Destroying Myth of Indian Indengious Weapons Capability
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may be money and paint..it includes more than 1%....so ur point is wrong...
No, your whole point for this thread is wrong
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I will tell you who has it turn around face the mirror you will not only have a skinny black a$$¡but also a kicked one
Getting desperate, are we? You are late to the party, your compatriot's a$$es has already been kciked
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guys plz kick j-17 out of this thread....
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can we discuss this bird:
shaurya missile:
The Shaurya missile (Sanskrit: Valour) is a canister launched Supersonic surface-to-surface tactical missile developed by the Indian Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) for use by the Indian Armed Forces. It has a range of between 750 to 1900 km [2] and is capable of carrying a payload of one ton conventional or nuclear warhead.[4] It gives the potential to strike in the short-intermediate range against any adversary.[5] The Shaurya missile provides India with a significant second strike capability.[6]
shaurya missile:
The Shaurya missile (Sanskrit: Valour) is a canister launched Supersonic surface-to-surface tactical missile developed by the Indian Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) for use by the Indian Armed Forces. It has a range of between 750 to 1900 km [2] and is capable of carrying a payload of one ton conventional or nuclear warhead.[4] It gives the potential to strike in the short-intermediate range against any adversary.[5] The Shaurya missile provides India with a significant second strike capability.[6]
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some other drdo projects:
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1. Oleo-resin plastic hand grenades
made out of Bhut Jholokia chilli.
for riot control
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1. Oleo-resin plastic hand grenades
made out of Bhut Jholokia chilli.
for riot control
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2.120 mm illuminating bombs, 105 mm illuminating shells
for artillery
for artillery
'Indian' Dhruv copter gets Italian makeover
Ajai Shukla / New Delhi September 13, 2010, 0:24 IST
The Dhruv Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH) has been widely regarded as a triumph of indigenous military rotorcraft design and manufacturing.
Scores of Dhruvs already flying in army colours will be joined by another 159, which the military ordered last year from Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).
And, Ecuadors air force chose the Dhruv ALH in an international tender in 2008 for seven helicopters.
But now it emerges that the Dhruv is struggling with a serious problem.
The army, which was to be supplied 20 Dhruvs last year, refused to accept any until HAL fixed a problem that was restricting the Dhruvs cruising speed to 250 kilometers per hour, significantly short of the 270 kmph that HAL specifications promise.
Unable to find a cure, HAL has brought in a consultant: Italian aerospace propulsion major, Avio.
Indias military sets high store by the Dhruvs engine power; the helicopter must operate from tiny landing grounds at 6,500 meters (about 21,000 feet), which is the altitude of Sonam Post, Indias highest helipad on the Siachen Glacier.
But even after paying French engine-maker, Turbomeca, Rs 1,000 crore to design the Shakti engine - a superb performer at high altitudes - the Dhruvs Integrated Dynamic System, or IDS, which transfers power from the Shakti engines to the helicopter rotors, is not performing optimally.
That, say HAL engineers, has reduced speed, high-altitude capability, and the life of the IDS.
The Italian consultants will now scrutinise the Dhruvs IDS to diagnose the problem. Avio will start by building a single HAL-designed IDS in Avios facilities in Italy, using their own materials and tools.
They will then test-run this for 400-500 hours; if it works perfectly, it would be evident that the flaw lies in HALs manufacturing, rather than the IDS design.
On the other hand, if the Avio-built IDS performs poorly during the test run, there is clearly a design problem. Avio will then redesign the IDS.
A senior HAL official explained to Business Standard: Avio will review the whole design, on a purely consultancy basis.
They will give us a redesign that will be the first phase. We will have to translate that new design into an engineered product. And, after that, well have to do the ground testing and the flight-testing. It will be a long-drawn affair.
Avio, Business Standard has learned, was HALs second choice.
But the first choice consultant, an American company, had so much work on its plate that it had to turn HAL away.
Meanwhile, Indias army and air force strapped for helicopters have no choice but to accept and fly Dhruvs, even though they are performing below par and metal keeps chipping off inside the IDS.
