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And if Pakistan manages to retaliate and damage some of India's cities in the process, we will rebuild, but Pakistan will no longer exist."

Tac nukes are basically the end game. We are going to see it as a nuclear attack. The reason is once you go nuclear, the hawks are going to make the decision, not the doves. The minute war starts, it will be hawks all the way.

As I said sometime ago, any major Indo-Pak war will be the last Indo-Pak war. This is already the thinking within South Block.

Current inventories of warheads on both sides is 100-150 each. When the numbers reach 250...350...450; does the strategic calculus in south block change when Pakistan has enough warheads to cover the top 100 most populated Indian cities with multiple warheads each? (Serious question) with that many warheads incoming even the latest ABM systems can't ensure to get even most of the warheads; a lot will get through.

Also a demonstration test of a strategic warhead (doesn't have to be tactical) away from the battlefield (as in the french doctrine; "warning shot"; yield 300 kilotons) would get the world's attention to put pressure on India.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-Sol_Moyenne_Portée
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNA_(Airborne_nuclear_warhead)
 
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That's exactly my point. It cannot defend a whole nation. Nuclear missiles have already developed countermeasures via MIRV and will continue to do so for any future upgrades of BMD systems. As you also rightly said, BMD systems can be taken out and are very expensive.

It depends on what you are willing to risk. We take out Lahore, Islamabad and Karachi while you take out Tier 3 cities and lower, that's not a fair trade for Pak.

In the India-Pak context, it's a different ballgame. The distances to cover for a conventional strike are too much and targets too many for PAF to simply "take out" India's BMD. You will need an entire new air force the size of PAF with highly advanced jets at the F-35 level to even begin to contemplate taking out India's BMD. There's that much of a difference even without the S-400s.

MIRV isn't a threat anymore. AESA can track 1000+ targets and engage 16+ at once at the very minimum. And a major city could have as many as 2 systems deployed, which means 4 radars, which equals 64 targets at the minimum at a time. Which means you will have to use at least 64 warheads to saturate the defences of one city. And this is not counting at least 2 or even 3 chances the BMD system will get. So we are talking about a minimum of 128 warheads. 3 warheads per missile will give you 43 missiles. Do you even have that many strategic missiles? Do note this is for one city.

Of course, we can do a Russia and stick 5 regiments on each city, particularly Delhi and Mumbai. Then you will need 320 warheads at the minimum, or 107 missiles just to saturate the defences of one city.

And this is not even counting other SAM systems that are BMD capable, like the S-400 or the new XRSAM. Even the Barak-8 provides some BMD protection, particularly in the Delhi-Mumbai context. Of course, there's also new BMD technologies like lasers and mid course interceptors that can stop missiles before the separation stage.

The only effective way to beat BMD today is to make stuff that the BMD cannot stop in the first place. And that's really difficult in the India-Pak context because the distances are so small that the speed of such a system will not be effective enough, and if something that disregards distance is made, like a hypersonic cruise missile, Pak is not sophisticated to build such a system before India can counter it. Overall, it's a losing game.

I doubt that, I'm fairly certain China could do that to Taiwan if they pleased (but Taiwan could give a nasty bite).

Nope. It just means if you are only a conventional power, your bark is worse than your bite. Conventional missiles don't do too much harm and it cannot be used as a threat against a nuclear power anyway.

You are grossly underestimating the power of over a hundred nukes. They DO cause some nasty after effects.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...die-if-india-pakistan-start-nuclear-war-21623

That's a stupid article.

A lot of such doomsday articles are written by anti-nuclear groups that exaggerate the effects of fallout in order to build a public opinion against it. Even military experts with no nuke background are fooled by this.

Both our countries can launch all our nukes right now and life will go on as usual even in the unaffected parts of the target itself, let alone the rest of the countries or the world.

Even the MAD concept between the US and Russia is so exaggerated that it's funny, especially with modern nukes which are very small and carry very small amounts of radioactive material.

There are even idiots who believe they can poison rivers like the Ganga with just a few nukes. So idiotic that they think some 200Kg of uranium or 50Kg of plutonium will irradiate even small streams let alone some of the largest rivers when many times more amount than that is naturally available in our water systems.

People are gullible and they would rather believe Hollywood over scientific experts.

