Diaoyu Islands News and Updates

[WuMaoCleverbot]

A Qing dynasty volume with a yellowed title page in bold, black characters from the 1760s about Ryukyuan students sits on display in a glass case at the Imperial College in Beijing on Wednesday. Chinese scholars say that the 18th century book is evidence that the Diaoyu Islands are part of China's territory. Photo: AFP

The Senkaku Islands Constitute
an Intrinsic Part of Japan
By Hiromichi Moteki,
Director of the Society for the Dissemination of Historical Fact

Excerpt:

The Xi tai hou Rescript (granting islands to Sheng Xuanhuai)

5)The Xi tai hou rescript is definitely a fake. The rescript stems from a story
about Sheng Xuanhuai (Chinese: 盛宣懷; a businessman and politician during the
Qing Dynasty) who is said to have ventured to three islands--Uotsuri, Kobisho
and Sekibisho--to harvest Chinese wormwood, manufacturing the herb into tablets
and presenting the tablets to Cixi tai hou (Chinese: 慈禧太后, aka: Xi tai hou). In
appreciation of the herb‟s efficacy, the empress ordered the issuance of a rescript
to bestow the three islands on Sheng Xuanhuai in 1893.
The reasons why the rescript is a fake are as follows.
Sekibisho Island is a barren rock where virtually nothing grows. As for Kuba
and Uotsuri islands, Koga was there undertaking his development projects around
that time. And, not only are there no records of activities of a wormwood harvest
by Chinese, there are no records of any herbs being produced in the islands.
If the Qing Dynasty considered these islands to be its territories, why did it not
object to the continuous activities by the Japanese starting in the early Meiji era
and continuing for 28 years to 1895, which included explorations and surveys,
along with depicting the islands as Japanese territory on maps? There was also
the matter of Japanese occupation dating from 1895. How is it possible the
dynasty never objected?
There are irregularities in the format of the rescript. It is dated with month of
October only, lacking a day of the month. And, the privy seal embossed on the
rescript is the wrong one.
Furthermore, it has been confirmed that Sheng Xuanhuai was not the minister
of ceremonies (Chinese: 太常寺&#27491 in 1893 contrary to that specified in the
rescript. This means mistakes were made in making the fake. This alone leads to
a conclusion that the rescript was fabricated.
The bestowment of the islands was not recorded in any documents, including
the Qing Shilu (Chinese: 清実&#37682, Donghualu (Chinese: 東華&#37682, and Donghua
xulu (Chinese: 東華統&#37682. And yet, it would be unheard of for the bestowing of
lands to go unrecorded.

http://www.sdh-fact.com/CL02_1/79_S4.pdf

 

[WuMaoCleverbot]

Beijing cuts access to documents 'that support Japan's claim to Diaoyus'
Julian Ryall in Tokyo
Saturday, 02 February, 2013, 12:00am

Japan's Jiji Press news agency says the Chinese Foreign Ministry has been "strictly limiting" access to its archives since the start of this year because they might contain documents that support Tokyo's claim to the Senkaku - or Diaoyu - Islands.

In a story from Beijing, the agency reported that unidentified Chinese researchers said they suspected the limits on access had been imposed as a result of a document that a Jiji Press journalist had found in the archives in December.

Jiji said the 10-page document was a draft outline on territorial disputes to be used as the basis of a peace treaty with Japan that was produced by the Chinese government in May 1950.

Throughout the document, the Chinese reportedly refer to the disputed islands as the Senkakus and describe them as part of the Ryukyu chain, in modern-day Okinawa prefecture.

The document has been widely cited in Japan as evidence that China made no claim of sovereignty until reserves of oil and natural gas were located in nearby waters in the early 1970s.

In response to a query about why access was being restricted, Hong Lei , a spokesman for the Foreign Ministry in Beijing, told Jiji the archive was "in the process of updating its computer system for technical reasons".

Beijing cuts access to documents 'that support Japan's claim to Diaoyus' | South China Morning Post

 

[Viet]

Abe: China stirs up rows to build support at home


The Washington Post
Feb 21, 2013

Gear up: Prime Minister Shinzo Abe waves at Tokyo's Haneda airport Thursday as he departs for Washington. | AP


China has a “deeply ingrained” need to spar with Japan and other Asian neighbors over territory, because the ruling Communist Party uses the disputes to maintain strong domestic support, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said in an interview.

