Dhruv helicopter crashes in Bandipora, J&K. Both pilots killed. Was on a routine logistics fl

[C130]

what about the Rudra??? is it suffering the same problems??

 

[Areesh]

A Lt Col and a Major said to be killed in the incident.

 

[Otocal]

what about the Rudra??? is it suffering the same problems??

Rudra is Dhruv with rocket pods, a gun and Mistral AAM's so yes it is facing same problem. Rudra too will be grounded for a while until cleared to fly.

 

[SrNair]

Rest In Peace.
HAL should increase resilency of Dhruv

 

[shontumontu]

13 RR..technical enquiry should be done, manpads are available with the enemy.

 

[Steakhouse]

Better to buy high tech weapon from the US or Russia.

 

[DeathInvader]

R.I.P Thank you for your service to the Nation. May the Lord give strength to your families.

This is heights now. Seriously. What were they thinking after Ecuador.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Why are so many planes and helicopters made (or maintained) by HAL crashing? .

Maybe because HAL is the only aircraft manufacturer in India producing hundreds upon hundreds of aircraft for the Indian forces to name but a few

ALH
Cheetah/l
Chetak/n
Do-228
Su-30MKI
Jaguar
MiG-21
MiG-27
Hawk AJT
Avro

So when a military aircraft goes down in India it is likely to have been made by HAL,does correlation equal causation?

What the fuk ..... Better ground it for at least a year . Pilot life is more important than Ego ...

If there is felt to be cause to ground them that will be done but grounding for the sake of grounding will do no good.

Another question mark over Dhruv.

Not really.

Take a chill pill, no malign was intended......even the news report has raised the question.


NEW DELHI: In yet another helicopter crash in the armed forces, two officers were killed when their advanced light helicopter Dhruv crashed in the Ganderbal area of Jammu and Kashmir on Wednesday night.

The Army said the Indigenous Dhruv helicopter, which had taken from Srinagar, was on a night training sortie when the accident took at Safapura at about 7.43 pm. "The two pilots, a Lt-Col and a major, were killed in the crash. Their bodies were found when the search and rescue party reached the crash site at 9 pm," said an officer.

A court of inquiry ordered into the mishap will ascertain the exact reason for the crash. But the twin-engine Dhruvs, manufactured by defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics, have had a worrisome flight safety record.

As reported by TOI last month, it has also adversely impacted the plan to export the Dhruvs in large numbers. Ecuador, for instance, recently ordered "restricted operations" of the seven Dhruv choppers acquired from India after four mishaps.

In India, in July last year, two officers and five other IAF personnel were killed when their 5.5-tonne Dhruv helicopter crashed in a field near Sitapur, about 70 km from Lucknow.

An Army Dhruv had crashed on the glacial heights of Siachen-Saltoro Ridge in May 2013, while another ALH had gone down in Sikkim in April 2011, killing the two pilots and two soldiers on board. In October 2011, a BSF Dhruv had gone down near Ranchi, killing three persons.

The armed forces have inducted over 140 Dhruvs manufactured by HAL since 2002. But the entire fleet has been grounded a few times due to technical snags in the past, which included being found unsuitable for multi-role requirements due to excess weight and limited engine power.

This is just ToI being ToI (i.e. sensationalist idiots)

The ALH remains an incredibly safe aircraft with an exceptional safety record inside India and around the world (Ecuador being a notable exception to this).

RIP. Hope govt. takes action against the person who placed ALH order.

Why exactly? The ALH is in service in the hundreds in India and is performing well. Let's not jump to knee-jerk reactions. In aviation most crashes these days are due to pilot error but one mustn't jump to conclusions, rest a assured a full and proper investigation will be carried out by the IA.

what about the Rudra??? is it suffering the same problems??

Rudra is Dhruv with rocket pods, a gun and Mistral AAM's so yes it is facing same problem. Rudra too will be grounded for a while until cleared to fly.

We don't even know what the problem is if there even is one. Before we go and malign this highly successful project can we wait until the proper investigations have taken place?

The ALH is in service in the hundreds of units and the fleet as a whole has logged millions of flight hours not to mention being in service with the Sarang helicopter display team, inherent faults with the design would have shown themselves by now. You don't do what the Sarang team does with their birds in unsafe machines.

This is heights now. Seriously. What were they thinking after Ecuador.

What are you talking about? The issue with Ecuador (if there even is one beyond the EAF's training or lack thereof) doesn't necessarily translate to the ALH fleet as a whole.

 

[oFFbEAT]

....should be grounded until cause of the accident is found and dealt with....

 

[Donatello]

Poor record, they better ground the fleet before it takes more lives.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Poor record, they better ground the fleet before it takes more lives.

Unless you can provide empirical evidence to support your claims of a "poor record" I would recommend not slandering an entirely successful project.

 

[graphican]

RIP for the departed.

So the successful Dhruv project is not turning out successful.

 

[Abingdonboy]

So the successful Dhruv project is not turning out successful.

Please explain how.....

 

[graphican]

Please explain how.....

That was like probably 6th crash and second in the last couple of months. Ecuador also lost their Dhruve helicopter one last year and one this year. Infect they were considering to return their remaining helicopters back. HAL Dhruv - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Actually to back its "success", you would need to come up with your arguments instead of asking about failure as helicopter is falling out of sky more often than a successful product should.

 

[Abingdonboy]

That was like probably 6th crash and second in the last couple of months. Ecuador also lost their Dhruve helicopter one last year and one this year. Reliability of this product is seriously doubted.

6/7th crash after being in service in the of hundreds (and counting- they are still being churned out as we speak) for over 13 years now with over 10 million flight hours logged by the fleet it is hardly cause to call the ALH a "failure". The crashes Ecuador have faced have thus far been attributed to pilot error, the causes of the most recent crashes have not been established but given the EAF's poor safety record with all types of helicopter pilot error shouldn't be ruled out. Even still the ALH has proven itself a safe machine.

The onus is on you to prove they are unsafe/unreliable, to label them anything of the sort without waiting on a detailed investigation to be completed on these most recent crashes is incredibly dishonest.

Actually to back its "success", you would need to come up with your arguments instead of asking about failure as helicopter is falling out of sky more often than a successful product should.

Apart from being operational in all three Indian Armed Forces (along with the Indian Air Force's Sarang helicopter display team), the Indian Coast Guard, BSF, ONGC, Indian Geological Survey and other Indian operators, in Nepal, Maldives, Mauritius, Suriname, Peru and operating in some of the most extreme conditions a helicopter can operate in (extreme high altitude) I guess it's not really a success.....

I'm just going to leave these here