I listed the spending in terms of USD, and even if you take away the huge amount of cash spent on perks for troops, you are still left with a budget of over 400 billion USD which is far larger than Russia's current spending.

A Su-35 costs $25M. An F-15E costs upwards of $100M. You do the math.

Hindustan's dominance at sea is exaggerated. We can still defend ourselves from a blockade for a reasonable amount of time with our submerged fleet which will face a fresh supply of 8 new submarines pretty soon. We have also bought 4 new Chinese Type 54A frigates, and have CM-400AKG missiles that can pose a nasty threat to your carriers. We are expanding our navy and will continue to do as our economy improves, same goes for the rest of our military.

PN's surface fleet won't last 30 minutes. Probably a dozen Brahmos at best and it will cease to exist.

Indian ships have defences that work against something like the CM-400AKG. This missile type was countered by the Americans back in the 70s. You can simply outmanoeuvre these missiles also.

DE submarines are useless without a surface fleet protecting it. You forget that your subs cannot hit top speed for more than 2 hours or so. They will just get hunted down by helicopters.

PN is a peacetime navy, not a warfighing navy. The PAF is almost there, and the PA will follow. In about 10 years, the equation between Pak armed forces and Indian armed forces will change so much that we will become more frightening to Pakistan than the US armed forces.
 
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It depends on what you are willing to risk. We take out Lahore, Islamabad and Karachi while you take out Tier 3 cities and lower, that's not a fair trade for Pak.

In the India-Pak context, it's a different ballgame. The distances to cover for a conventional strike are too much and targets too many for PAF to simply "take out" India's BMD. You will need an entire new air force the size of PAF with highly advanced jets at the F-35 level to even begin to contemplate taking out India's BMD. There's that much of a difference even without the S-400s.

MIRV isn't a threat anymore. AESA can track 1000+ targets and engage 16+ at once at the very minimum. And a major city could have as many as 2 systems deployed, which means 4 radars, which equals 64 targets at the minimum at a time. Which means you will have to use at least 64 warheads to saturate the defences of one city. And this is not counting at least 2 or even 3 chances the BMD system will get. So we are talking about a minimum of 128 warheads. 3 warheads per missile will give you 43 missiles. Do you even have that many strategic missiles? Do note this is for one city.

Of course, we can do a Russia and stick 5 regiments on each city, particularly Delhi and Mumbai. Then you will need 320 warheads at the minimum, or 107 missiles just to saturate the defences of one city.

And this is not even counting other SAM systems that are BMD capable, like the S-400 or the new XRSAM. Even the Barak-8 provides some BMD protection, particularly in the Delhi-Mumbai context. Of course, there's also new BMD technologies like lasers and mid course interceptors that can stop missiles before the separation stage.

The only effective way to beat BMD today is to make stuff that the BMD cannot stop in the first place. And that's really difficult in the India-Pak context because the distances are so small that the speed of such a system will not be effective enough, and if something that disregards distance is made, like a hypersonic cruise missile, Pak is not sophisticated to build such a system before India can counter it. Overall, it's a losing game.



Nope. It just means if you are only a conventional power, your bark is worse than your bite. Conventional missiles don't do too much harm and it cannot be used as a threat against a nuclear power anyway.



That's a stupid article.

A lot of such doomsday articles are written by anti-nuclear groups that exaggerate the effects of fallout in order to build a public opinion against it. Even military experts with no nuke background are fooled by this.

Both our countries can launch all our nukes right now and life will go on as usual even in the unaffected parts of the target itself, let alone the rest of the countries or the world.

Even the MAD concept between the US and Russia is so exaggerated that it's funny, especially with modern nukes which are very small and carry very small amounts of radioactive material.

There are even idiots who believe they can poison rivers like the Ganga with just a few nukes. So idiotic that they think some 200Kg of uranium or 50Kg of plutonium will irradiate even small streams let alone some of the largest rivers when many times more amount than that is naturally available in our water systems.

People are gullible and they would rather believe Hollywood over scientific experts.



A Su-35 costs $25M. An F-15E costs upwards of $100M. You do the math.



PN's surface fleet won't last 30 minutes. Probably a dozen Brahmos at best and it will cease to exist.

Indian ships have defences that work against something like the CM-400AKG. This missile type was countered by the Americans back in the 70s. You can simply outmanoeuvre these missiles also.

