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Defence industry of Pakistan Must Build Commercial Vehicles & Products.

honestly depending on how it works not a bad idea- actually we just need to debate how to implement this without interfering in their job

Majority of Vietnams big corporations are owned by military and also Chinas big firms like Huawei etc were of military or ex-military men till 2008

Not a bad idea, infact can be good but we need to analyse it further tbh
Lets start this topic again.
Those who were against they will understan now.
Need of our Army Air force & Navy increasing.
Only two ways to fulfill this need,
One apply heavy Tax on Nation.
2nd create some profit earning industries for Army navy & Air Force.

1: Games

2: Cell Phone

3: Cars

4: Resturants

5: Parks & Play Lands


6: Hotels

7: Home Appliances

8: Airline

9: Transport

Above mention points are profit making points, you can add some more points.
This profit will allow us to do reverse engineering
By reverse engineering we will able to make 80% our own weapons Aircraft Tanks Helicopter
And other weapons for our forces.
not the underlined things, this is just canabalizing on local industries
only export industries should be allowed
 
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honestly depending on how it works not a bad idea- actually we just need to debate how to implement this without interfering in their job

Majority of Vietnams big corporations are owned by military and also Chinas big firms like Huawei etc were of military or ex-military men till 2008

Not a bad idea, infact can be good but we need to analyse it further tbh

not the underlined things, this is just canabalizing on local industries
only export industries should be allowed


Army must make each and every thing for Civilians.
It will create healthy competition between Army Sector and Private Sector.

Honda is PKR 4000000/= Army can provide same type of car in Half price.
 
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Foundations being run for fauji welfare are already vwry profitable. Just Fauji Foundation alone makes billions in profits every year.

Putting every thing in one basket is a recipe of corruption. If you want Military to run everything then first make them accountable. When was the last time you saw a general being held accountable for every thing. General Hidayat ur rehman when questioned by APS mums told them make more kids if others are martyred. With people like these no we should allow more commercialisation of Army.
 
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This a great idea if Pakistan Defense Industry start building Car, Trucks, Buses & other vehicles.

Chinese army has around 2000/companies Chinese army add their profit in national wealth.

If our Army Navy & Air force start business civilian will get jobs.

They can make Mobile phone.

They can make Cars.

They can make heavy earth movers like lifter, bulldozer.

They can make cutlery.

They can run PIA.

They can run Railway.

They can run PNSC.

From diaper to dynamite they can make thousands of things for commercial purpose.

They become self-dependent and civilian will get jobs.

They must run all business under strict army rule but provide jobs to civilians.

it is good in theory.

tell me what an army officer is going to do. Get a comfortable job in air conditioned office managing engineers or sitting in god forsaken mountain facing the Indian army or fighting tribal rebels in your Northwest
 
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it is good in theory.

tell me what an army officer is going to do. Get a comfortable job in air conditioned office managing engineers or sitting in god forsaken mountain facing the Indian army or fighting tribal rebels in your Northwest

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Fall of persian empire
Fall of greece empire
Fall of ottoman empire

it prove that Army will have to work on civilian projects.
How long Tax will support you???
US army is not making any Civilian and Millitry project.
Their Private sector work under the ministry of defence.
When there is No War they provoke their Government for War.
Americans could owe $6.5 trillion for wars in Afghanistan and Iraq — and that's just the interest

And Private Sector who makes weapons for US are Rich.

That's Why I always try to wake up my Army, I don't want to see them like US Army dependable on Tax and Private sector.

(My Army is my Proud)
 
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This a great idea if Pakistan Defense Industry start building Car, Trucks, Buses & other vehicles.

Chinese army has around 2000/companies Chinese army add their profit in national wealth.

If our Army Navy & Air force start business civilian will get jobs.

They can make Mobile phone.

They can make Cars.

They can make heavy earth movers like lifter, bulldozer.

They can make cutlery.

They can run PIA.

They can run Railway.

They can run PNSC.

From diaper to dynamite they can make thousands of things for commercial purpose.

They become self-dependent and civilian will get jobs.

They must run all business under strict army rule but provide jobs to civilians.

great idea .
 