Clashes with neighbors, notably Japan, play to popular opinion, Abe said, given a Chinese education system that emphasizes patriotism and “anti-Japanese sentiment.”

Abe’s theory on the entrenched motivation behind China’s recent naval aggression helps explain why he has spent more effort trying to counter the Chinese than make peace with them: He thinks the fierce dispute with China over the Japan-held Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea isn’t going away anytime soon.

Abe spoke about China in what aides described as unusually detailed terms, laying out challenges that Chinese leaders might face if other parts of Asia, unnerved by Beijing’s maritime expansionism, decide to reduce trade and other economic ties. China’s government would be hurt by such moves, Abe said, because without economic growth, it “will not be able to control the 1.3 billion people . . . under the one-party rule.”

Abe also laid out his plans for deterrence, which include boosting military spending and strengthening ties with Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia and other nations that share concerns about Beijing. Abe, who is to meet Friday with President Barack Obama in Washington, said the U.S. presence in Asia is “critical” to deter China from taking territory controlled by other countries.

His comments came in an interview Saturday with The Washington Post, which The Post was granted on condition that the article not be published until Abe was departing for Washington.

In recent years, China has played an increasingly boisterous role in the South China Sea, claiming a massive sphere of territory that includes some of the world’s most trafficked shipping lanes and overlaps with claims of a half-dozen other countries. For Japan, the dispute with China focuses on the remote Senkakus in the East China Sea, islets China calls the Diaoyu. Tensions heated up in September after the central government purchased three of the islets after previously renting them, thereby nationalizing the whole chain.

“What is important first and foremost,” Abe said, “is to make (China) realize that they would not be able to change the rules or take away somebody’s territorial water or territory by coercion or intimidation.”

Abe’s assessment of China sounds like a version of the one that experts in Beijing give of Japan, which they say has shifted to the right on foreign policy and security issues in a bid to recover clout and pride lost during two decades of economic stagnation. Abe’s criticism of Chinese education is also notable because, during his first stint as prime minister six years ago, he revised a law to encourage a more patriotic curriculum in Japan’s classrooms.

Abe became prime minister for a second time in December, after making a string of far-right campaign pledges to revise the pacifist Constitution and loosen certain restrictions on the armed forces. He also promised to be tougher on China than the previous government of the moderate Democratic Party of Japan.

But two months into his term, Abe looks more like a pragmatist than a strident nationalist, focusing mainly on a new, and so far successful, economic policy to weaken the yen and spur inflation. His latest popularity rating is 71 percent, according to the Yomiuri newspaper, a stunning mark in a nation that has cycled through six consecutive one-year leaders.

“I have succeeded already in changing the general mood and atmosphere that was prevalent in Japan,” Abe said.

The question is whether Abe will change course and begin pushing for his controversial rightwing hobbyhorses after the July Upper House election, which could help his Liberal Democratic Party build an overwhelming majority and leave Abe emboldened.

One concern is that Abe may try to water down earlier government apologies for atrocities committed by Japan during the war. Abe, in the interview, said he would someday like to make a “future-oriented” statement aimed at Japan’s neighbors, but he did not elaborate on what its message would be.

Beijing has responded to Japan’s nationalization of the Senkakus by sending surveillance ships and aircraft into Japanese territory, drawing Japan into a risky showdown in which the neighbors chase each other around the waters and airspace around the uninhabited rocky outcroppings. Any armed conflict could draw in the U.S., which is treaty-bound to protect Japan.

While historical animosities are at the root of Japan’s territorial dispute with China, the maritime conflict is relatively new. During the interview, Abe portrayed China’s actions as part of a 35-year shift that began when the Communist Party opened its once-controlled economy. China’s government has since had to abandon the hope of nationwide economic equality — “one of its pillars of legitimacy,” Abe said — forcing it to create “some different pillars,” including rapid economic growth and patriotism.

“What is unfortunate, however,” Abe added, “is that in the case of China, teaching patriotism (is equivalent to) teaching anti-Japanese sentiment. In other words, their education policy of teaching patriotism has become even more pronounced as they started the reform and opening policy.”