DE submarines are useless without a surface fleet protecting it. You forget that your subs cannot hit top speed for more than 2 hours or so. They will just get hunted down by helicopters.

PN is a peacetime navy, not a warfighing navy. The PAF is almost there, and the PA will follow. In about 10 years, the equation between Pak armed forces and Indian armed forces will change so much that we will become more frightening to Pakistan than the US armed forces.
wow..i hope you become chief of armed forces..therei slimit to bravodo ignoring simple facts

to put it in simple words, if PAF/PN is hopless to IN and IAF, whats the status of PN, IAF to PLAAF and PLAAN

PLAAF outnumbers and outguns IAF more than what IAF does PAF...this is true for everything, including the purchasing budget!
 
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It depends on what you are willing to risk. We take out Lahore, Islamabad and Karachi while you take out Tier 3 cities and lower, that's not a fair trade for Pak.

In the India-Pak context, it's a different ballgame. The distances to cover for a conventional strike are too much and targets too many for PAF to simply "take out" India's BMD. You will need an entire new air force the size of PAF with highly advanced jets at the F-35 level to even begin to contemplate taking out India's BMD. There's that much of a difference even without the S-400s.

MIRV isn't a threat anymore. AESA can track 1000+ targets and engage 16+ at once at the very minimum. And a major city could have as many as 2 systems deployed, which means 4 radars, which equals 64 targets at the minimum at a time. Which means you will have to use at least 64 warheads to saturate the defences of one city. And this is not counting at least 2 or even 3 chances the BMD system will get. So we are talking about a minimum of 128 warheads. 3 warheads per missile will give you 43 missiles. Do you even have that many strategic missiles? Do note this is for one city.

Of course, we can do a Russia and stick 5 regiments on each city, particularly Delhi and Mumbai. Then you will need 320 warheads at the minimum, or 107 missiles just to saturate the defences of one city.

And this is not even counting other SAM systems that are BMD capable, like the S-400 or the new XRSAM. Even the Barak-8 provides some BMD protection, particularly in the Delhi-Mumbai context. Of course, there's also new BMD technologies like lasers and mid course interceptors that can stop missiles before the separation stage.

The only effective way to beat BMD today is to make stuff that the BMD cannot stop in the first place. And that's really difficult in the India-Pak context because the distances are so small that the speed of such a system will not be effective enough, and if something that disregards distance is made, like a hypersonic cruise missile, Pak is not sophisticated to build such a system before India can counter it. Overall, it's a losing game.



Nope. It just means if you are only a conventional power, your bark is worse than your bite. Conventional missiles don't do too much harm and it cannot be used as a threat against a nuclear power anyway.



That's a stupid article.

A lot of such doomsday articles are written by anti-nuclear groups that exaggerate the effects of fallout in order to build a public opinion against it. Even military experts with no nuke background are fooled by this.

Both our countries can launch all our nukes right now and life will go on as usual even in the unaffected parts of the target itself, let alone the rest of the countries or the world.

Even the MAD concept between the US and Russia is so exaggerated that it's funny, especially with modern nukes which are very small and carry very small amounts of radioactive material.

There are even idiots who believe they can poison rivers like the Ganga with just a few nukes. So idiotic that they think some 200Kg of uranium or 50Kg of plutonium will irradiate even small streams let alone some of the largest rivers when many times more amount than that is naturally available in our water systems.

People are gullible and they would rather believe Hollywood over scientific experts.



A Su-35 costs $25M. An F-15E costs upwards of $100M. You do the math.



PN's surface fleet won't last 30 minutes. Probably a dozen Brahmos at best and it will cease to exist.

Indian ships have defences that work against something like the CM-400AKG. This missile type was countered by the Americans back in the 70s. You can simply outmanoeuvre these missiles also.

DE submarines are useless without a surface fleet protecting it. You forget that your subs cannot hit top speed for more than 2 hours or so. They will just get hunted down by helicopters.

PN is a peacetime navy, not a warfighing navy. The PAF is almost there, and the PA will follow. In about 10 years, the equation between Pak armed forces and Indian armed forces will change so much that we will become more frightening to Pakistan than the US armed forces.