HAL has itself implemented six changes inside the IDS and 30 helicopters have been flying with these changes for some 400 hours.
So far, there has been no major problem.
This is not dangerous for the pilots, says a senior HAL official.
Heavy chipping of metal would warn us about an impending failure of the IDS. There is a monitoring system inside the IDS, which checks for the presence of tiny metal chips in the oil.
There is no danger of sudden, catastrophic failure in flight.
Top officials in the Ministry of Defence have conveyed strong displeasure to HAL over what they consider a sloppy work culture.
Talking to Business Standard on condition of anonimity, a MoD official points out, The Avio consultancy will place HALs work culture under serious scrutiny.
To identify the fault in the Dhruvs IDS, Avio has insisted on auditing HALs facilities and practices.
This will amount to a full external audit, which will highlight systemic and procedural problems that HAL would never have identified on its own.
But the MoD also accepts that the aerospace establishment, hungry for success, developed the Dhruv in haste and introduced it into operational service without adequate testing.
Illustrating this point, the MoD official says: The IAF asked for about 75 design changes while HAL was developing the Dhruv.
This prevented a coherent and systematic design process.
And, thereafter, HAL was too eager to introduce the Dhruv into service.
It has now emerged that it was unwise of HAL, and of the IAF, to operationalise the Dhruv before the design was fully stabilised.
This year, the army and the IAF will introduce 31 new HAL-built Dhruv Mark 3 helicopters into service.
These are part of an order placed on HAL last year for 159 Dhruv helicopters to be supplied by 2015.
Of these, 83 are utility helicopters called Dhruv Mark 3, used for transporting people.
The other 76 are Mark 4 helicopters, which will be fitted with cannons, rockets, missiles and electronic warfare equipment. These are called Dhruv (Weapon Systems Integrated), or Dhruv (WSI).
Ajai Shukla / New Delhi September 13, 2010, 0:24 IST
The Dhruv Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH) has been widely regarded as a triumph of indigenous military rotorcraft design and manufacturing.
Scores of Dhruvs already flying in army colours will be joined by another 159, which the military ordered last year from Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).
And, Ecuadors air force chose the Dhruv ALH in an international tender in 2008 for seven helicopters.
But now it emerges that the Dhruv is struggling with a serious problem.
The army, which was to be supplied 20 Dhruvs last year, refused to accept any until HAL fixed a problem that was restricting the Dhruvs cruising speed to 250 kilometers per hour, significantly short of the 270 kmph that HAL specifications promise.
Unable to find a cure, HAL has brought in a consultant: Italian aerospace propulsion major, Avio.
Indias military sets high store by the Dhruvs engine power; the helicopter must operate from tiny landing grounds at 6,500 meters (about 21,000 feet), which is the altitude of Sonam Post, Indias highest helipad on the Siachen Glacier.
But even after paying French engine-maker, Turbomeca, Rs 1,000 crore to design the Shakti engine - a superb performer at high altitudes - the Dhruvs Integrated Dynamic System, or IDS, which transfers power from the Shakti engines to the helicopter rotors, is not performing optimally.
That, say HAL engineers, has reduced speed, high-altitude capability, and the life of the IDS.
The Italian consultants will now scrutinise the Dhruvs IDS to diagnose the problem. Avio will start by building a single HAL-designed IDS in Avios facilities in Italy, using their own materials and tools.
They will then test-run this for 400-500 hours; if it works perfectly, it would be evident that the flaw lies in HALs manufacturing, rather than the IDS design.
On the other hand, if the Avio-built IDS performs poorly during the test run, there is clearly a design problem. Avio will then redesign the IDS.
A senior HAL official explained to Business Standard: Avio will review the whole design, on a purely consultancy basis.
They will give us a redesign that will be the first phase. We will have to translate that new design into an engineered product. And, after that, well have to do the ground testing and the flight-testing. It will be a long-drawn affair.
Avio, Business Standard has learned, was HALs second choice.
But the first choice consultant, an American company, had so much work on its plate that it had to turn HAL away.
