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Thirty-five years ago Iranian students stormed the U.S. Embassy in Tehran chanting “death to America.” But today Iran wants to work with the United States to stabilize Iraq while negotiating a deal on its nuclear program. The journey from death threats to diplomacy is both a triumph of U.S. statecraft and a symbol of its declining power.

When I spoke to thinkers, politicians and business people on a recent trip to Tehran, I was struck by the strong consensus that America’s hegemony in the Middle East and in global affairs is giving way to a multipolar order in which power is more widely shared and where its nature is changing. Not long ago, they said, the United States bestrode the Middle East as a unipolar power, the main source of order and disorder, the biggest consumer of hydrocarbons and the most active military power. It was not for nothing that it was nicknamed the “Great Satan.” But today the United States is but one of many players in the region’s security struggles, and its purchases of oil are eclipsed by China’s.

The real Great Satan for today’s Iran is Saudi Arabia. As Nasser Hadian, a professor at Tehran University, explained to me in an interview last week: “It is the Saudis who are challenging us almost everywhere – increasing their oil output and bringing down the prices; forming a GCC (Gulf Cooperation Council) oriented against Iran; challenging us in Iraq, in Pakistan, in Afghanistan, in Lebanon, in Syria and building infrastructure inside Iran.”

When I travelled to Riyadh a few weeks ago, I found that Iranian suspicions of Saudi interference are more than reciprocated, with a litany of complaints about Iranian activism in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Bahrain.

This geopolitical struggle shows the extent to which the dynamics of the region are now set within it. The United States is no longer the main definer of order but rather a resource that Iran and Saudi can use in their struggle against one another – with Saudis encouraging the United States to conduct military strikes in Syria, while some in Tehran may secretly be hoping for them in Iraq.

The U.S. invasion of Iraq set off a chain of events that are dissolving the post-World War I order of the Middle East that the United States has guaranteed in the post-colonial era. In its place we are seeing a resurgence of sectarian identities that were subordinated to nationalism during the mandates in the colonial period and by autocratic governments during the Cold War. If you want to see these in action, you could do worse than travel to Qom, Iran, the Shiite religious center.

Within a stone’s throw of the Fatima Masumeh shrine and the famous seminary is a street full of Arab shops, houses and conveniences. “It is like a China Town,” said a young resident of Qom, “only it is filled with Arabs.” The “Arab street,” as it is known locally, is a haven for Shiites from the Arab world. It is also a reminder of Iran’s regional role and aspirations — Qom has long been the spiritual capital of global Shiism — aspirations that have led Tehran to offer to defend Shia shrines in Najaf, Samarra, Karbala and Damascus.

After years of relentlessly bad news from the frontlines in Syria, there is now talk that the warring factions of the Middle East might be drawn together in a new concert to keep order in a most unlikely place: Iraq. Is it possible that the battlefield that divided the world during the George W. Bush era could bring bitter enemies together under President Barack Obama?

The rise to prominence of the radical Sunni force, the Islamic State in Iraq the Levant, is probably the only thing that Saudis, Iranians, Americans and Europeans are equally worried about. While it’s true that the Saudis have at least turned a blind eye to the funding of the militant Islamist organization, the group is committed to overthrowing the House of Saud, Saudi Arabia’s royal family.

Last week, the influential journalist David Ignatius invoked former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger to talk about a new concert of powers in the Middle East along the lines of the one drawn up after the Napoleonic Wars in Europe. The key then, as now, is reconciling both rising and established powers.

When I asked Kayhan Barzegar, director of the Institute for Middle East Strategic Studies in Tehran, the same question, he also saw prospects for an eventual grand bargain. “Iran would be willing to cooperate on a battle against extremism as a broader agenda in the Middle East region including Syria.” In fact, he claimed that Tehran would be careful not to get involved in too visible a partnership with the United States on Iraq because “such bilateral cooperation with the U.S. will surely alienate Saudi Arabia and the Sunni world, killing any chance of regional cooperation.”

In a post-American Middle East, this kind of concert of powers is the only way to stop the bloodshed. But my instinct — after talks with Iranians and Saudis over the last few months — is that the prospects for a grand bargain are some way off. Although both sides are frightened of an uncontrolled escalation, they have both gained power and prestige from a Middle East split along sectarian lines. Neither side is yet exhausted by the proxy wars or satisfied with the current balance of power. The potential rewards still outweigh the risks of the struggle, particularly for Saudi Arabia, which sees the conflicts as a means of reversing Iranian hegemony in Syria and Iraq.

However, although the Iraqi crisis will not salve relations between Riyadh and Tehran, it does offer an opportunity for a further step toward détente with the West.

