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Dear chinese and the other friends.

Southeast Asian Sea does not belong to China.
Southeast Asian sea belongs to Southeast Asian countries.
China go away. Let Southeast Asian countries seat together and discuss their sea and islands.

I believe all the countries that have a stake in South China Sea should sit down together and work things out instead of fighting each other. I believe that all the countries should cease to hunt and drill for oil in any dispute area until the differences are iron out.
 
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通过刺激越南普通人的情绪,使其产生对中国的怨恨。当怨恨累积起来到一定程度,越南人自然会开第一炮。
到时候中国就可以有理有据的发动对越战争。
这才是我们所需要的。
越南这个国家,畏威不怀德。可灭矣

Bro,quarrel with arrogant dwarf is quite empty of meaning
 
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Red word : This is how China often use to solve problem.

How brazen you are?:disagree:

like it or not thats how the world works go and hide and pretend the world is a wonderful place if you want but as a nation that will get you no where
 
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Chinese tried to post many things: their power, said dirty about other nations ... but they avoid one thing:

The true: Vietnam controlled these Islands in latest 300 years.
China invaded Paracel in 1974. They have no legal document and used force to invade.
Another true is Vietnam didn't make any action that bring problem more tensioned. Chinese did.

Paracel and Spratly belong to Vietnam. It's unchanged true.

But at this moment, follow DOC we don't do any action near Paracel and Spartly because we try dialogue.

Assumption that China can claim Paracel and Spratly, she can't claim total 200 miles from those Island. Because EEZ of Paracel and Spratly is cross-section with Vietnam EEZ. Normally, It's get center line from Island to Land to separate EEZ.

And now Vietnam only harvest our oil at point in our EEZ from our land (beach) to the center line. It's totally own. Please see the map.
How far from the position that China threat our ship to Paracel and Spratly? how far to Vietnam land and China land?
Everything is clear but brainwasher Chinese in the forum still try to say lie.
They said lie that Vietname threaten China. They said lie that Vietnam want war. They said lie that Vietnam dispute China and more...
And they've been proud to be liar.

11222594-bando1.jpg
 
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Chinese said that her have continued' record about SCS, but the record only Merchant' traveler diary, It' not legal document.
The true, they want to hide is in Chinese official documents only are written that Chinese Territory end at Hainan.



They say a picture is worth a thousand words. In this case, it means a country's right to its land that has been invaded by a foreign country.

Please visit these links to see that these ancient maps of Vietnam and China, drawn by Chinese, VIetnamese, and Westerners all indicate that the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos were never a part of China, but in fact were part of VIetnam. As for China, its southernmost boundaries went as far as....Hainan.

Paracel and Spratly Islands Forum: Map of the Great Empire of An Nam (1838)

Paracel and Spratly Islands Forum: Where is the southern most border of China?

Paracel and Spratly Islands Forum: Old maps of Vietnam and Paracel Islands drawn by Westerners

Paracel and Spratly Islands Forum: Old Map of Vietnam + Paracel (1827)

Paracel and Spratly Islands Forum: Old Vietnam Maps drawn by Vietnamese
 
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Chinese tried to post many things: their power, said dirty about other nations ... but they avoid one thing:

The true: Vietnam controlled these Islands in latest 300 years.
China invaded Paracel in 1974. They have no legal document and used force to invade.
Another true is Vietnam didn't make any action that bring problem more tensioned. Chinese did.

Paracel and Spratly belong to Vietnam. It's unchanged true.

But at this moment, follow DOC we don't do any action near Paracel and Spartly because we try dialogue.

Assumption that China can claim Paracel and Spratly, she can't claim total 200 miles from those Island. Because EEZ of Paracel and Spratly is cross-section with Vietnam EEZ. Normally, It's get center line from Island to Land to separate EEZ.

And now Vietnam only harvest our oil at point in our EEZ from our land (beach) to the center line. It's totally own. Please see the map.
How far from the position that China threat our ship to Paracel and Spratly? how far to Vietnam land and China land?
Everything is clear but brainwasher Chinese in the forum still try to say lie.
They said lie that Vietname threaten China. They said lie that Vietnam want war. They said lie that Vietnam dispute China and more...
And they've been proud to be liar.

11222594-bando1.jpg

I already post this in another thread, just in case u didn't read it, i post it again.