Abe said China’s tactics at sea are yielding “strong support” domestically. Those tactics, some analysts say, also could prove financially lucrative if China gains control of shipping lanes and access to rich fishing territory, and extracts hydrocarbon reserves.

But Abe warned China’s sparring with its neighbors could backfire, potentially undermining trade partnerships and causing skittishness among foreign investors.

“Such behavior is going to have an effect on their economic activity at the end of the day,” he said, “because it will lead to losing the confidence of the international community, which will result in less investments in China. I believe it is fully possible to have China (change its) policy once they gain that recognition.”

 

[Snomannen]

I think you used worng term so it'll be mistake: a half of Mongolian was living in Inner Mongolia, a part of PRC which you mean!?

1. Nowadays, more than half of Mongolian in the world are the people of the PRC;
2. These Mongolian, also called the Golden Family, are the direct posterity of Genghis Khan. Outer Mongolian are not;
3. Han and Mongolian are both belong to a group -the Chinese Ethnics Group. Han and Mongolian and both Chinese.

You know what, the whole Mogol was still China's territory even during the WWII.

There is another thing. If Japanese really occupied whole China in WWII, then big congrats, since China would have one more minority just like Man after Qing Dynasty and Mongolian after Yuan Dynasty .

If Japan really occupied China, "China" would have no longer existed.

Think about it.

 

[jhungary]

Set aside all Claim and Maps......

International Law does not swing that way. Many people don't even know how internation law settle this kind of issue and just blown up and down and claim oh it was in our map so it must be ours.

There are no "Calling Dips" on international law. The Current UN Charter and Public Law Forum only regonise one thing and one thing only about soverign Claim. That's a governed settlement on a land mass.

International law does not care who have what printed on their maps first. As long as the land mass is ungoverned, it's of Terra Nullius clause. Whic hmean land belong to no one. You can chart something on the maps as a reference, if you do not govern it, it does not belong to you.

If you want to know more, i suggested that you guys check out a post i posted a few months ago.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/222879-anyone-even-know-how-land-dispute-resolved.html

The Inconvenient Truth is, nobody know jack **** about how Sovereignty is claimed.

 

[Vitchilo]

China has a “deeply ingrained” need to spar with Japan and other Asian neighbors over territory, because the ruling Communist Party uses the disputes to maintain strong domestic support, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said in an interview.

Abe is totally right on that.

But Abe is guilty of the same thing... he does this so people focus on that instead of the disastrous Japanese economy and the insane printing he's doing.

 

[shuttler]

China has a “deeply ingrained” need to spar with Japan and other Asian neighbors over territory, because the ruling Communist Party uses the disputes to maintain strong domestic support, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said in an interview.

He is spot on speaking about his own political gameplay, stirring up the sentiments of japanese right wings and the the general civilians by cultivating a "China Threat" atmosphere.

Hey, the same applies to vietnam, usa, philippines, india ... and the birth of so many ”department of concern“ thereby these people are using it as conduits for military budget expansion, foreign aid, and diverting attentions from their internal woes！

 

[shuttler]

S. Korea slams Japan for event claiming Dokdo islets

EOUL, Feb. 22 (Yonhap) -- The South Korean government criticized Japan on Friday for holding an event to promote its territorial claims to South Korea's easternmost islets of Dokdo, and urged it to drop the "unjustifiable and meaningless" arguments.

Conflicts have grown over Dokdo after Tokyo has renewed its territorial claims to the rocky outcroppings in the East Sea, or the body of water between the Korean Peninsula and Japan.

Souring the relations even further, Japan's Shimane Prefecture, which claims administrative sovereignty over the islets, designated Feb. 22 as a day to promote Takeshima, the Japanese name for Dokdo, in 2006, and has since hosted various programs to strengthen its claims on the day, with no exception this year.

A group of students visited South Korea's easternmost islets of Dokdo and read a resolution on Feb. 21, 2013, calling on Japan to cancel the event held by Japan which aims to promote its territorial claims. (Yonhap file photo)

"The South Korean government once again sternly urged Japan to abolish ordinances about the designation of the Dokdo day and to immediately stop unjustifiable territorial claims to Dokdo," foreign ministry spokesman Cho Tai-young said in a statement.
The Seoul government in particular criticized Japan for its dispatch of Aiko Shimajiri, a parliamentary secretary with the Cabinet Office, to the event. Her attendance marks the first time that the central government had its senior official attend the ceremony.