In the end, the success or failure of a nuclear deal with Iran will determine whether this is possible, but there are genuine reasons for optimism. Part of the reason is fatigue with biting financial sanctions. Part of it is the overlap of strategic interests in Iraq. Part of it is domestic change in Iran: more than 70 per cent of the Iranian population was not born when the 1979 revolution took place.

“The paradox of the religious revolution,” argues Tehran University’s Hadian, “is that it has created the most secular society in the region. The new generation in Iran is secular, pragmatic, and more open to the West.”

But, of course, the biggest driver for Tehran’s engagement with Washington is America’s desire to disengage from the region, hardly an open invitation for the United States to linger.

Decline of U.S. influence means Iran and Saudi Arabia may just have to get along — eventually | Mark Leonard
 
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decline of U.S influence on what Iran or the world?
I didn't know having 10+ carriers and being able to send them to the Persian gulf in less than two weeks was a sign of weakness.
 
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decline of U.S influence on what Iran or the world?
I didn't know having 10+ carriers and being able to send them to the Persian gulf in less than two weeks was a sign of weakness.

I think the thinking behind this article is. AS more and more of homegrown oil productions comes online. American government will lose interest in Middle East.
 
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I think the thinking behind this article is. AS more and more of homegrown oil productions comes online. American government will lose interest in Middle East.

maybe, but I don't think we have that much oil to truly phase out ME imports. unless we can truly unlock the potential of shale oil/gas and have a paradigm shift to electric and other RE sources we will always have one leg in ME.
 
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I still don't see any decline even though we are being constantly being reminded of it. If people mean a slow down/pause in the ongoing foreign policy efforts in the ME then that would make more sense. Since they already achieved most of their goals in establishing an enormous military base composed of many sub-bases which serve purpose of achieving their political interests through force. Which is terrorism, but terrorism unlike any we've seen, one that is conducted by the world superpower.

What shocks me is that China/Russia aren't taking advantage of the situation. Russia/China need to arm players in the region who are loyal and will oppose US/Israeli/European hegemony in the Middle East. Most people in the region have a horrible experience with those that 'bloc'. That bloc has proven to be hostile against the Palestinians, people of region who don't submit to their circle and supportive of dictatorial regimes who serve US/Israeli interests while stomping their peoples heads.

Russia/China or at least Russia need to consider arming the players who will fall into their influence with effective defensive weapons. Such as Hezbollah/Iran/Syria. They share borders and can do so. I'm not going to mention Egypt/Jordan/KSA because they fall under US/Israeli axis. If the MB was in power in Egypt this wouldn't be the case and that way the Palestinians could also be armed with effective weapons in Gaza. But, Russia should play smart and seriously consider the prospect of regional players. Since the EU/Israel/US axis does everything to harm their interests. And Russia will also have the moral high-ground. Especially if a cease fire is declared in Syria and a political compromise is achieved. They could use the peoples dissappointment in US/israeli policies to their advantage.

@vostok

What do you think?
 
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I know for sure that Iran+ksa= friends is something the west wouldn't want. As long as they remain aggresive against each other it's just going to benefit Israel and the west
 
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I still don't see any decline even though we are being constantly being reminded of it. If people mean a slow down/pause in the ongoing foreign policy efforts in the ME then that would make more sense. Since they already achieved most of their goals in establishing an enormous military base composed of many sub-bases which serve purpose of achieving their political interests through force. Which is terrorism, but terrorism unlike any we've seen, one that is conducted by the world superpower.

What shocks me is that China/Russia aren't taking advantage of the situation. Russia/China need to arm players in the region who are loyal and will oppose US/Israeli/European hegemony in the Middle East. Most people in the region have a horrible experience with those that 'bloc'. That bloc has proven to be hostile against the Palestinians, people of region who don't submit to their circle and supportive of dictatorial regimes who serve US/Israeli interests while stomping their peoples heads.

Russia/China or at least Russia need to consider arming the players who will fall into their influence with effective defensive weapons. Such as Hezbollah/Iran/Syria. They share borders and can do so. I'm not going to mention Egypt/Jordan/KSA because they fall under US/Israeli axis. If the MB was in power in Egypt this wouldn't be the case and that way the Palestinians could also be armed with effective weapons in Gaza. But, Russia should play smart and seriously consider the prospect of regional players. Since the EU/Israel/US axis does everything to harm their interests. And Russia will also have the moral high-ground. Especially if a cease fire is declared in Syria and a political compromise is achieved. They could use the peoples dissappointment in US/israeli policies to their advantage.

@vostok

What do you think?
Russia continues to arm Syria. About to openly challenge the United States - probably the time does not come yet. But it's getting close, I think.
 