This is a summary from an article I found about south china sea.
U should read article 15 of the 1982 UNCLOS.
Article 15
Delimitation of the territorial sea between Stateswith opposite or adjacent coasts
Where the coasts of two States are opposite or adjacent to each other,neither of the two States is entitled, failing agreement between them to thecontrary, to extend its territorial sea beyond the median line every point of which is equidistant from the nearest points on the baselines from which thebreadth of the territorial seas of each of the two States is measured. Theabove provision does not apply, however, where it is necessary by reason of historic title or other special circumstances to delimit the territorial seas of thetwo States in a way which is at variance therewith.

The term historic rights denotes the possession by a state, over certain land or maritime areas, of right that would not have been acquired by that state through a process of historical consolidation. The concept of historic waters rests upon customary law, it was not dealt with in either the 1958 territorial sea convention or the 1982 UNCLOS.

Three factors that required for a state to successfully assert a claim to historic waters:
1. State which claim historic title should exercise sovereignty in the waters
2. The exercise of sovereignty should have been continuous for a long time and should have become the usage
3. It should be tolerated by other states.

China when established the eleven dots(1947),nine dots(1953), didn't receive any dissents from international society at that time, these amounted to acquiescence. China also have the document which vietnam government agreed about china territory(1958).
 
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Any proof????

and reality is the " made in vietnam" is the one that is never owned by u poorest viets, they r all owned by Chinese investments, Chinese Taiwan investment, Chinese hongkong . Japanese, Korean company,

and even inside vietnam, ur economy is dominant by Chinese Vietnamese, Chinese are richest in vietnam and control most of vietnamese wealth, and you jin viets are too retarded to develop economy, science,tech,,, everything
 
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Vietnamese agression or Chinese agression?? Let the third person judges it.

Senator Webb: China’s Repeated Use of Force in South China Sea a “Grave Concern”


Will introduce Senate Resolution Monday

June 10, 2011

Senator Jim Webb, chair of the Senate Foreign Relations East Asian and Pacific Affairs Subcommittee, today expressed “grave concerns” over the repeated use of force by China to assert maritime territorial claims in the South China Sea.

“Officials at the Department of State and U.S. Pacific Command have indicated that on June 9 three Chinese maritime security vessels ran into and disabled the cables of a Vietnamese exploration ship, the Viking 2, in an area within 200 nautical miles of Vietnam’s continental shelf,” said Senator Webb. “This followed similar incidents on May 26 near Vietnam and in March near the Philippines, as well as incidents at sea last year in the Senkaku Islands, which are under the Administration of Japan.

“China’s pattern of intimidation is a grave concern. The U.S. has a clear strategic interest in facilitating a multilateral, peaceful approach toward resolving these disputes and ensuring open access for commerce and adherence to international law.”

Senator Webb will introduce a Senate resolution on Monday condemning the use of force by China in the South China Sea and calling for a peaceful, multilateral resolution to maritime territorial disputes in Southeast Asia. Senator Webb has expressed concerns over sovereignty issues in this region for more than fifteen years in and out of office. His first hearing upon assuming chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations East Asian and Pacific Affairs Subcommittee was on maritime territorial disputes and sovereignty issues in Asia in July 2009.

webb.senate.gov/newsroom/pressreleases/06-10-2011-01.cfm
 
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Thanks you for re-post and sorry for missed your post.
I happy if some Chinese known about UNCLOS. Now, Lets us study who are right?

Three factors that required for a state to successfully assert a claim to historic waters:
1. State which claim historic title should exercise sovereignty in the waters
What is exercise sovereignty? It's action that to control and manage by Government.
Vietnam have enough evidenced that from 300 years ago, we continues have action to manage Paracel (Hoàng Sa) until China invaded by their Military in 1979 (illegally action).
For Spraty, we are the first one occupied and keep it until today. In 1979, 1986, China started to invade some Island in Spraty. However we can not claim all islands in Spraty but Almost.
China, as you said, only start to claim from 1947 and 1953. And don't have any exercise until 1974 for Paracel and 1979/1986 for Spraty.

2. The exercise of sovereignty should have been continuous for a long time and should have become the usage
Yes, It's important. Vietnam have document to shown that from Nguyen Dynasty to France Colonized to Republic of Vietnam to Socialist Republic of Vietnam continuous claim and have action to managed like:
- Sent troop to managed an harvest resource.
- Occupation.
- Managed as a part of province.