Meanwhile, Indias army and air force strapped for helicopters have no choice but to accept and fly Dhruvs, even though they are performing below par and metal keeps chipping off inside the IDS.
HAL has itself implemented six changes inside the IDS and 30 helicopters have been flying with these changes for some 400 hours.
So far, there has been no major problem.
This is not dangerous for the pilots, says a senior HAL official.
Heavy chipping of metal would warn us about an impending failure of the IDS. There is a monitoring system inside the IDS, which checks for the presence of tiny metal chips in the oil.
There is no danger of sudden, catastrophic failure in flight.
Top officials in the Ministry of Defence have conveyed strong displeasure to HAL over what they consider a sloppy work culture.
Talking to Business Standard on condition of anonimity, a MoD official points out, The Avio consultancy will place HALs work culture under serious scrutiny.
To identify the fault in the Dhruvs IDS, Avio has insisted on auditing HALs facilities and practices.
This will amount to a full external audit, which will highlight systemic and procedural problems that HAL would never have identified on its own.
But the MoD also accepts that the aerospace establishment, hungry for success, developed the Dhruv in haste and introduced it into operational service without adequate testing.
Illustrating this point, the MoD official says: The IAF asked for about 75 design changes while HAL was developing the Dhruv.
This prevented a coherent and systematic design process.
And, thereafter, HAL was too eager to introduce the Dhruv into service.
It has now emerged that it was unwise of HAL, and of the IAF, to operationalise the Dhruv before the design was fully stabilised.
This year, the army and the IAF will introduce 31 new HAL-built Dhruv Mark 3 helicopters into service.
These are part of an order placed on HAL last year for 159 Dhruv helicopters to be supplied by 2015.
Of these, 83 are utility helicopters called Dhruv Mark 3, used for transporting people.
The other 76 are Mark 4 helicopters, which will be fitted with cannons, rockets, missiles and electronic warfare equipment. These are called Dhruv (Weapon Systems Integrated), or Dhruv (WSI).
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3.A 51 mm Light Weight Infantry Platoon Mortar for the Indian Army. A man portable weapon, the 51 mm mortar achieves double the range of 2-inch (51 mm) mortar without any increase in weight. Its new HE bomb uses pre-fragmentation technology to achieve vastly improved lethality vis a vis a conventional bomb. Besides HE, a family of ammunition consisting of smoke, illuminating and practice bombs has also been developed. The weapon system is under production at Ordnance Factories.
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4.The Indian Field Gun, a 105 mm field gun was developed for the Indian Army and is in production. This was a significant challenge for the OFB, and various issues were faced with its manufacture including reliability issues and metallurgical problems. These were rectified over time.
The Indian government told Parliament today that "deficiencies have been detected in the airframe and other associated equipment of the LCA Navy. Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is working out modalities with various organisations for rectifying these deficiencies by suitable modifications to the engine/airframe design.
The first prototype of the LCA Navy (NP-1) will be a two-seat trainer variant of the naval fighter, and will be followed by the single-seat NP-2 (terrible view from the cockpit!). I met LCA Navy programme director Cmde CD Balaji (Retd) today at DefExpo and received a full update on the programme. Cmde Balaji says he is aiming for a full power-on of NP-1 in the next three months, a roll out of the aircraft from its final integration facility by mid-2010, and a first flight in the second half of this year.
The front fuselage of NP-1 is identical to the LCA fighter trainer that began flight tests in November last year, and therefore test points for the LCA Navy have already started clocking, according to Cmde Balaji. The only part of the front fuselage that will require a full routine of tests is a small additional control surface near the wing roots in the LCA Navy that isn't there on the air force version. The NP-1 prototype is 80% complete, with some work left on the aircraft's landing gear. The LCA Navy will also have auxiliary air intakes.
Significantly, while EADS has already begun consulting with the LCA air force variant programme, the LCA Navy is still to begin consulting with Lockheed-Martin (which won a bid to consult for the LCA Navy) since protocol clearances from the US government still haven't come through (which, personally stinks of something deeper).