I hope your military is not anywhere near this stupid, otherwise this region is heading straight for a nuclear holocaust.
 
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Current inventories of warheads on both sides is 100-150 each. When the numbers reach 250...350...450; does the strategic calculus in south block change when Pakistan has enough warheads to cover the top 100 most populated Indian cities with multiple warheads each? (Serious question) with that many warheads incoming even the latest ABM systems can't ensure to get even most of the warheads; a lot will get through.

Those numbers are too small in the Indo-Pak context due to Indian BMD. The Pakistani delivery systems will have to change. My last post to dsr478 covers this.

Also a demonstration test of a strategic warhead (doesn't have to be tactical) away from the battlefield (as in the french doctrine; "warning shot"; yield 300 kilotons) would get the world's attention to put pressure on India.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-Sol_Moyenne_Portée
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNA_(Airborne_nuclear_warhead)

A warning shot won't stop the Indian military since the action has already been taken after careful deliberation by both hawks and doves and the hawks are now making the decision. Once the hawks take over, it's either the NSA, army chief or the Northern Army command making decisions, while the PM and his ilk are hiding away in a bunker, preparing for a post war world.

The idea behind Cold Start is to initiate war before the doves can take action in the first place. That's why there is potential for war to start anytime. Even if the army needs 2 days to set up, the air force can begin immediately, softening up targets for the forward units. The IAF can prepare under the guise of large scale exercises, obviously. We could very well be at war right now, without knowledge of it having started. The comfortable times of Op Parakram are over.

Also, a warning shot could mean India will be justified in using first strike. The Pakistanis are not in as comfortable a position as the French were since the Soviet-French dynamics were different. France wasn't part of NATO throughout the Cold War and posed a considerably lesser threat to the Soviets compared to the US and UK. Otoh, Pak has been sabre-rattling and threatening nuclear armageddon on India for decades. India will not have a "warning shot" in its dictionary.

The more serious India's posture is, the less likely is India to be attacked by CBRN weapons. That's why we even reserve the right to "overreact" even if you so much as move your nukes around. Literally, even the possibility of the threat of nuclear weapons being used on us will be considered as an attack on us. Meaning you don't even have to fully deploy if you want to invite an attack. So all this talk of there being a redline for India is pretty stupid.

At least Pakistan's redlines are properly defined. Our NFU policy puts our SFC at a major disadvantage because the window (5 min) is too small for us to react effectively if we slip up, unlike the US or Russia which have at least 20 min to react. So we have decided to put the onus on you not to slip up. Basically, you slip up even accidentally, we fire. That's how serious we take our deterrence.

And if in case we fire and it turns out you were not planning a nuclear attack on us, well, better you than us. We will pen a heartfelt letter of regret for the General Assembly, make a film and sing a sad song about it. The world will chastise us for a while. People will speak ill of nukes and then eventually forget. And India might become the global champion of denuclearization after.

Nukes aren't as good for you as you think they are. Especially if you allow India to go nuclear first.
 
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Those numbers are too small in the Indo-Pak context due to Indian BMD. The Pakistani delivery systems will have to change. My last post to dsr478 covers this.



A warning shot won't stop the Indian military since the action has already been taken after careful deliberation by both hawks and doves and the hawks are now making the decision. Once the hawks take over, it's either the NSA, army chief or the Northern Army command making decisions, while the PM and his ilk are hiding away in a bunker, preparing for a post war world.

The idea behind Cold Start is to initiate war before the doves can take action in the first place. That's why there is potential for war to start anytime. Even if the army needs 2 days to set up, the air force can begin immediately, softening up targets for the forward units. The IAF can prepare under the guise of large scale exercises, obviously. We could very well be at war right now, without knowledge of it having started. The comfortable times of Op Parakram are over.

Also, a warning shot could mean India will be justified in using first strike. The Pakistanis are not in as comfortable a position as the French were since the Soviet-French dynamics were different. France wasn't part of NATO throughout the Cold War and posed a considerably lesser threat to the Soviets compared to the US and UK. Otoh, Pak has been sabre-rattling and threatening nuclear armageddon on India for decades. India will not have a "warning shot" in its dictionary.