And What China have. Like the map I shown in previous topic. China only have some document to prove they had been sent troop to discovery and measure those Island. It's not continuous. A lot of China official documents are written that China border end at Hainan.
China also don't have any usage action until 1974 when she invaded and occupied Paracel.

3. It should be tolerated by other states.
Yes, until 1947, no-one claim Vietnam's sovereignty of those Islands.

And Vietnam have strong evidence follow UNCLOS 1982 than China
I will back to your main point in next topic.

Vietnam official document to prove that Paracel and Spraty is a part of Quang Ngai Provice. Vietnam from 17th Century.
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I already post this in another thread, just in case u didn't read it, i post it again.

This is a summary from an article I found about south china sea.
U should read article 15 of the 1982 UNCLOS.
Article 15
Delimitation of the territorial sea between Stateswith opposite or adjacent coasts
Where the coasts of two States are opposite or adjacent to each other,neither of the two States is entitled, failing agreement between them to thecontrary, to extend its territorial sea beyond the median line every point of which is equidistant from the nearest points on the baselines from which thebreadth of the territorial seas of each of the two States is measured. Theabove provision does not apply, however, where it is necessary by reason of historic title or other special circumstances to delimit the territorial seas of thetwo States in a way which is at variance therewith.

The term historic rights denotes the possession by a state, over certain land or maritime areas, of right that would not have been acquired by that state through a process of historical consolidation. The concept of historic waters rests upon customary law, it was not dealt with in either the 1958 territorial sea convention or the 1982 UNCLOS.

Three factors that required for a state to successfully assert a claim to historic waters:
1. State which claim historic title should exercise sovereignty in the waters
2. The exercise of sovereignty should have been continuous for a long time and should have become the usage
3. It should be tolerated by other states.

China when established the eleven dots(1947),nine dots(1953), didn't receive any dissents from international society at that time, these amounted to acquiescence. China also have the document which vietnam government agreed about china territory(1958).
 
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Tao nóng mày dữ lắm rồi đó thằng chó. Mày thử đi, VN đào sẵn hố rồi đợi mày
 
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Vietnamese agression or Chinese agression?? Let the third person judges it.

China was making a solution to counter against the provocative act.

You drilled the oil in the disputed territorial waters was definitely a provocative act.
 
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đít ku nói với chúng nó nữa anh em ơi, cái gì đã nói thì đã nói hết rồi, chúng nó cố tình kích động để chuyện nọ sọ chuyện kia
 
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China was making a solution to counter against the provocative act.

You drilled the oil in the disputed territorial waters was definitely a provocative act.

you have to give up the red line, you accept the blue line

because, the red line is too ridiculous

then we exploitation together in peace

If you disagree, why do not we go to international court

if what you say is true, why do not we go to international court

you are too greedy, and unjustifiable
 
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you have to give up the red line, you accept the blue line

because, the red line is too ridiculous

then we exploitation together in peace

If you disagree, why do not we go to international court

We both can set down our red line if there are true willing of corporation together.
 
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Now your main point here.

Do you know the situation at this time?

From 1945, after WWII, France back to Vietnam. And for International, Vietnam still the colonized country until Frank Control. And Paracel and Spraty had been under control of France colonized until 1954.

After Dien Bien Phu battle, follow Paris Agreement 1954, Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV) controlled North of Vietnam and France controlled South of Vietnam after that France handover South of Vietnam to Republic of Vietnam (RP). RP under supported of American was accepted by Union Nation.

At this moment there were two Governments in Vietnam. And RP was the one who managed Spraty and Paracel. And RP always tolerated any claim of China and bring they ship to occupy Paracel and Spraty. (Remember RP is a Gov accpeted by Union Nation).

The letter of Phan Van Dong (1958) don't said clealy that he accepted China to managed those Island. It's letter and not have value like agreement or contract. Even It's true, DRV is not the Gov who managed those Island at the moment, it was illegal document.

After Vietnam united, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam always tolerate China claim.

And follow UNCLOS, any time in history, the Government of Vietnam who managed Paracel and Spraty always tolerate China claim.

Combine last and this post you can see China is only robber who invade Paracel Island from Vietnam.

China when established the eleven dots(1947),nine dots(1953), didn't receive any dissents from international society at that time, these amounted to acquiescence. China also have the document which vietnam government agreed about china territory(1958).
 
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