Defence & Diplomacy Airchief Interview 25.5.2016

[ACE OF THE AIR]

your right it doesn't make sense for an airforce to aggressively market a fighter plane in international airshows when was the last time the USAF did this its companies like lockheed, McDonnel Douglas, Grumman, boeing that do all this, does the leadership of the USAF actively promote the F-35 to the rest of the world, the PAF are aware of it and know that they'll get a nice piece of a pie, this bullshit ACM was talking about with regards to making an aviation city was a farce too. even the israelis never mastered this they made the lavi and later scrapped it since then they've only specialized in avionics. even european countries with decades of experience like italy never designed a fighter jet independently. The chinese have taken decades to master jet engine technology, yet pakistan will achieve this feet?

PAF requires 100 F-16's, for these they would go for older frames. New is out of the question because it costs similar to what EFT would cost. Older F-16 can come to Pakistan even before the general elections...

 

[Windjammer]

Hi,

Their problem is the dellusions of grandeur they live under. Nobody has held their feet to the fire in the last 50 + years.

Until and unless that is not done---the problem won't be fixed.

Look at the interviewer----if he could kiss the ACM's ar-se on the TV---he would have done that.

I would take away the JF17 project from active duty air force and give it to retd air force personal and with pilots on deputation to the JF17 project.

This air force is becoming ' car dealership ' and the air force generals are becoming ' car salesmen '.

The reasonthey are not getting a potent system---is that then they may have to fight a war---so as long as the Paf keeps weak---pak military will stay away from war----air force personal will have jobs secured after retirement----.

It is the greatest CON GAME that the air force has played on pakistan and sold the pakistanis lock stock and barrel.

Yes sir, the enemy would first send an invitation to the PAF, inquiring if it has any plans to go to war, obviously PAF will say no, so the dis hearted enemy will have to knock on some other door.
BTW, the interviewer is a former Air Directorate, Group Captain S M Hali....meeting him personally and judging him through a TV show is indeed a dishonour to his credibility.

 

[Tps43]

ACM shoail may be not good and any body can agree or differ but this man has taken the operational level of paf to sky as compared with past not like the ACM tanvir!

 

[RAMPAGE]

This idea of relying on the aviation city for our 5th Gen needs should not be INSTEAD of, but in parallel with off-the-shelf procurement. I hope there is a plan.

He is gambling on somehow a local talent evolving and is putting hope in the wrong people.

@JamD is right. That local talent is supposed to absorb and build on the technical know-how gained from joint ventures. That talent is to be gathered and nurtured in a new, Innovation-friendly environment.

 

[Tps43]

PAF stands here today is all due to people like ACM tanvir he litterly destroyed the whole air defence setup and enginnering department due to his personal reasons which he showed during his first speech as air cheif

 

[MastanKhan]

Yes sir, the enemy would first send an invitation to the PAF, inquiring if it has any plans to go to war, obviously PAF will say no, so the dis hearted enemy will have to knock on some other door.
BTW, the interviewer is a former Air Directorate, Group Captain S M Hali....meeting him personally and judging him through a TV show is indeed a dishonour to his credibility.

Hi,

My man---sarcasm aside----I am too old for it---well not as much----the enemy challenged it mutlile time---paf was no show.

The TV show was his chance to tell the public what it is----and if he did not---then it is his problem and his media team's problem.

You need to learn it by now---fighter pilots are not car sales people---.

I appreciate him getting the preparedness to greater heights----

But remember the karachi steel mill was also doomed before gen Musharraf sent that retd army general to revive it---so that it could be sold for better funds----.

And the DUMB pakistanis thought that that old steel mill was like---if there was never any problem with it---not understanding that it was just like you shampoo and polish and prep up your old car for sale to make it look good.

So---guys---it is wonderful that the operational capabilities of the air force are at its top best---but it needs to acquire more aircraft---because you can only milk the old machines for so long---just like the steel mill.

PAF stands here today is all due to people like ACM tanvir he litterly destroyed the whole air defence setup and enginnering department due to his personal reasons which he showed during his first speech as air cheif

Hi,

Share with us some of the parts of the speech.

 

[Tps43]

He started by saying that I am here to fix the air defence branch here . After that he bribed the AOC ADC by giving him 3 years extension in his first year and he openly said only F 16 suities PAF doctrine . And stories about his sons well everyone in PAF knows that!

There is a story behind that is when he was a newly commisened officer he was posted in shorkot where he asked for a ride from AD and engg officer both refused that and he said to himself that I would definetly see these guys in future . He shared this after his first address

This is what I can share here sir will share more with u @MastanKhan

 

[litman]

He started by saying that I am here to fix the air defence branch here . After that he bribed the AOC ADC by giving him 3 years extension in his first year and he openly said only F 16 suities PAF doctrine . And stories about his sons well everyone in PAF knows that!

