Defence Secretary to head team for Beijing dialogue

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The Hindu : Front Page : Defence Secretary to head team for Beijing dialogue

NEW DELHI: As part of annual dialogue, Defence Secretary Pradeep Kumar will leave for Beijing on Tuesday for a meeting with his Chinese counterpart and discussions to carry forward the ties between the two militaries.

The Sino-Indian Defence Dialogue will be held on January 6 and 7. Mr. Kumar will lead a delegation that includes Major-General Munish Sibal from the Eastern Command and officers of the Navy and the Air Force.

“We will be sharing our perception of issues in the region and world while looking at exchange programmes between the personnel of the three services and joint exercises,” a top official in the Ministry told The Hindu.

In its 2008-09 annual report, the Ministry noted that while monitoring China’s defence modernisation and its military assistance and cooperation with Pakistan, New Delhi would engage Beijing “to seek greater transparency and openness in its defence policy and posture, while taking all necessary measures to protect the national security, territorial integrity and sovereignty of India.”

In December 2007, the Indian Army and the People’s Liberation Army of China held the first joint exercise in counter-terrorism and counter-insurgency. It was held in Kunming, Yunan province, around the time when the first annual defence dialogue took place.

During December 2008, while the second annual defence dialogue was held in New Delhi, joint exercises took place in Belgaum, Karnataka.

Last year, no exercise was scheduled since China could not spare its forces. Joint exercises are expected to be held this year.
Incursions

While New Delhi has maintained that there is no increase in the number of incursions on the Sino-Indian border, the issue is expected to figure during next week’s dialogue.

Recently, during his visit to New Delhi, the PLA Deputy Chief of General Staff, General Ge Zhen Feng, told Defence Minister A.K. Antony that the present generation of political leadership in both countries would solve the border dispute through political negotiations and dialogue.

On his part, Mr. Antony said India did not want to escalate differences and would work to strengthen cooperation in various areas to the benefit of both countries.

 

[ambidex]

Do we really needs this? I am totally against such bilateral military related dialogues with China. Let them/both be in a vacuum of non exposure to each other. More china will know our constrains more they will be able to deceive/be fool India by the covert references to such meetings or dialogues. This is what they did before 1962. China may has become modern but the core values haven't change much.

 

[Communist]

Any attempt by Beijing to open a dialog and negotiation with india to solve any issue whatsoever will be considered by india as the weakness of Chinese nation. If Beijing really has guts, then it should not obey indian dictations and refuse to co-operate, particularly after the repeated indian threats of entering deep into China within 92 hours with full military thrust and of nuking China's Harbin city as well.

If Beijing negotiates with a rogue jingoist state, then it should be considered as an act of compromising with the national prestige of the Chinese nation. If the current Govt of China is really a patriotic nationalist govt, then it should send the indian military team back to india without even serving them tea and biscuits.

I would urge the people of China to stand up with potency and build an immense pressure on the govt of China so that it would not negotiate with an aggressive dangerous state.

People of China, particularly Hans, please do not forget you have the Altaic origin, the great Mongols as your ancestors who never feared death. Please do not show cowardice.

 

[Honor]

Do we really needs this? I am totally against such bilateral military related dialogues with China. Let them/both be in a vacuum of non exposure to each other. More china will know our constrains more they will be able to deceive/be fool India by the covert references to such meetings or dialogues. This is what they did before 1962. China may has become modern but the core values haven't change much.

What was India constraints? India so easy to fool? What is China core values?

Stop BS!

 

[ambidex]

^here you go.
This what will happen in Chinese political faculty.
''India'' do not feed the beast.
Before opening their doors to the west they were happy and prosperous. After opening their doors for the same they are again happy and prosperous.
Only India had has been suffering post independence. The only way ahead for India is to prepare and preserve against branded enemies. There should be not benefit of doubt to these adversaries.
You are the victim ''India''. When we were required to feed your nation they forced you to build arms. We have inherited problems with Pakistan but problems from china were thrust upon us by a well planned conspiracy. The game is still not over China can be India's competitor but not team mate.

This what they did in 1962, large quantity of non-military supplies to Tibet were sent through the Indian port of Calcutta at that time when they started moving their artillery and army facing Taiwan now to mac-mohan line. This what they are doing coping and outsourcing modern arsenal only against India. History repeat its self out bound to china a recently stopped air plane at Calcutta with ammunition was an alarm.

They know that USA is beyond their scope. They can not win US by arms but they dream that they will win India and level scores this time.

 

[Communist]

^here you go.
This what will happen in Chinese political faculty.
''India'' do not feed the beast.

Who wants to be fed by wild animals?

Nobody is here to make friendship with you. Nobody cares you either.

