David Cameron appeals to Saudi king not to withdraw ambassador

[Luffy 500]

I do not see anything wrong with the UN deceleration of human rights . It is a goo thing.

UK may well ditch it themselves and replace it with UK charter of rights. You are right that UK like many western countries have used it to harass other countries but by and large the barometers set by the UN is applied in legal cases in the UK.

UNDHR is fundamentally contrary to islam. Whether its women's rights, gender equality, sexuality, family issues of marriage / divorce, freedom of speech, freedom of religion etc etc. Its because UNDHR is based on western liberal principles of individualism and secularism. Notions of society being made up of atomised individuals with no obligation to family or society and is totally free and such individuals r completely rational . Or notions such as religion is man-made anyway and there should be a separation of religion & state. These notions r completely alien and contrary to islam.

UNDHR is the reason why u here western countries asking muslim states to reform as per their standards. They literally ask muslim lands to even ban islamic family law. Different social development index are based on western parameters of measuring human rights. So essentially no developing state can go to the level of developed western countries in terms of "human development" unless they totally adopt western culture and values , in other words muslim lands have to practically abandon islam to comply with UNDHR. "Developed " S.Korea recently legalized adultery gaining praise from human rights commissions.

islamic scholars through out the world have always opposed UNDHR. Its cultural imperialism.

Btw i don't care what UK does in their land. secularism & liberalism is something that originated in europe due to their tussle with a paganised intolerant christianity. Its unique to western socio-cultural and political development and nothing to do with the rest of the world let alone the muslim world. They should mind their own business and should not poke nose in muslim lands.

 

[mb444]

UNDHR is fundamentally contrary to islam. Whether its women's rights, gender equality, sexuality, family issues of marriage / divorce, freedom of speech, freedom of religion etc etc. Its because UNDHR is based on western liberal principles of individualism and secularism. Notions of society being made up of atomised individuals with no obligation to family or society and is totally free and such individuals r completely rational . Or notions such as religion is man-made anyway and there should be a separation of religion & state. These notions r completely alien and contrary to islam.

UNDHR is the reason why u here western countries asking muslim states to reform as per their standards. They literally ask muslim lands to even ban islamic family law. The HDI index is based on western parameters of measuring human rights. So essentially no developing state can go to the level of developed western countries in HDI index , unless they totally adopt western culture and values of right & wrong , in other words muslim practically abondan islam to comply with UNDHR. "Developed " S.Korea recently legalized adultery gaining praise from human rights commissions.

islamic scholars through out the world have always opposed UNDHR. Its cultural imperialism.

Btw i don't care what UK does in their land. secularism & liberalism is something that originated in europe due to their tussle with a paganised intolerant christianity. Its unique to western socio-cultural and political development and nothing to do with the rest of the world let alone the muslim world. They should mind their own business and don't poke nose in muslim lands.

I understand your perspective and respect your right to have it. However I disagree with you.

All I would say is that Libertarian or secular ideology are not alien concepts within Islamic discourse. They are not exactly the same but they are not that far apart.

 

[Hussein]

All countries should kick out the British. Biggest Dicks in history.

right now , it is more France playing with saudis the worst ennemy
but it doesn't change fact that our country is going to do lot of business with the companies, some of them i know being clearly anti Iranian . like for the saudis when i hear some leaders of companies they have a big laugh on saudis : they sell them as much as possible expensive things. they'll do the same in Iran.

we are definitively acting like slaves, saudis or iranians.
UK or USA at least have a good business mind. they are more liberal and competitors when French only care about cheating and make money easy.

 

[Luffy 500]

I understand your perspective and respect your right to have it. However I disagree with you.

All I would say is that Libertarian or secular ideology are not alien concepts within Islamic discourse. They are not exactly the same but they are not that far apart.

Brother is not just a case of respecting my views. U should study and see for yourself. As a muslim its vital for u. Think abt it. Islam has its own world view separate from all other isms.

 

[Meengla]

That "BAM" came because after a century of Anglo-French assistance to keep the dying Ottoman Empire on life support in the face of continuous Russian onslaught,the Ottomans had the bright ideea to allign themselves with Germany in WW1.For that,just like the Habsburgs,they paid the price and their empires were dismantled.

if true then a lot of info in a few words. thx

 

[mb444]

Brother is not just a case of respecting my views. U should study and see for yourself. As a muslim its vital for u. Think abt it. Islam has its own world view separate from all other isms.

You make a valid point and your advise is a sagacious one which I will take on board and act on.