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I think the thinking behind this article is. AS more and more of homegrown oil productions comes online. American government will lose interest in Middle East.

Not anytime soon, when the oil from the ME runs out maybe.
 
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Thirty-five years ago Iranian students stormed the U.S. Embassy in Tehran chanting “death to America.” But today Iran wants to work with the United States to stabilize Iraq while negotiating a deal on its nuclear program. The journey from death threats to diplomacy is both a triumph of U.S. statecraft and a symbol of its declining power.

When I spoke to thinkers, politicians and business people on a recent trip to Tehran, I was struck by the strong consensus that America’s hegemony in the Middle East and in global affairs is giving way to a multipolar order in which power is more widely shared and where its nature is changing. Not long ago, they said, the United States bestrode the Middle East as a unipolar power, the main source of order and disorder, the biggest consumer of hydrocarbons and the most active military power. It was not for nothing that it was nicknamed the “Great Satan.” But today the United States is but one of many players in the region’s security struggles, and its purchases of oil are eclipsed by China’s.

The real Great Satan for today’s Iran is Saudi Arabia. As Nasser Hadian, a professor at Tehran University, explained to me in an interview last week: “It is the Saudis who are challenging us almost everywhere – increasing their oil output and bringing down the prices; forming a GCC (Gulf Cooperation Council) oriented against Iran; challenging us in Iraq, in Pakistan, in Afghanistan, in Lebanon, in Syria and building infrastructure inside Iran.”

When I travelled to Riyadh a few weeks ago, I found that Iranian suspicions of Saudi interference are more than reciprocated, with a litany of complaints about Iranian activism in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Bahrain.

This geopolitical struggle shows the extent to which the dynamics of the region are now set within it. The United States is no longer the main definer of order but rather a resource that Iran and Saudi can use in their struggle against one another – with Saudis encouraging the United States to conduct military strikes in Syria, while some in Tehran may secretly be hoping for them in Iraq.

The U.S. invasion of Iraq set off a chain of events that are dissolving the post-World War I order of the Middle East that the United States has guaranteed in the post-colonial era. In its place we are seeing a resurgence of sectarian identities that were subordinated to nationalism during the mandates in the colonial period and by autocratic governments during the Cold War. If you want to see these in action, you could do worse than travel to Qom, Iran, the Shiite religious center.

Within a stone’s throw of the Fatima Masumeh shrine and the famous seminary is a street full of Arab shops, houses and conveniences. “It is like a China Town,” said a young resident of Qom, “only it is filled with Arabs.” The “Arab street,” as it is known locally, is a haven for Shiites from the Arab world. It is also a reminder of Iran’s regional role and aspirations — Qom has long been the spiritual capital of global Shiism — aspirations that have led Tehran to offer to defend Shia shrines in Najaf, Samarra, Karbala and Damascus.

After years of relentlessly bad news from the frontlines in Syria, there is now talk that the warring factions of the Middle East might be drawn together in a new concert to keep order in a most unlikely place: Iraq. Is it possible that the battlefield that divided the world during the George W. Bush era could bring bitter enemies together under President Barack Obama?

The rise to prominence of the radical Sunni force, the Islamic State in Iraq the Levant, is probably the only thing that Saudis, Iranians, Americans and Europeans are equally worried about. While it’s true that the Saudis have at least turned a blind eye to the funding of the militant Islamist organization, the group is committed to overthrowing the House of Saud, Saudi Arabia’s royal family.

Last week, the influential journalist David Ignatius invoked former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger to talk about a new concert of powers in the Middle East along the lines of the one drawn up after the Napoleonic Wars in Europe. The key then, as now, is reconciling both rising and established powers.

When I asked Kayhan Barzegar, director of the Institute for Middle East Strategic Studies in Tehran, the same question, he also saw prospects for an eventual grand bargain. “Iran would be willing to cooperate on a battle against extremism as a broader agenda in the Middle East region including Syria.” In fact, he claimed that Tehran would be careful not to get involved in too visible a partnership with the United States on Iraq because “such bilateral cooperation with the U.S. will surely alienate Saudi Arabia and the Sunni world, killing any chance of regional cooperation.”

In a post-American Middle East, this kind of concert of powers is the only way to stop the bloodshed. But my instinct — after talks with Iranians and Saudis over the last few months — is that the prospects for a grand bargain are some way off. Although both sides are frightened of an uncontrolled escalation, they have both gained power and prestige from a Middle East split along sectarian lines. Neither side is yet exhausted by the proxy wars or satisfied with the current balance of power. The potential rewards still outweigh the risks of the struggle, particularly for Saudi Arabia, which sees the conflicts as a means of reversing Iranian hegemony in Syria and Iraq.