It would be good for your health, if you do not show your arrogance to everyone.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-...stan-simultaneously-indian-army-chief-41.html

All fingers are not of same size and shape. Plus some fingers might have sharp lethal nails.

 

[Veer]

We should not believe Chinese they are back stabbers. They will talk sweet and covertly act against us.

We should buy time by 2020 militarily (hardware wise) we will be in position to hold them by neck, and we will then see their all the aggressions.

By then India will have dozens of canistered ICBMs with multiple warhead, hypersonic missiles, 5th gen fighters, nuke SSBNs with SLBMs, SSGNs, stealth destroyers,AIP subs with SLBM and Aircraft Career.

Obviously by then China will be more strong but we will also about equal then we will talk as equal giants.

 

[ambidex]

What was India constraints? India so easy to fool? What is China core values?

Stop BS!

The first mission to reconnaissance or espionage any country is always to know the political desire/aim of that nation's decision makers. Till today we have seen the trend so don't polish things when they do not deserve to be. Let it be rough that's the point.

India and China fought a brief war in 1962 when Mao was leader of China and Nehru was the Prime Minister of India. Mao made a mockery of Nehru declaration that “Indians and Chinese are brothers” Zhou Enlai said the aim of the war was to “teach India a lesson.”

In the late fifties, after China invaded Tibet, China built outpost on the edge of Ladakh and a road that connected the region with Tibet and the western Chinese province of Xinjiang. In 1958 an Indian patrol was captured and Nehru sent soldiers into the Aksai, a desolate 8000-square-mile plateau occupied by China. China answered back with an offensive during October and November, 1962 and captured 2000 more square miles before a cease-fire was called.

It was tense time, with the world's two most popular nations at war. Trenches were dug in Calcutta and Delhi, and the Hindu festival of Lights was canceled out of fear that the lit up cities would be easy targets for Chinese air raids. Up until that time India had been a neutral country like Switzerland. [Source: W.E. Garret, National Geographic May 1963]

During the fighting more men died of altitude-induced heart failure and brain hemorrhages than gun shot wounds. Helicopters carried victims that were in such bad shape their skin had decayed away leaving only bones. Chinese soldiers were better prepared than their Indian counterparts. They had spent a year in Tibet getting acclimated to the cold and altitude.

India was worried that China was going to invade disputed and largely undefended region of Assam in far eastern India. At that time Assam was the home of rich jute and tea plantations that provided on forth of India's exports.

The United States supported India. The Kennedy administration feared that India might fall like domino and contemplated using nuclear weapons if China invaded India a second time. In one meeting Robert McNamara told Kennedy: “Any large Chinese Communist attack on any part of the area would require the use of nuclear weapons by the U.S., and this is to be preferred over the large number of U.S. soldiers.”

These are historical facts explaining Indian constrains and backstabbing of China.
Your core value is communism which is still not changed so get your facts and acts brushed up don't ask me to spoon feed.

 

[ambidex]

Who wants to be fed by wild animals?

Nobody is here to make friendship with you. Nobody cares you either.

It would be good for your health, if you do not show your arrogance to everyone.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-...stan-simultaneously-indian-army-chief-41.html

All fingers are not of same size and shape. Plus some fingers might have sharp lethal nails.

Bring it on we will see you on the ground.

 

[Communist]

indians proved in 1962 that all they can do is to deceive and back stab who wants to co-exist with india peacefully.

So shameless, that they still come to China with a military team for negotiation. Chinese do not go to india for negotiation, its only shameless indians who come to China.

Kick their @r$ and send them back. Thats the treatment they deserve.

 

[Communist]

Bring it on we will see you on the ground. This time we will fight on the streets of Beijing.

Forget reaching Beijing...

Chinese will teach you the definition of fighting at your sweet home.

 

[ambidex]

indians proved in 1962 that all they can do is to deceive and back stab who wants to co-exist with india peacefully.

So shameless, that they still come to China with a military team for negotiation. Chinese do not go to india for negotiation, its only shameless indians who come to China.

Kick their @r$ and send them back. Thats the treatment they deserve.

Yea the same Chinese were begging to participate in Indian ocean multi nation drill and were refused by India. Very Sad Very Sad

 

[Communist]

Yea the same Chinese were begging to participate in Indian ocean multi nation drill and were refused by India. Very Sad Very Sad

yeah and the same indians wanted to improve their military bases in South Tibet borrowing money from ADB, but very sad that they were refused and kicked by the Chinese.

 

[ambidex]

India should learn from rest of the Globe. One one wants to share anything with China that is why they are smuggling/copying weapons from every where.

 

[ambidex]

yeah and the same indians wanted to improve their military bases in South Tibet borrowing money from ADB, but very sad they they were refused and kicked by the Chinese.

Any proof that India wanted to improve military bases by that ADB money. I wont mind Chinese Source.