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Fall of persian empire
Fall of greece empire
Fall of ottoman empire

it prove that Army will have to work on civilian projects.
How long Tax will support you???
US army is not making any Civilian and Millitry project.
Their Private sector work under the ministry of defence.
When there is No War they provoke their Government for War.
Americans could owe $6.5 trillion for wars in Afghanistan and Iraq — and that's just the interest

And Private Sector who makes weapons for US are Rich.

That's Why I always try to wake up my Army, I don't want to see them like US Army dependable on Tax and Private sector.

(My Army is my Proud)

I hear you. I have read books on the fall of the Roman Empire.

Pakistan has a bloated military. I cannot help you here. A productive economy can spend 2-3% of the GDP on defense almost indefinitely. For Pakistan the number is 3.5-4% which is not too shabby. It is not end of the world. The real problem with Pakistan is that military puts its head where it does not belong. It prevents trade with India and Iran, interferes in domestic politics.
 
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I hear you. I have read books on the fall of the Roman Empire.

Pakistan has a bloated military. I cannot help you here. A productive economy can spend 2-3% of the GDP on defense almost indefinitely. For Pakistan the number is 3.5-4% which is not too shabby. It is not end of the world. The real problem with Pakistan is that military puts its head where it does not belong. It prevents trade with India and Iran, interferes in domestic politics.

Pakistan Must start trade from Iran, import oil from iran as well.
We do want to trade with indai it is good for our people.
I want Pak army to Build its own Auto mobile industre.
see this price lave of india.
in pakistan worthless cars price start for 1200000 to 1300000 this is starting price of a worthless car.
honestly depending on how it works not a bad idea- actually we just need to debate how to implement this without interfering in their job

Majority of Vietnams big corporations are owned by military and also Chinas big firms like Huawei etc were of military or ex-military men till 2008

Not a bad idea, infact can be good but we need to analyse it further tbh

not the underlined things, this is just canabalizing on local industries
only export industries should be allowed

Every thing need some Law Army establish corporations civilians will get jobs.

 
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Pakistan Must start trade from Iran, import oil from iran as well.
We do want to trade with indai it is good for our people.
I want Pak army to Build its own Auto mobile industre.
see this price lave of india.
in pakistan worthless cars price start for 1200000 to 1300000 this is starting price of a worthless car.


Every thing need some Law Army establish corporations civilians will get jobs.


A good suggestion to utilize the disciplined force and be equipped with more than appropriate facilities to participate in the development of a country. In Pakistan civilians usually, don't like to work hard and we already witnessed, what happened in the sad Sialkot incident and how it was presented by culprits as blasphemous to misguide the masses. Sorry to be off-topic.

Pakistan aramed forces were already in practice since the decades of 50s at their bases of commercial activities at a very nominal price to its member's families. It was in the form of the following lists:
Transport of school-going children of members families to the schools in the vicinity of Cantt/garrisons and usually that was free.
Establishing of dairy farm to provide milk/butter to the member's families at a minimal cost.
Establishing vegetable farms to provide fresh/seasonal vegetables at minimal cost to the families of members.
Establishing CSD (Canteen Stores Department) facilities (like utility stores) to provide groceries to the families of members at reduced prices.
In the provision of rations (Flour, Sugar, Coal, and Kerosene Oil) to the families of members in reference to the registered members in records; at minimal prices.

I also witnessed here, many of the PDF member's objections to the military budget, as they were never/aware of the facts, how the armed forces were/are contributing to the welfare of the members. They only know about DHA and that's all. They kept a blind eye towards the mushroomed growth of illegal civilian colonies/towers built on government lands by land grabbers/politico groups with the help of 'frontmen'.

To utilize the well-equipped facilities of the armed forces (off-work hours) for the development of auto engineering field; what I know the first initiative was taken by AVM Farooq Umer in the decades of 80s while he was in command of PAC Kamra and while it was not so productive as compared to today. AVM planned with some private group to manufacture the parts of a vehicle known as PROFICIENT. That vehicle resembles in shape with SUZUKI at the time and the private group was utilizing much of the parts from SUZUKI's inventory. Later they decide to manufacture the parts in Pakistan.
Unfortunately, that plan miserably failed as nil public support was there in the market for 'Made in Pakistan'; even today one could find the attitude of Pakistanis to go for 'Made in Pakistan'. We usually prefer to buy foreign/imported items.
Hope your efforts in discussing such issued may develop some awareness in Pakistan or at least in PDF.
 