"We expressed deep regrets over and strongly protested Tokyo's sending of a government official to such an unjustifiable event," Cho said, calling on it to show "a genuine willingness for the bilateral development by stopping its unjustifiable and meaningless territorial rights."

Declaring once again that the islets are "an integral part of Korean territory historically, geographically and under international law," the South Korean government vowed "stern responses to any attempt to violate its territorial rights."

South Korea keeps a small police detachment on the islets, effectively controlling them.

In protest against the event, Seoul's foreign ministry summoned Takashi Kurai, Japan's deputy chief in Seoul, and sent a diplomatic document to express regret and convey South Korea's resolute stance on the issue, according to the ministry officials.

Takashi Kurai, Japan's deputy chief of mission in Seoul, enters the South Korean foreign ministry building in Seoul on Feb. 22, 2013, after being summoned by the Seoul government in protest against Japan's event to promote its territorial claim to South Korea's easternmost islets of Dokdo. (Yonhap)

The provocative act drew protests from high-profile figures in South Korea as well as from the public nationwide.

Kim Kwan-yong, governor of North Gyeongsang Province which administers the district of the Dokdo islets, issued a statement earlier in the day denouncing the Japanese central government for sending an official to the event.

"The decision to send a vice-ministerial figure to the ceremony constitutes a grave criminal act," Kim said. "The provocation riddled with such an inflammatory politics and regressive historical concept deserves criticism."
In front of the Japanese embassy in downtown Seoul, some 100 people held a press conference demanding that Tokyo abolish its day laying claims to South Korea's islets and to stop holding such events.

In a letter delivered to the Japanese embassy, the group said they have been trying "to regard Japan as a neighbor and to share their sorrow inflicted by the earthquake and tsunami," and asked Japan to be "a true neighbor instead of seeking an aggressive attitude."

During the press conference, a 58-year-old local taxi driver tried to slash himself with a knife in protest against the Japanese event, but he only received minor injuries before police convinced him to stop.

Seo Kyoung-duk, a professor at Sungshin Women's University and an activist promoting Seoul's territorial rights, said he sent packages of data, including leaflets and relevant documents, verifying Seoul's ownership of Dokdo to about 120 Japanese newspapers and broadcasting firms last week.

Popular South Korean singer Kim Jang-hoon, also well known for his activities supporting South Korea's ownership of Dokdo, unveiled his plan to launch an online campaign to encourage local social network service users to spread photos of the islets.

 

[shuttler]

Russia braces for Japan ‘propaganda’ as territorial disputes flare

February 05, 2013

A general view shows the coastline on Kunashir, part of a disputed chain of islands known as the Southern Kuriles in Russia and the Northern Territories in Japan (Reuters / Yuri Maltsev)

Tokyo is preparing to promote Japan’s position regarding its territorial dispute with Russia, as well as with other Pacific nations, by opening a new government agency.

In an effort to win over global opinion over the disputed South Kuril Islands, Tokyo’s new government agency, called the Territorial Sovereignty Office of Planning and Coordination, will “address issues involving territories and sovereignty,” Yoshihide Suga, Japanese chief cabinet secretary, told a news conference in Tokyo on Tuesday.

The South Kurils – comprised of Kunashir, Shikotan, Iturup and the Habomai Rocks – fell under control of the Soviet Union at the end of World War II and are now considered part of the Russian Federation. Tokyo, meanwhile, argues that the Northern Territories, as it calls the island chain, are Japanese property and should be returned.

The dispute, which continues to hamper Russian-Japanese relations, prevented a formal peace treaty from being signed between Moscow and Tokyo following the end of World War II.

According to Suga, the new office will be assigned the task of studying and analyzing the positions of other countries regarding the issue of territorial problems.

Japan has territorial problems with nearly all of its closest neighbors – Russia, China, and South Korea.

In addition to laying claim to the South Kuril Islands, Japan also declares ownership of the uninhabited Dokdo Islands (called ‘Takeshima’ by Japan), which are now administered by South Korea.

