Definitive shift in Chinese foreign policy

[Khitan21]

Yes, we are rewinding the clock. The Chinese empire is back with a vengeance like the Mongol Yuan empire with ~300 megatons of nuclear deterrence. Don't say Napoleon didn't warn you.

meh, the Yuan sucked, I prefer the Golden Tang Empire

 

[HongWu]

No we're not. We're only enforcing the territorial claim we enacted in our constitution in 1949. In more than 60 years, those proclaimed borders did not increase an inch.

You fail to understand the key issue.

In 1949, we did not immediately attack all these countries we had a territorial dispute with, or even after we developed nuclear weapons in 1967, which made them feel like we didn't really mean it when we make our territorial claims.

Today China is strong enough to take back our territory with raw military power so they feel like we have become more aggressive. Even if so, there is nothing to be ashamed of.... we did not collect the debt when it first became due but it is not too late to collect it today.

 

[Zero_wing]

You fail to understand the key issue.

In 1949, we did not immediately attack all these countries we had a territorial dispute with, or even after we developed nuclear weapons in 1967, which made them feel like we didn't really mean it when we make our territorial claims.

Today China is strong enough to take back our territory with raw military power so they feel like we have become more aggressive. Even if so, there is nothing to be ashamed of.... we did not collect the debt when it first became due but it is not too late to collect it today.

Good go ahead then see what happens am thinking like more like the Boxer Rebellion or Japanese Occupation of China.

If you think your forces are ready wage an aggressive war please do.

 

[anon45]

You fail to understand the key issue.

In 1949, we did not immediately attack all these countries we had a territorial dispute with, or even after we developed nuclear weapons in 1967, which made them feel like we didn't really mean it when we make our territorial claims.

Today China is strong enough to take back our territory with raw military power so they feel like we have become more aggressive. Even if so, there is nothing to be ashamed of.... we did not collect the debt when it first became due but it is not too late to collect it today.

Go ahead and do so Hong Wu, you are a cartoon character persona .

 

[Wombat]

You fail to understand the key issue.

In 1949, we did not immediately attack all these countries we had a territorial dispute with, or even after we developed nuclear weapons in 1967, which made them feel like we didn't really mean it when we make our territorial claims.

Today China is strong enough to take back our territory with raw military power so they feel like we have become more aggressive. Even if so, there is nothing to be ashamed of.... we did not collect the debt when it first became due but it is not too late to collect it today.

awwwwww!!!! HongWu for President !!!!

I will start building my nuclear bunker when you come to power Just in case you plan to unleash one of your nukes on us ..

 

[conworldus]

The sea dispute reflects our lack of control over our territorial waters. Much of the islands are still under Vietnams and the Philippines control. We still do not have enough long range supply capability to control these waters. This is the reason that countries like the Philippines have aggressively attacked our fishing boats and even fatally shot our fishermen. The building of a blue water navy takes time. Only a strong navy can make sure our sea claim is respected.

 

[Solomon2]

China did not nullify any commitment to international law. When we signed the UNCLOS, there were two separate documents. One dealt with the boundaries of the territorial water and EEZ etc, and the other dealt with UN court arbitration in case of dispute...Thus, the UN court has no juristiction over us. Second, the PRC maintained the same claim to territories since 1949 -

The U.N. says China ratified UNCLOS in 1996 with these declarations:

In accordance with the decision of the Standing Committee of the Eighth National People's Congress of the People's Republic of China at its nineteenth session, the President of the People's Republic of China has hereby ratified the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea of 10 December 1982 and at the same time made the following statement:

1. In accordance with the provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, the People's Republic of China shall enjoy sovereign rights and jurisdiction over an exclusive economic zone of 200 nautical miles and the continental shelf.

2. The People's Republic of China will effect, through consultations, the delimitation of the boundary of the maritime jurisdiction with the States with coasts opposite or adjacent to China respectively on the basis of international law and in accordance with the principle of equitability.

3. The People's Republic of China reaffirms its sovereignty over all its archipelagos and islands as listed in article 2 of the Law of the People's Republic of China on the territorial sea and the contiguous zone, which was promulgated on 25 February 1992.

4. The People's Republic of China reaffirms that the provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea concerning innocent passage through the territorial sea shall not prejudice the right of a coastal State to request, in accordance with its laws and regulations, a foreign State to obtain advance approval from or give prior notification to the coastal State for the passage of its warships through the territorial sea of the coastal State. link

That is, China agreed to commit to UNCLOS' boundary limitations AND dispute procedure. In 2006 China officially reneged on the U.N. procedure - and, in effect, on its previous commitment to conform to UNCLOS.

 

[S10]

The U.N. says China ratified UNCLOS in 1996 with these declarations:

In accordance with the decision of the Standing Committee of the Eighth National People's Congress of the People's Republic of China at its nineteenth session, the President of the People's Republic of China has hereby ratified the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea of 10 December 1982 and at the same time made the following statement:

1. In accordance with the provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, the People's Republic of China shall enjoy sovereign rights and jurisdiction over an exclusive economic zone of 200 nautical miles and the continental shelf.

2. The People's Republic of China will effect, through consultations, the delimitation of the boundary of the maritime jurisdiction with the States with coasts opposite or adjacent to China respectively on the basis of international law and in accordance with the principle of equitability.

3. The People's Republic of China reaffirms its sovereignty over all its archipelagos and islands as listed in article 2 of the Law of the People's Republic of China on the territorial sea and the contiguous zone, which was promulgated on 25 February 1992.