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Civilian Auto and Truck sector makes 5-6 Billion Dollars annually
Vs JF17 Thunder sale makes you odd 25 Million

Pakistan's Defense sector can be self financed if a Manufacturing Unit focused on Indigenous Car, Truck , Bus Manufacturing

Phase 1: Setup Auto , Truck , Motor Cycle Plan
Phase 2 : Ban foreign Auto , Truck entry into Pakistan unless for Military
Phase 3 : 10 Year Incubation period
Phase 4 : Grow profits to 2-3 Billion Range from Local Market
Phase 5 : Grow research base for Military Jeep and Trucks
 
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A good suggestion to utilize the disciplined force and be equipped with more than appropriate facilities to participate in the development of a country. In Pakistan civilians usually, don't like to work hard and we already witnessed, what happened in the sad Sialkot incident and how it was presented by culprits as blasphemous to misguide the masses. Sorry to be off-topic.

Pakistan aramed forces were already in practice since the decades of 50s at their bases of commercial activities at a very nominal price to its member's families. It was in the form of the following lists:
Transport of school-going children of members families to the schools in the vicinity of Cantt/garrisons and usually that was free.
Establishing of dairy farm to provide milk/butter to the member's families at a minimal cost.
Establishing vegetable farms to provide fresh/seasonal vegetables at minimal cost to the families of members.
Establishing CSD (Canteen Stores Department) facilities (like utility stores) to provide groceries to the families of members at reduced prices.
In the provision of rations (Flour, Sugar, Coal, and Kerosene Oil) to the families of members in reference to the registered members in records; at minimal prices.

I also witnessed here, many of the PDF member's objections to the military budget, as they were never/aware of the facts, how the armed forces were/are contributing to the welfare of the members. They only know about DHA and that's all. They kept a blind eye towards the mushroomed growth of illegal civilian colonies/towers built on government lands by land grabbers/politico groups with the help of 'frontmen'.

To utilize the well-equipped facilities of the armed forces (off-work hours) for the development of auto engineering field; what I know the first initiative was taken by AVM Farooq Umer in the decades of 80s while he was in command of PAC Kamra and while it was not so productive as compared to today. AVM planned with some private group to manufacture the parts of a vehicle known as PROFICIENT. That vehicle resembles in shape with SUZUKI at the time and the private group was utilizing much of the parts from SUZUKI's inventory. Later they decide to manufacture the parts in Pakistan.
Unfortunately, that plan miserably failed as nil public support was there in the market for 'Made in Pakistan'; even today one could find the attitude of Pakistanis to go for 'Made in Pakistan'. We usually prefer to buy foreign/imported items.
Hope your efforts in discussing such issued may develop some awareness in Pakistan or at least in PDF.

Thanks to understand my views, normally in PDF people never understand, and give nagative remarks like this is not possible this is not the work of Army, you want to make (Armistan to Pakistan).

As I understand these type of people never study their history. If Ottoman Army was not became burden on Ottoman Empire that could defete all the enamy.


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Civilian Auto and Truck sector makes 5-6 Billion Dollars annually
Vs JF17 Thunder sale makes you odd 25 Million

Pakistan's Defense sector can be self financed if a Manufacturing Unit focused on Indigenous Car, Truck , Bus Manufacturing

Phase 1: Setup Auto , Truck , Motor Cycle Plan
Phase 2 : Ban foreign Auto , Truck entry into Pakistan unless for Military
Phase 3 : 10 Year Incubation period
Phase 4 : Grow profits to 2-3 Billion Range from Local Market
Phase 5 : Grow research base for Military Jeep and Trucks



You are right but we must introduce Army products as a market competitor.
As you know the price of Honda Civic and Toyota in Pakistan.
even cheapest products of Suzuki start from PKR 1200000/=

PAF can maintain PIA Fleet, if they maintain PIA and other Airline Fleet, PAC will earn profit from commercial airlines too.

PAC used to make Mobile but it was limited now start it again as a rival of VIVO, TECNO and Infinix.
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