The territorial dispute between Tokyo and Seoul escalated in August 2012, when South Korea's then-President Lee Myung-bak paid a visit to Dokdo, triggering a harsh response from Japan.

Moscow has reiterated on many occasions that the South Kurils are an integral part of Russian territory, however, in 2011, then-President Medvedev invited Japan to work with Russia in the South Kurils.

"We are prepared for the joint use of the islands, to offer opportunities for investment, to protect Japanese investment and create conditions for doing business,” Medvedev said.

Tokyo, for its part, argued that the two countries should first solve their sovereignty dispute over the islands before there can be any talk of joint initiatives.

Meanwhile, Tokyo is involved in yet another territorial dispute with China over a group of uninhabited islands in the East Asian Sea – known as the Diaoyu in China and the Senkaku in Japan – that both nations claim.

Robert Bridge, RT

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Chinese Buoys Are Focus of Latest Dispute Over Contested Islands
By MARTIN FACKLER
February 22, 2013

TOKYO — Japan has asked the Chinese government to explain why Chinese ships have strategically placed several buoys in the East China Sea near a group of disputed islands, a Japanese government spokesman said on Friday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/23/world/asia/chinese-buoys-focus-of-latest-dispute-with-japan-over-islands.html?ref=asia&_r=0

 

[Soryu]

There are several basic points needs notice:
1. Where did it happen?
Even the Japanese admit that it happened in open sea.

2. What was PLA NAVY and the Japanese doing out there?
The fleet of PLA NAVY was in a normal drills, while what Japanese did is offensively interference and spying , even got as close as 3 nautical mile. Not to mention their flying over helicopters. That is absolutely dangerous behavior and the Japanese have been keeping doing this for decades! If PLA NAVY want to shoot them, they dont need to use a radar at all.

3. Why do Japanese hype this event?
Russians used to shoot their ships and killed several fishers of them, they were quite silent. At this time, Chinese have not shoot a single bullet and do not even catch a Japanese,while the Japs are barking like dogs. Why? This watch dog wants to make use of its host！What a shameless, funny dog! They are bargaining with Washington to give it more support and the goal is to realize its normalization and modify its Peace Constitution.

Insult words not help anything but show your personal like a idiot.
Argument without proof is nothing but theory, and not help for real
And you very funny like a clown! What did they used to point their gun and missile on others naval ship if it's not radar (sensor)!?

 

[Soryu]

I want to ask you @Hu Songshan, If you even consider rest my post from #590 like Flame/Fighting, and you deleted them, Why did you still let this post on there!?
I just said about common sense when disscuses, right or wrong on Diaoyu/Senkaku Is., I did not saying anything related with SCS, yet some Chinese just want become master on here, bring SCS on here and push on my mouth!
If There is a rule don't allow another member step in Chinese member topic in this box, so Could anyone with their foul language mouth show me that!?

Diaoyu Island is not part of Vietnam or Philippines, so why are these dogs sticking their nose over and over again into this dispute between China and Japan? They want a piece of the pie of the islands? Even their government isn't meddling with it, they should be worrying about SCS instead acting like a Japanese pet doing all the supporting work.

 

[Sasquatch]

I want to ask you @Hu Songshan, If you even consider rest my post from #590 like Flame/Fighting, and you deleted them, Why did you still let this post on there!?
I just said about common sense when disscuses, right or wrong on Diaoyu/Senkaku Is., I did not saying anything related with SCS, yet some Chinese just want become master on here, bring SCS on here and push on my mouth!
If There is a rule don't allow another member step in Chinese member topic in this box, so Could anyone with their foul language mouth show me that!?

Hi @Soryu, I want to keep this thread on the Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands thread not the SCS issue hence I have deleted most of the comments that were flame/fighting, there is plenty of off topic material that contributes to fighting, your post happened to be apart of it and it would only contribute more negative comments. As for the post you showed on with the insult unfortunately it did not delete while I was removing most of them thank you for bringing it to my attention . Now if someone makes a offense post or troll post do not reply to it otherwise you are simply feeding them let me handle it. Threads are open to everyone just keep it civil and stick to the topic.