However, although the Iraqi crisis will not salve relations between Riyadh and Tehran, it does offer an opportunity for a further step toward détente with the West.

In the end, the success or failure of a nuclear deal with Iran will determine whether this is possible, but there are genuine reasons for optimism. Part of the reason is fatigue with biting financial sanctions. Part of it is the overlap of strategic interests in Iraq. Part of it is domestic change in Iran: more than 70 per cent of the Iranian population was not born when the 1979 revolution took place.

“The paradox of the religious revolution,” argues Tehran University’s Hadian, “is that it has created the most secular society in the region. The new generation in Iran is secular, pragmatic, and more open to the West.”

But, of course, the biggest driver for Tehran’s engagement with Washington is America’s desire to disengage from the region, hardly an open invitation for the United States to linger.

Can you please provide the link to the original article?

As far as a "grand bargain" with Iran, I doubt it's possible. Iran's idea of a grand bargain is, "you help us with ISIS, and in return, we continue with our nuclear weapons program, funding and arming of Hezbollah, and asserting hegemony over Iraq." Some bargain. It's unclear what the US gets out of such a bargain, let alone an apology for their embassy hostage taking or the 1982 barracks bombing in Beirut.

The bit about changes in Iran's society provides some cause for hope, however. Iran and the US were allied before the Ayatollahs, and perhaps we can be friendly again, someday. But it's difficult to see how trust is possible so long as the nuclear enrichment work continues.
 
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decline of U.S influence on what Iran or the world?
I didn't know having 10+ carriers and being able to send them to the Persian gulf in less than two weeks was a sign of weakness.


In less than 5 minutes all of those carriers will go under water. Us knows.

When will u get lost from other countries especially Muslims and Asian countries? U created Al Qaeda, as well Taliban. U created war in Syria and created ISIS terrorists. U support Israhell to kill Palestinian people and kids. Fuk off from other countries and Persian Gulf and stick to your Indian America country.

On toppic: If they become friend of Iran they will loose their power in Saudi arabia, The GCC bother Iran and supply America, Britannia interests which is against Muslims.
 
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Not anytime soon, when the oil from the ME runs out maybe.

LOL


The United States' energy self-sufficiency dream will become a reality by 2020, according to Rex Tillerson, CEO of the world's largest publicly traded oil company Exxon Mobil.

"I think it is realistic that the U.S. could be energy self-sufficient by the end of this decade," Tillerson told CNBC on Thursday. "We're already the world's largest natural gas producer (and)last year crude oil production surpassed levels not seen since the 1980s," he said.

The U.S. is expected to surpass Saudi Arabia to become the world's top oil producer by 2016, the International Energy Agency (IEA) predicted in November, driven by a boom in the nation's shale oil output.

In October 2013, U.S. domestic crude oil production exceeded imports for the first time in almost two decades, according to the Energy Information Administration (EIA).

China's huge shale opportunity

According to Tillerson, China's shale reserves could be even bigger than those in the U.S., but complicated underground geology presents challenges.

"By every geological assessment that I've ever seen, they are larger than the U.S. However there are a number of attributes in China's shale gas reserves that make them particularly challenging," he said.

"Most of these formations are buried much deeper than they are in America. Many of them are in remote areas where there isn't infrastructure to support their development and some in areas where there isn't a lot of water available," he added. Shale gas is extracted by a high-volume hydraulicfracturing (fracking) process that requires large volumes of water.

There is no doubt that China will develop a portion of its shale gas reserves, but how much of the large endowment will be developed is difficult to judge, said Tillerson.

Exxon Mobil has partnered with a domestic state oil firm to study to test shale potential in China. However, Tillerson says the company is in the early stages of evaluation.

"Various companies are working with Chinese national oil companies to understand how productive these shale resources will be, what kind of cost would be required to develop them and what kind of infrastructure build out is going to be required,"he said.

"So it's really a question of pace, and I think it's going to be smaller at the front, and when some of these questions are answered, I think the pace will pick up quite rapidly," he added.

—By CNBC's Ansuya Harjani. Follow her on Twitter: @Ansuya_H
 
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I think you are overestimating influence of US with Saudi Arab. Saudi may depend on US for technology and investment, but you have to remember that by the time US will be weaker, SA might have been grown up with its stature in the world...So they are basically buying time to make themselves stronger to a point when they can be independent.
 
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Iran has a long and glorious past. It's future lies with the civilized nations in the region (Turkey, Central Asia, Caucasus) and of the rest of the world not with brainless desert barbarian bedouins
 
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