4. The People's Republic of China reaffirms that the provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea concerning innocent passage through the territorial sea shall not prejudice the right of a coastal State to request, in accordance with its laws and regulations, a foreign State to obtain advance approval from or give prior notification to the coastal State for the passage of its warships through the territorial sea of the coastal State. link

That is, China agreed to commit to UNCLOS' boundary limitations AND dispute procedure. In 2006 China officially reneged on the U.N. procedure - and, in effect, on its previous commitment to conform to UNCLOS.

Obviously you have problem reading. Look at #3 and tell me what that means.

You fail to understand the key issue.

In 1949, we did not immediately attack all these countries we had a territorial dispute with, or even after we developed nuclear weapons in 1967, which made them feel like we didn't really mean it when we make our territorial claims.

Today China is strong enough to take back our territory with raw military power so they feel like we have become more aggressive. Even if so, there is nothing to be ashamed of.... we did not collect the debt when it first became due but it is not too late to collect it today.

We did not have the money, influence or the military forces to back our boundaries in 1949. Today we do, and that's all we should be doing. However, we should never go down the route of United States, constantly invading foreign nations and toppling governments.

Not everything has to be resolved through military means. Quit being such an extreme expansionist. I am not interested in any foreign land, only those described in our constitution since 1949.

 

[JSCh]

Declarations or Statements upon UNCLOS ratification

Introduction:

Article 310 of the Convention allows States and entities to make declarations or statements regarding its application at the time of signing, ratifying or acceding to the Convention, which do not purport to exclude or modify the legal effect of the provisions of the Convention.

Article 310 reads:

"Article 310. Declarations and statements "Article 309 does not preclude a State, when signing, ratifying or acceding to this Convention, from making declarations or statements, however phrased or named, with a view, inter alia, to the harmonization of its laws and regulations with the provisions of this Convention, provided that such declarations or statements do not purport to exclude or to modify the legal effect of the provisions of this Convention in their application to that State."

Article 287, paragraph 1, provides that States and entities, when signing, ratifying or acceding to the Convention, or at any time thereafter, may make declarations specifying the forums for the settlement of disputes which they accept.

As anybody can read from above, the UNCLOS, being a loose convention allowed states to add declaration and statement at anytime.

Below is the list of countries/states that has made some form of declaration at different stages. (also from the UN webpage link at the top).

To characterized China having done the same as one of the states listed above as having "Renege" UNCLOS (while fully allowed by the convention) without further clarification is in my view intellectually dishonest.

 

[Solomon2]

Obviously you have problem reading. Look at #3 and tell me what that means.

It means China is clarifying its territorial claims, not renouncing UNCLOS either in whole or in part, as China affirmed in #1.

If China meant otherwise it would have had to point this out at the time. Instead China is saying its words meant one thing in one decade and something else in another.

We did not have the money, influence or the military forces to back our boundaries in 1949. Today we do, and that's all we should be doing. However, we should never go down the route of United States, constantly invading foreign nations and toppling governments.

Nobody is stopping China from withdrawing from Tibet and China possesses all the money, influence, and military force necessary to do so consistent with maintaining China's security.

 

[S10]

It means China is clarifying its territorial claims, not renouncing UNCLOS either in whole or in part, as China affirmed in #1.

If China meant otherwise it would have had to point this out at the time. Instead China is saying its words meant one thing in one decade and something else in another.

Nobody is stopping China from withdrawing from Tibet and China possesses all the money, influence, and military force necessary to do so consistent with maintaining China's security.

We have maintained the same claim to South China Sea since 1949, and the previous government also claim the area. The claims are consistent, and has not changed. The only difference is we clearly defined the 9 dotted lines.

Nobody is stopping Americans with withdrawing back to Europe since they have the money and military to do so. You are also unlikely to face persecution at this day and age in Europe. Better yet, nobody is stopping the Zionists from withdrawing illegally occupied Palestine too. So what's stopping you?

 

[Solomon2]

We have maintained the same claim to South China Sea since 1949, and the previous government also claim the area. The claims are consistent, and has not changed. The only difference is we clearly defined the 9 dotted lines.

Sorry, that's enough to say that China broke the letter and spirit of what it committed to in UNCLOS. Don't think that China's leaders and top diplomats don't know that.

Nobody is stopping Americans with withdrawing back to Europe since they have the money and military to do so.

Probably we don't; there is a difference between 300 million people traveling the ocean vs. 3 million on land. But I take your response as frank acknowledgment that China is currently a colonial power that has no intent of changing its amoral policies in the near future.

You are also unlikely to face persecution at this day and age in Europe. Better yet, nobody is stopping the Zionists from withdrawing illegally occupied Palestine too. So what's stopping you?

Ah, OT trolling and red herrings. Go fish!

 

[HongWu]

Good go ahead then see what happens am thinking like more like the Boxer Rebellion or Japanese Occupation of China.

If you think your forces are ready wage an aggressive war please do.

We already grabbed Scarborough Shoal and nobody was brave enough to challenge us

 

[Ayush]

The same rhetoric over and over - you know what - everyone knows what China's after - you have made it amply clear, there are obviously some statements and steps that CCP masters will make towards that - those are expected and in line with your doctrine - as far as 62 goes, it's been oft repeated as it was 50 years ago and Nehru was an idiot who didn't know how to respond back - even the present dispute of Kashmir is this idiot's gift for us.

very true.

 

[Fsjal]

We already grabbed Scarborough Shoal and nobody was brave enough to challenge us

The Philippine Navy does not have the capability to fight your hi tech navy. The BRP Gregorio Del Pilar is the best the navy has while china has Type 54A frigates.