Did Ancient Pakistanis Defeated The Mighty Alexander The Great.,

[jayron]

tha ancient history of the people of the region and the region is al included into the history of pakistan, we are not taking away the taj mehal, so indian should not take away our taxill and moen jo daro..

Indians are comfortable with the multicultural identity. We have accepted and cherished the islamic influence in our culture. It is you Pakistanis who claim to be the descendants of Persians, Arabs and Turks and celebrate their culture and despise the original civilization of the land. The Pakistanis have fallen prey to the cheap politics of distancing you people from Indians as much as possible so that you think we are your eternal enemy.

Just an example. We know your reaction when the Babri masjid was demolished in India. Did any one raise a voice when the ancient Gandharan Buddha was destroyed by Taliban hooligans in SAWAT or the state of the Hindu temples? That shows how much you respect your culture.

 

[Rafi]

The culture of the Indus Valley and even its religion has been separate, the people of this area were Buddhist when the ganges range was Hindu.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

history didn't begin in 1947; but our unity, pride and honour did......The nameless contributors and people of an ancient civilization got a name.

Didn't Muhammad bin Qasim conquest consist of land encompassing modern Pakistan?

 

[Rafi]

We are the inheritors of all the people and cultures of this geo-graphical area, indians have not and do not have any claim to its riches.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

The culture of the Indus Valley and even its religion has been separate, the people of this area were Buddhist when the ganges range was Hindu.

Buddhism did not exist at that time.

In fact ,even conventional Hinduism did not exist back then,rather a crude/raw form of Hinduism existed back then.

 

[Rafi]

Didn't Muhammad bin Qasim conquest consist of land encompassing modern Pakistan?

MBQ is our pride, he came and liberated the people of Geographic Pakistan from darkness to light, pride in our ancestors and pride in our current civilization is not a zero sum game. Just as a religious Egyptian can be proud of his civilization, or a Persian can be a Muslim and also be proud of Cyrus the Great, or a modern day Christian Greek be proud of the ancient Hellenic civilization of Homer etc.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Indians are comfortable with the multicultural identity. We have accepted and cherished the islamic influence in our culture. It is you Pakistanis who claim to be the descendants of Persians, Arabs and Turks and celebrate their culture and despise the original civilization of the land. The Pakistanis have fallen prey to the cheap politics of distancing you people from Indians as much as possible so that you think we are your eternal enemy.

Just an example. We know your reaction when the Babri masjid was demolished in India. Did any one raise a voice when the ancient Gandharan Buddha was destroyed by Taliban hooligans in SAWAT? That shows how much you respect your culture.

Whats more interesting is that Pakistani engineers came to destroy them as Taliban were unable to do so.

The problem is Pakistanis want it both ways,They wish see themselves as both descendants of the Invaders(or rather the invaders themselves) as well as people of subcontinent.

This concern for IVC is more motivated by greed for historical triumphs rather than genuine interest in one history.

 

[SpArK]

MBQ is our pride, he came and liberated the people of Geographic Pakistan from darkness to light, pride in our ancestors and pride in our current civilization is not a zero sum game. Just as a religious Egyptian can be proud of his civilization, or a Persian can be a Muslim and also be proud of Cyrus the Great, or a modern day Christian Greek be proud of the ancient Hellenic civilization of Homer etc.

So the civilisation and the decendents were indeed darkness and is bad..

Decide on something atleast.

 

[Rafi]

Gandharan's were Buddhist, that is why you find many statues of the Buddha throughout northern Pakistan.

Greco-Buddhism (or Græco-Buddhism) was the syncretism between the culture of Classical Greece and Buddhism in the then Gandhara region of modern Afghanistan and Pakistan

 

[Evil Flare]

You know what, going by this logic. Since the Indus is in Pakistan, all Pakistani's are Hindus

then whats the name of your religion ?

 

[r3alist]

Pakistan as a concept, took birth in the 1940s and came to fruition in 1947.

one key point - the people were not born in 1947 - the people have always been seperate - names dont mean much


your argument is that since pakistan become islamic it must give up its history with india as a swap.

truth is we have to a very large extent always been distinct people's - dravidans and tamils do not have any connection with pakistan - its plain to see if you open your eyes, we have a rich islamic and pre-islamic history which was distinct from the kingdoms and castes you call indian history.

 

[Rafi]

So the civilisation and the decendents were indeed darkness and is bad..

Decide on something atleast.

That is a gross simplification, just as modern Scandinavians are proud of their Viking past, they are also proud of how they were enlightened by the advent of Christianity.

We are proud of what we achieved and also of MBQ - they are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Von Hölle]

Pakistan can either claim its Islamic heritage or pre islamic history..it can not "Have its cake and eat it too"

 

[r3alist]

The problem is Pakistanis want it both ways,They wish see themselves as both descendants of the Invaders(or rather the invaders themselves) as well as people of subcontinent.

so let me get this straight


tamils and dravidans made the indus valley civilisation?

dravidans and tamils fought the ancient battles with alexander.

the people my friend, the people - they have always been different - they define a civilisation!

 

[r3alist]

Pakistan can either claim its Islamic heritage or preislamic history..it can not eats its cake and have it too.

its painful for you to accept i know but the people that inhabit the geographical space of pakistan did not pop out from nowhere - they had a history before islam AND after it

south indians cant really claim the IVC can they?