Did anza missiles fail during kargil?

[Jf Thunder]

Either of them in this part of the world?

i think in SAAB Erieye maybe?

 

[Kloitra]

i think in SAAB Erieye maybe?

I meant in fighters. AWACS would generally be kept far away from hostile areas.

 

[Jf Thunder]

I meant in fighters. AWACS would generally be kept far away from hostile areas.

well the pic he posted was also of a C 130 i think, i doubt any normal 4th Gen fighter would have it

 

[Kloitra]

well the pic he posted was also of a C 130 i think, i doubt any normal 4th Gen fighter would have it

The ground attack ones would be most venerable to MANPADs. A transport/AWAC would generally fly in safer areas. Is what I think.
@Oscar

 

[narcon]

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well the pic he posted was also of a C 130 i think, i doubt any normal 4th Gen fighter would have it

This?

 

[Jf Thunder]

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This?

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i think so

 

[SQ8]

The ground attack ones would be most venerable to MANPADs. A transport/AWAC would generally fly in safer areas. Is what I think.
@Oscar

That example was to demonstrate the amount of flares that are now increasingly needed to evade newer and newer IR threats.

 

[Kloitra]

That example was to demonstrate the amount of flares that are now increasingly needed to evade newer and newer IR threats.

That brings me back to original question, as I think a fighter would not release this amount of flares. Are the fighters in the subcontinent well equipped against modern manpads?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

That brings me back to original question, as I think a fighter would not release this amount of flares. Are the fighters in the subcontinent well equipped against modern manpads?

yes

fly higher beyond their range

@Oscar

these ANZA finds in the middle east can SO much screw us. its just a matter of time one one these Haji's uses them to down a commercial airliner and leaves the launcher with markings and name for a convenient find and a top breaking story for CNN, BBC, Fox, Al Jazera English etc.

 

[SQ8]

yes

fly higher beyond their range

@Oscar

these ANZA finds in the middle east can SO much screw us. its just a matter of time one one these Haji's uses them to down a commercial airliner and leaves the launcher with markings and name for a convenient find and a top breaking story for CNN, BBC, Fox, Al Jazera English etc.

Not much that can be done other than granting a End user certificate.

Considering the rate at which the nutcases are getting smarter.. you might find the next news being that of a Mushaq being rigged with explosives and flown into a building.

 

[tarrar]

Both Indian birds were shot down by Anza, topic closed.

 

[Kloitra]

yes

fly higher beyond their range

Effectively no CM available in our part? I am talking about CAS. Or am I mistaken? I thought they would fly close to ground for air support. I honestly am uninformed with both the roles of planes in CAS and manpads.
Flying high would simply reduce MANPADs for helis - IAF did learned in a single day how to bypass them.

 

[Krate M]

The Idea of Pakistani Generals (Musharraf) was great, we did reach our goal to capture all the heights, to cut the indian supplys, and that with a combination of Paramilitary Forces-NLI, Mujahid-voulanters-Forces. We failed in the military logistics, to maintenance the conquered indian posts, evacuation of injured personall, and disposition of materiel, construction of heavy all weather Bunkers.
And now imagne if the full Pakistani military would have been involved. And everything would have been planed from HQ level down to the single NLI Soldier, regarding equipment and training. Kargil would have been delcared as a disaster for India, but so the military history for the Pakistan and India resulted in a draw or ended in a tie (Victory can be claimed, but I dont see any for both sides, I hope its Ok for the Indian readers here

The idea was even more audacious than you think. The idea was to take siachen by making resupply difficult through the road, after sufficient weakening attack siachen. This was in Musharraf's book review.
But having said that I would say it was a loss for Pakistan, reason being that India wanted status quo and got it, that too with relatively lesser casualties. If anything, the casualties on Pakistan side are shocking given the advantage of reinforced heights that they had. An infantry push without airforce and artillery barrage would have lead to much more casualties on our side.
It didnt lead to any major effect on our side but lead to a regime change in yours, also re-organizing of NLI etc.
It was a loss for India Pakistan peace process for sure. If kargil had not happened, the peace process might have changed the whole paradigm of relations.

 

[shaheenmissile]

If Anza was so useless,then why IAF stopped all air raids for a few days and then replaced Migs with mirages and sukhois and that too with guided munition as they could not come to low altitide due to fear of being shot down.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Not much that can be done other than granting a End user certificate.

Considering the rate at which the nutcases are getting smarter.. you might find the next news being that of a Mushaq being rigged with explosives and flown into a building.

for Halal dollars we will give away anything. swab will be just an added bonus.

right wing media taunts the Pakistan army for fighting an American war in Waziristan as a mercenary but the same media chokes down with religious emotion and zeal and praises those ex soldiers who are always available to quell the unrest in Bahrain, earn Dinari Sawab and confirm their tickets for heaven too

it will bite us back when the TTP brothers in arms of FSA and ISIS might return back with some of these POF goodies and decide to test them on PIA and PAF aircrafts