The more serious India's posture is, the less likely is India to be attacked by CBRN weapons. That's why we even reserve the right to "overreact" even if you so much as move your nukes around. Literally, even the possibility of the threat of nuclear weapons being used on us will be considered as an attack on us. Meaning you don't even have to fully deploy if you want to invite an attack. So all this talk of there being a redline for India is pretty stupid.

At least Pakistan's redlines are properly defined. Our NFU policy puts our SFC at a major disadvantage because the window (5 min) is too small for us to react effectively if we slip up, unlike the US or Russia which have at least 20 min to react. So we have decided to put the onus on you not to slip up. Basically, you slip up even accidentally, we fire. That's how serious we take our deterrence.

And if in case we fire and it turns out you were not planning a nuclear attack on us, well, better you than us. We will pen a heartfelt letter of regret for the General Assembly, make a film and sing a sad song about it. The world will chastise us for a while. People will speak ill of nukes and then eventually forget. And India might become the global champion of denuclearization after.

Nukes aren't as good for you as you think they are. Especially if you allow India to go nuclear first.

So your saying in the event of a massive Indian air assault; Pakistan should just go for a massive first strike; counter-force and counter-value. If its all going down, better to get in your strikes while you can?
 
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The nature of war has undergone a change in the last two decades. What we face today is a Hybrid War which is a complex hybrid of conventional, asymmetric, information, political, diplomatic and economic warfare. It is fought as a continuum without timelines and fought simultaneously over the entire multi-dimensional spectrum of conflict. any prolonged war will crush indian economy because they are not immune otherwise Russians were much stronger militarily yet vulnerable on other fronts
 
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wow..i hope you become chief of armed forces..therei slimit to bravodo ignoring simple facts

to put it in simple words, if PAF/PN is hopless to IN and IAF, whats the status of PN, IAF to PLAAF and PLAAN

PLAAF outnumbers and outguns IAF more than what IAF does PAF...this is true for everything, including the purchasing budget!

There's no point to simply having more ships, it's the technology behind that counts. For example, the IN P-8s with Harpoons alone can penetrate your defences, forget the Brahmos.

In the case of China, they have more ships, but the technological advantage is ours.

I hope your military is not anywhere near this stupid, otherwise this region is heading straight for a nuclear holocaust.

Sure, you can assume it's stupid. But this is what our Army Chief said.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...my-chief-bipin-rawat/articleshow/62478242.cms
"We will call the (nuclear) bluff of Pakistan. If we will have to really confront the Pakistanis, and a task is given to us, we are not going to say we cannot cross the border because they have nuclear weapons. We will have to call their nuclear bluff," Gen. Rawat said.

The Gagan Shakti exercise should have proven how stupid our Air Chief is also.

So yes, I'm stupid. But so are my military chiefs.

Regardless, this should tell you why your tac nukes won't work. We are not discussing a trip to the park with our kids.

Any Indo-Pak conflict will stay conventional as long as you allow it to stay conventional. But at the same time you should also consider the high and very likely risk that the IA will try and make you use your nuclear weapons in order to force the Indian PM to commit to a first strike before you can. First strike is where the advantage lies.

So your saying in the event of a massive Indian air assault; Pakistan should just go for a massive first strike; counter-force and counter-value. If its all going down, better to get in your strikes while you can?

Yes, you basically have two choices. Either use your nukes or don't. If you don't use your nukes, we won't either. So any conflict will happen without our nuclear forces coming into the picture. This is one of the reasons why there has not been a global nuclear war in the first place. There is no middle ground, it's all or nothing.

There are no redlines for India. If you slip up, you are guaranteed to be destroyed.

The nature of war has undergone a change in the last two decades. What we face today is a Hybrid War which is a complex hybrid of conventional, asymmetric, information, political, diplomatic and economic warfare. It is fought as a continuum without timelines and fought simultaneously over the entire multi-dimensional spectrum of conflict. any prolonged war will crush indian economy because they are not immune otherwise Russians were much stronger militarily yet vulnerable on other fronts

Our industry is far too spread out for anybody to destroy our economy, not even the US or Russia can.

For example, we build our industry along highways. So you have a thin strip of land going dozens and dozens of kilometres in length. It's impossible to destroy that without soldiers on the ground or air attacks, neither of which Pakistan is capable of doing.

Our cities are vulnerable, but our BMD should take care of that.
 
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Our industry is far too spread out for anybody to destroy our economy, not even the US or Russia can.

