Did anza missiles fail during kargil?

[Capt.Popeye]

Than now you have get a lot of information, and if you look back at the battlefield, on which places the Anza could have failed what do think ? In which way ?............My Idea is that on the peaks and hights above 5000m this MANPAD could have a mailfunction, but thats not something new for us, it is well known fact that such sensible weapons can get problems at such hights (The seeker head).

The answer to that is provided by Air Cdre. Kaiser Tufail (aka the asli Aeronaut) himself, albeit in a generalised fashion.
He says: "Lt Gen Mehmud assured us that air support was not envisaged and that his forces could take care of enemy aircraft, if they intervened. “I have Stingers on every peak,” he announced. Air Cdre Saleem tried to point out the limited envelope of these types of missiles and said that nothing stopped the IAF from attacking the posts and artillery pieces from high altitude."
The above exchange took place at 10 Corps HQ at a briefing attended by Air Cdre Abid Rao, Air Cdre Saleem Nawaz and (then) Gp Capt Kaiser Tufail on behalf of the PAF.

Air Cdre Saleem was not wrong. In any case that misadventure of Musharrafff and his "Cabal of 4" on the heights of Kargil allowed the IA to lay its hands on both Stingers and Anzas abandoned by retreating PA soldiers among a cache of other weaponry; is'nt it @Ulla ?
That was useful in working on the CMs required in India.

@Irfan Baloch; hope that you have overcome your sudden sharp attack of a "gas" problem!

 

[shaheenmissile]

Indian Nag missile failed miserably and thats why they resorted to importing Israeli spike anti tank missiles.
Now to cover their own shame dissing our missiles.

 

[Inception-06]

The answer to that is provided by Air Cdre. Kaiser Tufail (aka the asli Aeronaut) himself, albeit in a generalised fashion.
He says: "Lt Gen Mehmud assured us that air support was not envisaged and that his forces could take care of enemy aircraft, if they intervened. “I have Stingers on every peak,” he announced. Air Cdre Saleem tried to point out the limited envelope of these types of missiles and said that nothing stopped the IAF from attacking the posts and artillery pieces from high altitude."
The above exchange took place at 10 Corps HQ at a briefing attended by Air Cdre Abid Rao, Air Cdre Saleem Nawaz and (then) Gp Capt Kaiser Tufail on behalf of the PAF.

Air Cdre Saleem was not wrong. In any case that misadventure of Musharrafff and his "Cabal of 4" on the heights of Kargil allowed the IA to lay its hands on both Stingers and Anzas abandoned by retreating PA soldiers among a cache of other weaponry; is'nt it @Ulla ?
That was useful in working on the CMs required in India.

@Irfan Baloch; hope that you have overcome your sudden sharp attack of a "gas" problem!

IA did capture some Stingers yes but not Anzas ! And Kaisers comment:"to point out the limited envelope of these types of missiles" is related to the Stingers but not the Anzas, what do want proof ? Did you even read the full topic ?

What do you mean with:"That was useful in working on the CMs required in India." ?

I hope you know that Pakistani NLI did also capture a lot of Indian weapons( inlcuding US-made imported missiles and launchers) which did land in the hands of P.O.F and China.....

Let come this topic to the end without a we have win and you are the loosers, this war is over be ready for the future. Here read the post of this member see it as a good end.

The idea was even more audacious than you think. The idea was to take siachen by making resupply difficult through the road, after sufficient weakening attack siachen. This was in Musharraf's book review.
But having said that I would say it was a loss for Pakistan, reason being that India wanted status quo and got it, that too with relatively lesser casualties. If anything, the casualties on Pakistan side are shocking given the advantage of reinforced heights that they had. An infantry push without airforce and artillery barrage would have lead to much more casualties on our side.
It didnt lead to any major effect on our side but lead to a regime change in yours, also re-organizing of NLI etc.
It was a loss for India Pakistan peace process for sure. If kargil had not happened, the peace process might have changed the whole paradigm of relations.

regards

 

[Capt.Popeye]

IA did capture some Stingers yes but not Anzas ! And Kaisers comment:"to point out the limited envelope of these types of missiles" is related to the Stingers but not the Anzas, what do want proof ? Did you even read the full topic ?

What do you mean with:"That was useful in working on the CMs required in India." ?

