Did anza missiles fail during kargil?

[Bratva]

Irrelevent now. Anza is getting highly advanced sensors in the III upgrade. @Oscar can explain this.

It's a rumor just like Baktar Shikan rumor about getting seeker. If we had a homegrown IIR seeker program, we might have seen it both on Baktar and Anza

 

[Kompromat]

Baktar Shikan with Laser Beam Riding projectile is underway. Confirmed!

Baktar Shikan with Laser Beam Riding projectile is underway. Confirmed!

 

[Bratva]

Baktar Shikan with Laser Beam Riding projectile is underway. Confirmed!

Baktar Shikan with Laser Beam Riding projectile is underway. Confirmed!

The first news about Anza with improved stock grip and IIR seeker in mark 3 version emerged in Janes in 2006-7, About Baktar shikan, news emerged in 2009-10. The timeframe suggests, either lack of funds or lack of interest has put such upgrade program on back burner.

 

[SQ8]

Irrelevent now. Anza is getting highly advanced sensors in the III upgrade. @Oscar can explain this.

Nothing that nobody else has. Essentially Anza III is the essentially a booster version of the QW-2.

No resistance because F16 got painted red again and again by BVRs while F7 were sitting ducks.
Aeronaut: Kargil Conflict and Pakistan Air Force
PS - Not my words but your own ex chief.

First, he was never the Chief. The F-16 did get painted on and it painted back as well. Two years later the IAF reports came out that 70% of the missile stock that was flying in Kargil was essentially expired or rusting.. So I am not sure how it would have played out.

 

[JonAsad]

No resistance because F16 got painted red again and again by BVRs while F7 were sitting ducks.
Aeronaut: Kargil Conflict and Pakistan Air Force
PS - Not my words but your own ex chief.

Not that it matters but now we have upgraded Anza and BVR capability-
What did you do to your Migs to up the anti?-

 

[GORKHALI]

Nothing that nobody else has. Essentially Anza III is the essentially a booster version of the QW-2.


First, he was never the Chief. The F-16 did get painted on and it painted back as well. Two years later the IAF reports came out that 70% of the missile stock that was flying in Kargil was essentially expired or rusting.. So I am not sure how it would have played out.

My bad. Director of Operations of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) during the kargil toh the na miya.

You always look for half glass empty not the other way around,30% of BVR did scared the PAF and it works for IAF.

 

[SQ8]

My bad. Director of Operations of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) during the kargil toh the na miya.

You always look for half glass empty not the other way around,30% of BVR did scared the PAF and it works for IAF.

I could say the same to you. The PAF knew its limitations, considering you also read the whole account half empty

 

[GORKHALI]

Not that it matters but now we have upgraded Anza and BVR capability-
What did you do to your Migs to up the anti?-

Migs got jacked up with Chaff and flare and now they are mere 2nd line force .Su 30mki is new boy in the city.

 

[Armstrong]

First, he was never the Chief. The F-16 did get painted on and it painted back as well. Two years later the IAF reports came out that 70% of the missile stock that was flying in Kargil was essentially expired or rusting.. So I am not sure how it would have played out.

Do you think a similar Appraisal is carried out in Pakistan as well or are we mostly living off 'romanticized notions' of 'himat-e-mardan...madad-e-khuddaa' ?

 

[GORKHALI]

I could say the same to you. The PAF knew its limitations, considering you also read the whole account half empty

Very well.

 

[JonAsad]

Migs got jacked up with Chaff and flare and now they are mere 2nd line force .Su 30mki is new boy in the city.

Do you know which upgrade in Anza to its sensors we are talking about?-
Modern IR seekers can distinguish between a flare and a target-
and
Su 30 is an air superiority fighter not gona be used for ground attacks where Anza comes into play-

 

[GORKHALI]

Do you know which upgrade in Anza to its sensors we are talking about?-
Modern IR seekers can distinguish between a flare and a target-
and
Su 30 is an air superiority fighter not gona be used for ground attacks where Anza comes into play-

Anza is Shoulder fire SAM,modern aircrafts hardly comes in that range even if you shooting from Mountain top.So keep it aside.

Su 30mki is more like a swing role aircraft.

Air-to-surface Missiles:

• 3 × Kh-59ME TV guided standoff Missile, 115 km
• 3 × Kh-59MK active radar homing anti-ship missile, 285 km
• 4 × Kh-35 anti-ship missile, 130 km
• 1 × Brahmos supersonic cruise missile, 300 km(Development)
• 3 × Brahmos-M supersonic cruise missile, 300 km(Development)
• 1 × Nirbhay subsonic cruise missile, 1,000 km(Development)
• 6 × Kh-31P/A anti-radar missile, 70 km
• 6 × Kh-29T/L laser-guided missile, 30 km
• 4 × S-8 rocket pods (80 unguided rockets)
• 4 × S-13 rocket pods (20 unguided rockets)

Bombs:

• 8 × KAB-500L laser-guided bombs
• 3 × KAB-1500L laser-guided bombs
• 8 × FAB-500T dumb bombs
• 28 × OFAB-250-270 dumb bombs
• 32 × OFAB-100-120 dumb bombs
• 8 × RBK-500 cluster bombs

 

[JonAsad]

Anza is Shoulder fire SAM,modern aircrafts hardly comes in that range even if you shooting from Mountain top.So keep it aside.

Su 30mki is more like a swing role aircraft.

Air-to-surface Missiles:

• 3 × Kh-59ME TV guided standoff Missile, 115 km
• 3 × Kh-59MK active radar homing anti-ship missile, 285 km
• 4 × Kh-35 anti-ship missile, 130 km
• 1 × Brahmos supersonic cruise missile, 300 km(Development)
• 3 × Brahmos-M supersonic cruise missile, 300 km(Development)
• 1 × Nirbhay subsonic cruise missile, 1,000 km(Development)
• 6 × Kh-31P/A anti-radar missile, 70 km
• 6 × Kh-29T/L laser-guided missile, 30 km
• 4 × S-8 rocket pods (80 unguided rockets)
• 4 × S-13 rocket pods (20 unguided rockets)

Bombs:

• 8 × KAB-500L laser-guided bombs
• 3 × KAB-1500L laser-guided bombs
• 8 × FAB-500T dumb bombs
• 28 × OFAB-250-270 dumb bombs
• 32 × OFAB-100-120 dumb bombs
• 8 × RBK-500 cluster bombs

Ehm- In Kargil like situation i highly doubt Su30 will be used in ground missions- you got migs for that- you will not risk the air superiority fighter in ground missions-
So when we talk about Migs Jags or Mirages the Anza mk2 or 3 is pretty much relevant-

 

[Krate M]

The reason this topic is being discussed is to ascertain the accuracy of claims and historically correct estimates.
The first mig ingested gas while strafing at high altitude leading to engine failure.
The second mig was flying slow to search for the first mig and did not have the envelope to use countermeasures.
Heptors can be brought down by RPGs too. Especially if the shooter team is at high altitude.

 

[Krate M]

The F-16 did get painted on and it painted back as well. Two years later the IAF reports came out that 70% of the missile stock that was flying in Kargil was essentially expired or rusting.

I had read a kaiser tufail article stating that there had been a spare problem with the f16 ( due to pressler amendment /sanctions) which was the only bvr capable platform then. So the PAF decided not to engage especially given the army stating that there would be stingers on each peak and the air force was not needed in this conflict.
On the other hand IAF had several bvr capable platforms in mig29 25 and mirage. Can you give me a source of that 70% claim? Because the inventories of mirage and mig had different age. At the point PAF's approach was logical and in line with army's view.
This point is a bit off topic though.