"We are fully capable of completing the exercise on our own. However, we have decided to hire the services of a consultant to optimise our requirements. For example, we need to reconfigure our landing gear for a greater sink rate, etc," Cmde Balaji says. (Sure)
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New interceptor missile fails to take off
PTI, Mar 15, 2010, 11.35am IST
BALASORE: India's new Advanced Air Defence (AAD) interceptor missile, capable of destroying hostile missiles, on Monday encountered coordination problem and failed to take off during a planned launch from the Integrated Test Range at Wheeler Island off Orissa coast.
"Coordinated exercise between target missile Prithvi from Chandipur and the indigenously built interceptor from Wheeler Island could not take place properly during the planned trial," defence sources said.
Though Prithvi - the target missile - was test-fired at 10.02 hrs from a mobile launcher from ITR's launch complex-3 at Chandipur-on-sea, 15 km from here, the interceptor missile failed to blast off, they said.
Though the exact reason behind interceptor missile's failure to take off was yet to be ascertained, preliminary analysis suggested that the target missile might have deviated from its stipulated trajectory, leading to lack of proper coordination, the sources said.
The trial, aimed at developing a multi-layer Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) system, was originally scheduled to be held on Sunday from the two different sites of the ITR but had to be put off due to some technical snag in a sub-system at Wheeler Island, they said.
Wheeler's Island is located about 70 km across the sea from Chandipur and the AAD missile was to intercept the target at an altitude of 15 to 20 km over the sea.
The first prototype of the LCA Navy (NP-1) will be a two-seat trainer variant of the naval fighter, and will be followed by the single-seat NP-2 (terrible view from the cockpit!). I met LCA Navy programme director Cmde CD Balaji (Retd) today at DefExpo and received a full update on the programme. Cmde Balaji says he is aiming for a full power-on of NP-1 in the next three months, a roll out of the aircraft from its final integration facility by mid-2010, and a first flight in the second half of this year.
The front fuselage of NP-1 is identical to the LCA fighter trainer that began flight tests in November last year, and therefore test points for the LCA Navy have already started clocking, according to Cmde Balaji. The only part of the front fuselage that will require a full routine of tests is a small additional control surface near the wing roots in the LCA Navy that isn't there on the air force version. The NP-1 prototype is 80% complete, with some work left on the aircraft's landing gear. The LCA Navy will also have auxiliary air intakes.
Significantly, while EADS has already begun consulting with the LCA air force variant programme, the LCA Navy is still to begin consulting with Lockheed-Martin (which won a bid to consult for the LCA Navy) since protocol clearances from the US government still haven't come through (which, personally stinks of something deeper).
"We are fully capable of completing the exercise on our own. However, we have decided to hire the services of a consultant to optimise our requirements. For example, we need to reconfigure our landing gear for a greater sink rate, etc," Cmde Balaji says. (Sure)
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New interceptor missile fails to take off
PTI, Mar 15, 2010, 11.35am IST
BALASORE: India's new Advanced Air Defence (AAD) interceptor missile, capable of destroying hostile missiles, on Monday encountered coordination problem and failed to take off during a planned launch from the Integrated Test Range at Wheeler Island off Orissa coast.
"Coordinated exercise between target missile Prithvi from Chandipur and the indigenously built interceptor from Wheeler Island could not take place properly during the planned trial," defence sources said.
Though Prithvi - the target missile - was test-fired at 10.02 hrs from a mobile launcher from ITR's launch complex-3 at Chandipur-on-sea, 15 km from here, the interceptor missile failed to blast off, they said.
Though the exact reason behind interceptor missile's failure to take off was yet to be ascertained, preliminary analysis suggested that the target missile might have deviated from its stipulated trajectory, leading to lack of proper coordination, the sources said.
The trial, aimed at developing a multi-layer Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) system, was originally scheduled to be held on Sunday from the two different sites of the ITR but had to be put off due to some technical snag in a sub-system at Wheeler Island, they said.
Wheeler's Island is located about 70 km across the sea from Chandipur and the AAD missile was to intercept the target at an altitude of 15 to 20 km over the sea.