 

[grandmaster]

S. Korea slams Japan for event claiming Dokdo islets

EOUL, Feb. 22 (Yonhap) -- The South Korean government criticized Japan on Friday for holding an event to promote its territorial claims to South Korea's easternmost islets of Dokdo, and urged it to drop the "unjustifiable and meaningless" arguments.

Conflicts have grown over Dokdo after Tokyo has renewed its territorial claims to the rocky outcroppings in the East Sea, or the body of water between the Korean Peninsula and Japan.

Souring the relations even further, Japan's Shimane Prefecture, which claims administrative sovereignty over the islets, designated Feb. 22 as a day to promote Takeshima, the Japanese name for Dokdo, in 2006, and has since hosted various programs to strengthen its claims on the day, with no exception this year.

A group of students visited South Korea's easternmost islets of Dokdo and read a resolution on Feb. 21, 2013, calling on Japan to cancel the event held by Japan which aims to promote its territorial claims. (Yonhap file photo)

"The South Korean government once again sternly urged Japan to abolish ordinances about the designation of the Dokdo day and to immediately stop unjustifiable territorial claims to Dokdo," foreign ministry spokesman Cho Tai-young said in a statement.
The Seoul government in particular criticized Japan for its dispatch of Aiko Shimajiri, a parliamentary secretary with the Cabinet Office, to the event. Her attendance marks the first time that the central government had its senior official attend the ceremony.

"We expressed deep regrets over and strongly protested Tokyo's sending of a government official to such an unjustifiable event," Cho said, calling on it to show "a genuine willingness for the bilateral development by stopping its unjustifiable and meaningless territorial rights."

Declaring once again that the islets are "an integral part of Korean territory historically, geographically and under international law," the South Korean government vowed "stern responses to any attempt to violate its territorial rights."

South Korea keeps a small police detachment on the islets, effectively controlling them.

In protest against the event, Seoul's foreign ministry summoned Takashi Kurai, Japan's deputy chief in Seoul, and sent a diplomatic document to express regret and convey South Korea's resolute stance on the issue, according to the ministry officials.

Takashi Kurai, Japan's deputy chief of mission in Seoul, enters the South Korean foreign ministry building in Seoul on Feb. 22, 2013, after being summoned by the Seoul government in protest against Japan's event to promote its territorial claim to South Korea's easternmost islets of Dokdo. (Yonhap)

The provocative act drew protests from high-profile figures in South Korea as well as from the public nationwide.

Kim Kwan-yong, governor of North Gyeongsang Province which administers the district of the Dokdo islets, issued a statement earlier in the day denouncing the Japanese central government for sending an official to the event.

"The decision to send a vice-ministerial figure to the ceremony constitutes a grave criminal act," Kim said. "The provocation riddled with such an inflammatory politics and regressive historical concept deserves criticism."
In front of the Japanese embassy in downtown Seoul, some 100 people held a press conference demanding that Tokyo abolish its day laying claims to South Korea's islets and to stop holding such events.

In a letter delivered to the Japanese embassy, the group said they have been trying "to regard Japan as a neighbor and to share their sorrow inflicted by the earthquake and tsunami," and asked Japan to be "a true neighbor instead of seeking an aggressive attitude."

During the press conference, a 58-year-old local taxi driver tried to slash himself with a knife in protest against the Japanese event, but he only received minor injuries before police convinced him to stop.

Seo Kyoung-duk, a professor at Sungshin Women's University and an activist promoting Seoul's territorial rights, said he sent packages of data, including leaflets and relevant documents, verifying Seoul's ownership of Dokdo to about 120 Japanese newspapers and broadcasting firms last week.

Popular South Korean singer Kim Jang-hoon, also well known for his activities supporting South Korea's ownership of Dokdo, unveiled his plan to launch an online campaign to encourage local social network service users to spread photos of the islets.

news like this would scare off vietnamese guys here. their master, japanese, doesnt not like this, so they dont

 

[grandmaster]

Insult words not help anything but show your personal like a idiot.
Argument without proof is nothing but theory, and not help for real
And you very funny like a clown! What did they used to point their gun and missile on others naval ship if it's not radar (sensor)!?

there is no insulting word at all. but there is precise word to describe the nature of something! no better word suits them, you know