There is a story behind that is when he was a newly commisened officer he was posted in shorkot where he asked for a ride from AD and engg officer both refused that and he said to himself that I would definetly see these guys in future . He shared this after his first address

This is what I can share here sir will share more with u @MastanKhan

ab ander ki batain net pay na share karo bhae. we have plenty of such samples in our military and political elite. read somewhere that BB was very touchy regarding how the food was served to her and used to humiliate the waiters if they made any mistake .

 

[Super Falcon]

For time being, it's the requirement. For future needs, R&D needs to start now is our requirement. He is doing both, with whatever money he got.

Hope it maintained by new chiefs too

We have good knowledged people on aeronautical ideas here too recruit few from here

 

[PakShaheen79]

Hi,

What precedence is there---please share it.

Nuclear and missile Programs.

Yes. There was foreign help available and it shall also be available here in this program as well particularly if we try to get it for educational purposes and build upon it rather than going for a direct military application.

 

[Tps43]

ab ander ki batain net pay na share karo bhae. we have plenty of such samples in our military and political elite. read somewhere that BB was very touchy regarding how the food was served to her and used to humiliate the waiters if they made any mistake .

yes ur are right but its a 10 year old thing so I shared it I could have share alot more but yeah internet ha!

 

[MastanKhan]

ab ander ki batain net pay na share karo bhae. we have plenty of such samples in our military and political elite. read somewhere that BB was very touchy regarding how the food was served to her and used to humiliate the waiters if they made any mistake .

Hi,

Why not share them-----. Why should the criminals not be put to shame---. If I could afford it---I would have it posted on sign boards---.

If that was exposed about BB when she was alive----she would have been humiliated by the reaction and would have changed her attitude.

 

[risingsinga]

I think , on 6th september air chief said ..we are looking for next generation fighter options in both east and west.. Nw he says..we will go for indigenous option, with help from friendly countries???



But i think...on defence day last year...he said tht pak is looking options for next generation fighter aircraft in both east and west ..

https://defence.pk/threads/paf-is-l...in-both-east-and-west-acm-sohail-aman.396791/

and now he says tht we are looking for an indigenous option?

Is it possible that both statements are correct? I think there is a convergence in them. I think the strategist and planners in Pakistan have concluded that indigenous development is the only viable solution especially for future, however it is a long term goal and will take time before you will get an operational next gen aircraft. The second statement may also be true and makes sense that you want a limited number of advanced aircraft to fill the gap and have enough resources to defend Pakistan in case of a war.
But another possibility is that Pakistan has totally shifted to indigenous development with friendly countries like Turkey and Russia and that's where Pakistan want upgraded versions of F-16 from anywhere in the world to have quality and quantity to defend itself until you get your next aircraft..Does this make sense?

 

[volatile]

Hi,

My man---sarcasm aside----I am too old for it---well not as much----the enemy challenged it mutlile time---paf was no show.

The TV show was his chance to tell the public what it is----and if he did not---then it is his problem and his media team's problem.

You need to learn it by now---fighter pilots are not car sales people---.

I appreciate him getting the preparedness to greater heights----

But remember the karachi steel mill was also doomed before gen Musharraf sent that retd army general to revive it---so that it could be sold for better funds----.

And the DUMB pakistanis thought that that old steel mill was like---if there was never any problem with it---not understanding that it was just like you shampoo and polish and prep up your old car for sale to make it look good.

So---guys---it is wonderful that the operational capabilities of the air force are at its top best---but it needs to acquire more aircraft---because you can only milk the old machines for so long---just like the steel mill.


Hi,

Share with us some of the parts of the speech.

Irony is i have seen people not liking you for your truth and may be some day called you traitor but things you pointed out are correct and shows deepest love for Mother land not for some old colleague .I just wish some how these messages get to right people that how much people want to support even they are old car dealers or selling specialized Ind solution with Engineering backgrounds

 

[litman]

Hi,

Why not share them-----. Why should the criminals not be put to shame---. If I could afford it---I would have it posted on sign boards---.

If that was exposed about BB when she was alive----she would have been humiliated by the reaction and would have changed her attitude.

you are right but these people don't care at all what others think about them. even on this site their will be many who can't tolerate a single word of truth regarding some of the military leaders like tanvir . for them military is a bunch of angels and only politicians are bad.

yes ur are right but its a 10 year old thing so I shared it I could have share alot more but yeah internet ha!

Off topic. with higher posts come greater responsibility. that means tougher "hisab kitab " in next world. but people simply don't realize and they usually just enjoy the perks and previlages and act as pharoahs.