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5.Submerged Signal Ejector cartridges (SSE), limpet mines, short range anti-submarine rockets (with HE and practice warheads), the Indian Sea Mine which can be deployed against ships and submarines both. The DRDO also designed short and medium range ECM rockets which deploy chaff to decoy away anti-ship homing missiles. In a similar vein, they also developed a 3 in (76.2 mm) PFHE shell, prefragmented and with a proximity fuse, for use against anti-ship missiles and other targets, by the Navy. All these items are in production.
Indian army wants INSAS series of rifles replaced:
New Delhi, Wednesday, May 26, 2010: Gearing up its soldiers for future warfare, the Indian Army feels there is an "urgent need" to replace the indigenously developed and manufactured INSAS series of rifles.
"There is an urgent need to develop rifles, carbines and light machine guns of 5.56mm calibre to replace the existing INSAS class of weapons," it said in the 'Defence Ministry's Technology Perspective and Capability Roadmap' document.
The INSAS rifles, designed by the DRDO, were inducted into the Armed forces in the 90s and have been used in the Kargil war and counter-insurgency operations also.
In its early days with the Army, the rifles faced reliability problems in the cold climate in places such as Kashmir valley and Siachen glacier.
Due to the cold weather, the rifles would jam occasionally and the polymer magazines would crack.These problems were later corrected by the manufacturers.
PTIN
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Now, army wants to dump the indigenous Insas rifle:
New Delhi, Thursday, February 18, 2010: Yet another move by the Indian Army to dump indigenous equipment has come under sharp focus within the services and outside. The decision to look for a foreign replacement for the Indian small arms system (Insas) assault rifle the standard rifle of an Indian soldier came as the army is under attack from various quarters for its resistance to the Arjun tank.
The Insas and Arjun are indigenously made, and are among rare successes for India, which is heavily dependent on foreign firms for defence equipment.
The army wants to dump the Insas as it allegedly doesnt measure up to its requirements.
One of the arguments is that it does not instantly kill the enemy. But its defenders pointed out that it was not supposed to kill the enemy, but injure him so that in a battlefield more of his fellow soldiers are busy evacuating the injured.
A serving senior officer from the infantry said it was baffling that the infantry directorate has issued a global tender for replacing the Insas. It has been designed precisely according to our quality requirements. If we have new requirements, we should ask the ordnance factory board to rework it, and not scrap the project, the officer, who was involved in the induction of Insas, told DNA. He pointed out that the rifle had undergone several refinements, so it is now a good weapon.
Insas is a 5.56mm rifle, and performs as well as any in its class, argued its supporters. It may not be as finished as others, but then you get an Insas for only Rs 24,000. Its comparative guns are in the range of Rs 1.25 lakh, an official pointed out.
The global RFP (request for proposal) issued for a new assault rifle for the army stipulated that it had to be lighter than 3.5 kg, making impossible for the Insas to even compete in the tender; an Insas weighs 4.1 kg.
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Agni-II missile fails to clear night trial
TNN 24 November 2009, 12:28am ISTText Size:|Topics:Agni
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BALASORE: India's nuclear-capable intermediate range Agni-II missile, test-fired for the first time after sunset on Monday, reportedly failed to get
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the desired results.
The Army test-fired the surface-to-surface Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile (IRBM) from the Integrated Test Range (ITR) from Wheeler’s Island, Bhadrak district, around 7.50pm.‘‘The liftoff and the first stage separation was smooth. But it faltered just before the second stage separation and behaved erratically, deviating from its coordinated path. Further analysis is on to ascertain the cause,’’ said a source.
The entire trajectory of Monday’s trial was tracked by a battery of sophisticated radars, telemetry observation stations, electro-optic instruments and a naval ship.
The launch, originally scheduled in the first week of this month, was deferred due to some technical snags in its pneumatic system. Though the snags were rectified, another glitch surfaced during Monday’s test, leading to the fiasco, the source claimed.
The nuclear capable 2,000-km-plus range missile has a length of 20 meters, a diameter of one meter, weighs 17 tonnes and can carry a payload of around 1,000 kg. It was first tested on April 11, 1999.
