

You can't handle a debate? You know, I think I'll just post it again

 

[Doctor09]

Religion is, was and always should be a personal matter - but for the other field you mentioned they aren't a personal matter. Also, if a person can fly a plane he's a pilot, if a person can diagnose and prescribe medicine he is a doctor; but what defines a scholar?
Your so called Scholars are counter productive and a burden on the economy - millions pay fees to go study at their madrassas, millions in govt. subsidies for these wastes of space.
Most scholars are only good at three things: eat, sleep and making babies.
Although a few good ones are there, but we could still go without any scholars nonetheless.

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You can't handle a debate? You know, I think I'll just post it again

Thanks for your kind replies . yes i cant handle this debate . i said what i think is right . I conveyed my message . For you is your deeds and for me are my deeds .

 

[474474]

Thanks for your kind replies . yes i cant handle this debate . i said what i think is right . I conveyed my message . For you is your deeds and for me are my deeds .

Your message has no meaning, you shove dogma down my throat - while I try to convince you with reason. Do reply unless you accept defeat
"There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path." 2:256(part)

 

[pak-marine]

you can't follow Quran without following Hadees

according to who ? source please

 

[Zarvan]

Wow. Just wow. You didnt get a word Isaid, did you?

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Kas786's post proves it, we don't need hadith or five imams or ahlul bait or whatever, the Quran is enough.

tell me the method of Salah or Zakat or Hajj or Fasting from Quran you will not find it there Mr

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according to who ? source please

MR tell me the method of Salah or Zakat or Hajj just looking at Quran you will not find any detail of any order in the Quran