I hope you know that Pakistani NLI did also capture a lot of Indian weapons( inlcuding US-made imported missiles and launchers) which did land in the hands of P.O.F and China.....

Let come this topic to the end without a we have win and you are the loosers, this war is over be ready for the future. Here read the post of this member see it as a good end.

regards

No dude; even Anzas are in India now.......take it or leave it. Also since you are unfamiliar with Mily. Hardware; let me tell you that all MANPADs are affected by what Kaiser Tufail has written about......unless they are MANPADs operated by Djinns on horses led by Zaid Hamid. Also your ignorance shows up when you say "I hope you know that Pakistani NLI did also capture a lot of Indian weapons( inlcuding US-made imported missiles and launchers)....."
Firstly India has no US made imported missiles and launchers in its inventory. Secondly the NLI and "Rag-tag shalwar kameez clad mujahidden" as Musharrafff wanted the PA soldiers to be identified as in Kargil; were in 'pell-mell' retreat if they were not getting pasted into oblivion by the IA's continuing Arty bombardment. They were in no position to carry anything back with them apart from the clothes on their backs. Read Marcus Acosta about this conflict (among others); you will get educated on what happened there. Not some "Alladin's Tales"! that your Government gives you.

About your "win" (LOL!) I will tell you in good time about what PA Officers think about that "win".

 

[Asian.Century]

How two Indian Airforce jets Shot down by Pakistani Anza's Launchers during Kargil War (1999), enough said, Watch video:

 

[Mav3rick]

I personally believe that MANPADS in this date and age are a threat only to HELOs and perhaps Civilian Jets.

 

[Krate M]

How two Indian Airforce jets Shot down by Pakistani Anza's Launchers during Kargil War (1999), enough said

I did watch the video. Please tell me where he said "anza"? Also please read the article by kaiser tufail and also read that the discussion has evolved into it being about mk I and not entire anza range.
Please read the article by kaiser tufail it is very educating.

 

[gslv mk3]

Indian Nag missile failed miserably

It didn't

 

[Inception-06]

No dude; even Anzas are in India now.......take it or leave it. Also since you are unfamiliar with Mily. Hardware; let me tell you that all MANPADs are affected by what Kaiser Tufail has written about......unless they are MANPADs operated by Djinns on horses led by Zaid Hamid. Also your ignorance shows up when you say "I hope you know that Pakistani NLI did also capture a lot of Indian weapons( inlcuding US-made imported missiles and launchers)....."
Firstly India has no US made imported missiles and launchers in its inventory. Secondly the NLI and "Rag-tag shalwar kameez clad mujahidden" as Musharrafff wanted the PA soldiers to be identified as in Kargil; were in 'pell-mell' retreat if they were not getting pasted into oblivion by the IA's continuing Arty bombardment. They were in no position to carry anything back with them apart from the clothes on their backs. Read Marcus Acosta about this conflict (among others); you will get educated on what happened there. Not some "Alladin's Tales"! that your Government gives you.

About your "win" (LOL!) I will tell you in good time about what PA Officers think about that "win".

blinded and arrogant idiot ! Can't stay and read on facts !

 

[gslv mk3]

blinded and arrogant idiot ! Can't stay and read on facts !

What ? That is true.

 

[Inception-06]

What ? That is true.

I mean I did try to discuss here in PDF with other Indian members for example this indian guy" Karate M"on a peacefull way, in which I was successfully, try to be human and friendly by accepting other opinions, but this guy did destroy everything with his last post by getting personally and attacking the other country. Thats all.........

 

[Krate M]

@Oscar this thread ain't gonna get any better. Please lock it. Thanks

 

[Thorough Pro]

They are stolen from government armoury/stock or smuggled by some other governments who bought from us but transferred without our permission or knowledge. All the weapons that all the insurgents are using around the world come from western countries, no insurgents make them at home.

yes

fly higher beyond their range

@Oscar

these ANZA finds in the middle east can SO much screw us. its just a matter of time one one these Haji's uses them to down a commercial airliner and leaves the launcher with markings and name for a convenient find and a top breaking story for CNN, BBC, Fox, Al Jazera English etc.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Atleast 100 stingers were fired by PA troops from the mountain peaks
during the entire conflict

And initially two hits ( One Mig 21 and One MI 17 helicopter ) did take place

IAF then started using flares and chaffs to avoid these missiles