The test launch was significant from India's strategic point of view because for the first time since the beginning of DRDO’s missile development programme, a missile was put under trial during night. The user trial was conducted by Army officials while scientists from DRDO were present to provide necessary logistical support.
New Delhi, Wednesday, May 26, 2010: Gearing up its soldiers for future warfare, the Indian Army feels there is an "urgent need" to replace the indigenously developed and manufactured INSAS series of rifles.
"There is an urgent need to develop rifles, carbines and light machine guns of 5.56mm calibre to replace the existing INSAS class of weapons," it said in the 'Defence Ministry's Technology Perspective and Capability Roadmap' document.
The INSAS rifles, designed by the DRDO, were inducted into the Armed forces in the 90s and have been used in the Kargil war and counter-insurgency operations also.
In its early days with the Army, the rifles faced reliability problems in the cold climate in places such as Kashmir valley and Siachen glacier.
Due to the cold weather, the rifles would jam occasionally and the polymer magazines would crack.These problems were later corrected by the manufacturers.
PTIN
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Now, army wants to dump the indigenous Insas rifle:
New Delhi, Thursday, February 18, 2010: Yet another move by the Indian Army to dump indigenous equipment has come under sharp focus within the services and outside. The decision to look for a foreign replacement for the Indian small arms system (Insas) assault rifle the standard rifle of an Indian soldier came as the army is under attack from various quarters for its resistance to the Arjun tank.
The Insas and Arjun are indigenously made, and are among rare successes for India, which is heavily dependent on foreign firms for defence equipment.
The army wants to dump the Insas as it allegedly doesnt measure up to its requirements.
One of the arguments is that it does not instantly kill the enemy. But its defenders pointed out that it was not supposed to kill the enemy, but injure him so that in a battlefield more of his fellow soldiers are busy evacuating the injured.
A serving senior officer from the infantry said it was baffling that the infantry directorate has issued a global tender for replacing the Insas. It has been designed precisely according to our quality requirements. If we have new requirements, we should ask the ordnance factory board to rework it, and not scrap the project, the officer, who was involved in the induction of Insas, told DNA. He pointed out that the rifle had undergone several refinements, so it is now a good weapon.
Insas is a 5.56mm rifle, and performs as well as any in its class, argued its supporters. It may not be as finished as others, but then you get an Insas for only Rs 24,000. Its comparative guns are in the range of Rs 1.25 lakh, an official pointed out.
The global RFP (request for proposal) issued for a new assault rifle for the army stipulated that it had to be lighter than 3.5 kg, making impossible for the Insas to even compete in the tender; an Insas weighs 4.1 kg.
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Agni-II missile fails to clear night trial
TNN 24 November 2009, 12:28am ISTText Size:|Topics:Agni
DRDO
BALASORE: India's nuclear-capable intermediate range Agni-II missile, test-fired for the first time after sunset on Monday, reportedly failed to get
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the desired results.
The Army test-fired the surface-to-surface Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile (IRBM) from the Integrated Test Range (ITR) from Wheeler’s Island, Bhadrak district, around 7.50pm.‘‘The liftoff and the first stage separation was smooth. But it faltered just before the second stage separation and behaved erratically, deviating from its coordinated path. Further analysis is on to ascertain the cause,’’ said a source.
The entire trajectory of Monday’s trial was tracked by a battery of sophisticated radars, telemetry observation stations, electro-optic instruments and a naval ship.
The launch, originally scheduled in the first week of this month, was deferred due to some technical snags in its pneumatic system. Though the snags were rectified, another glitch surfaced during Monday’s test, leading to the fiasco, the source claimed.
The nuclear capable 2,000-km-plus range missile has a length of 20 meters, a diameter of one meter, weighs 17 tonnes and can carry a payload of around 1,000 kg. It was first tested on April 11, 1999.
The test launch was significant from India's strategic point of view because for the first time since the beginning of DRDO’s missile development programme, a missile was put under trial during night. The user trial was conducted by Army officials while scientists from DRDO were present to provide necessary logistical support.
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