For example, we build our industry along highways. So you have a thin strip of land going dozens and dozens of kilometres in length. It's impossible to destroy that without soldiers on the ground or air attacks, neither of which Pakistan is capable of doing.

Our cities are vulnerable, but our BMD should take care of that.
spread out???? you are simply ignoring the impact of a war on economy.. war is not just about sending aircrafts and bomb some factories, your heavy industry is dependent upon Chinese imports and incase of war any plan B to cater the industrial needs at the same cost??? on the other hand a one-theater operation, in 1999, was estimated to cost between Rs 5000-10,000 crore a week. hows about a per day cost of a full operation? and what would be the long term impact of the same at economy?
 
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Above there is a prime example of how shittin in open can damage your brain
 
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spread out???? you are simply ignoring the impact of a war on economy.. war is not just about sending aircrafts and bomb some factories, your heavy industry is dependent upon Chinese imports and incase of war any plan B to cater the industrial needs at the same cost??? on the other hand a one-theater operation, in 1999, was estimated to cost between Rs 5000-10,000 crore a week. hows about a per day cost of a full operation? and what would be the long term impact of the same at economy?

Everything you have talked about is unrelated to the topic.

Pakistan does not have the conventional capability to bring changes to India's economy. Only nuclear weapons potentially can. And even those are so few in number that any potential damage will be too less to bring about significant long term change. India's current industrial utilisation is only half. Meaning, we have built so much excess capacity that we can only use half of it. So even if you destroy half of our industry, which you cannot, India's economy will remain unaffected in the mid term, potentially just a few months at best.

I don't know why China has come into the picture. Any Indo-Pak war will not affect the India-China equation. They will simply abandon you.

As for Kargil War, your number there is wrong.
http://www.sacw.net/kargil/price.html
Circa 1999. Kargil. Though the conflict is currently localised,
defence analysts claim that the military operations are expected
to cost anything between Rs 5000-10000 crore (Rs 50,000 to
100,000 million).

It's 56 days since India's defence machinery launched Operation
Vijay to dislodge the Pakistani intruders who are occupying the
strategic heights above the Srinagar-Leh highway. The 300-350 air
strikes carried out by the Indian Air Force along cost in the
region of Rs 2000 crore (Rs 20,000 million).


The cost of operations carried out by the army roughly hovers
around Rs 10-15 crores (Rs 100-150 million) per day at present.

But with the possibility of the Kargil conflict intensifying and
continuing till September (or beyond?) it is anybody's guess what
the overall expenditure will be.


The amount you have listed is the potential total expenditure of the entire Kargil War. The actual cost was Rs 10,000 Cr for the whole duration of the war, which is peanuts for India even if you multiply that by 5 times today. When it comes to money, don't worry too much about us. I would recommend reading the full article, it's a real eye-opener.

In order to deal with Pakistan militarily, we only need to continue raising our defence budget faster than Pakistan every year, nothing else. Political and diplomatic pressure will take care of the rest. We don't need to fight a war.
 
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Everything you have talked about is unrelated to the topic.

Pakistan does not have the conventional capability to bring changes to India's economy. Only nuclear weapons potentially can. And even those are so few in number that any potential damage will be too less to bring about significant long term change. India's current industrial utilisation is only half. Meaning, we have built so much excess capacity that we can only use half of it. So even if you destroy half of our industry, which you cannot, India's economy will remain unaffected in the mid term, potentially just a few months at best.

I don't know why China has come into the picture. Any Indo-Pak war will not affect the India-China equation. They will simply abandon you.

As for Kargil War, your number there is wrong.
http://www.sacw.net/kargil/price.html
Circa 1999. Kargil. Though the conflict is currently localised,
defence analysts claim that the military operations are expected
to cost anything between Rs 5000-10000 crore (Rs 50,000 to
100,000 million).

It's 56 days since India's defence machinery launched Operation
Vijay to dislodge the Pakistani intruders who are occupying the
strategic heights above the Srinagar-Leh highway. The 300-350 air
strikes carried out by the Indian Air Force along cost in the
region of Rs 2000 crore (Rs 20,000 million).


The cost of operations carried out by the army roughly hovers
around Rs 10-15 crores (Rs 100-150 million) per day at present.

But with the possibility of the Kargil conflict intensifying and
continuing till September (or beyond?) it is anybody's guess what
the overall expenditure will be.


The amount you have listed is the potential total expenditure of the entire Kargil War. The actual cost was Rs 10,000 Cr for the whole duration of the war, which is peanuts for India even if you multiply that by 5 times today. When it comes to money, don't worry too much about us. I would recommend reading the full article, it's a real eye-opener.

In order to deal with Pakistan militarily, we only need to continue raising our defence budget faster than Pakistan every year, nothing else. Political and diplomatic pressure will take care of the rest. We don't need to fight a war.

"A per day cost of war in 2016 would cross Rs 5,000 crore, considering Kargil, a one-theatre operation, in 1999, was estimated to cost between Rs 5000-10,000 crore a week."
https://www.thequint.com/news/india/war-with-pakistan-will-push-indias-economy-by-almost-a-decade
 
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"A per day cost of war in 2016 would cross Rs 5,000 crore, considering Kargil, a one-theatre operation, in 1999, was estimated to cost between Rs 5000-10,000 crore a week."
https://www.thequint.com/news/india/war-with-pakistan-will-push-indias-economy-by-almost-a-decade

5000 Cr a day? That's many times more than the cost of all the artillery guns we used. We could buy an entire Kargil War army a day at that price. :lol:

It's just common sense. If a single artillery shell comes in at Rs 30,000 and I use 5,000 a day, the total cost is Rs 15Cr a day. The M-2000 CPFH was $1000. Even if the entire fleet of 40 flew 2 hours a day, that's only $80,000 per jet or Rs 0.52Cr a day, add another 0.5Cr for air dropped bombs. Add all that up and you won't get more than 16Cr a day for the most expensive stuff used :lol:

Kargil war lasted 2 months. So 17x60 = 1020 Cr.

And we used only 35000 soldiers, so not a lot there in terms of daily expenses.

The Rs 10-15Cr figure for the army was given officially by the Ministry of Finance themselves at the time.

A huge chunk of the expenditure was not made for the actual war effort, it was used up on buying equipment from South Africa, Russia, Israel and France. That's where the other Rs 9000Cr went into. Of course, quite a bit into keeping the jets flying too.
 
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5000 Cr a day? That's many times more than the cost of all the artillery guns we used. We could buy an entire Kargil War army a day at that price. :lol:

It's just common sense. If a single artillery shell comes in at Rs 30,000 and I use 5,000 a day, the total cost is Rs 15Cr a day. The M-2000 CPFH was $1000. Even if the entire fleet of 40 flew 2 hours a day, that's only $80,000 per jet or Rs 0.52Cr a day, add another 0.5Cr for air dropped bombs. Add all that up and you won't get more than 16Cr a day for the most expensive stuff used :lol:

Kargil war lasted 2 months. So 17x60 = 1020 Cr.

And we used only 35000 soldiers, so not a lot there in terms of daily expenses.

The Rs 10-15Cr figure for the army was given officially by the Ministry of Finance themselves at the time.

A huge chunk of the expenditure was not made for the actual war effort, it was used up on buying equipment from South Africa, Russia, Israel and France. That's where the other Rs 9000Cr went into. Of course, quite a bit into keeping the jets flying too.

you are calculating the prices of weaponry rather than viewing the entire scenario in a larger context within the first two days of kargil war indian rupee inflated right away which resulted in increase of debts and liabilities indian national debts before war were indicating healthy trends but as the conflict started they increased tremendously following few years india increased its defense budget massively by cutting the funds of development programs i will not go further in detail the impact of conflict on stock exchanges and investments but wars always fought on multiple fronts and military is one of them wars in battle field could end in few days but their impact could last many years
 
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you are calculating the prices of weaponry rather than viewing the entire scenario in a larger context within the first two days of kargil war indian rupee inflated right away which resulted in increase of debts and liabilities indian national debts before war were indicating healthy trends but as the conflict started they increased tremendously following few years india increased its defense budget massively by cutting the funds of development programs i will not go further in detail the impact of conflict on stock exchanges and investments but wars always fought on multiple fronts and military is one of them wars in battle field could end in few days but their impact could last many years

Our economy was fine in 1999. We grew 8.8% that year.
 
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