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[Archie]

I felt the same and the reason is idf.

a lot of it has to do with increasing amount of trolling on the pages of this forum

thats mainly due to the invasion of Peoples Liberation Trolling Army , whose aim is to divert every topic to poverty and toilets , and they will continue to do so even 10-15 yrs from now , when the stats which they like to quote would be 20 yrs old and Indian economy would be around 6 Trillion USD

Do u know that one poster even sugested renaming this forum from Pakistandefenceforum to Sinotrollforum

 

[kingdurgaking]

MMRCA Benchmarking Complete By IAF, Lowest Bidder In 5-6 Weeks

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Within a month or two .. curtains will be down for this thread... After hectic discussion for years.. let this thread R.I.P

 

[SpArK]

So another months waiting before the results.. Great news!

 

[SpArK]

Package, not just bid price, to decide $10.4-bn dogfight winner
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New Delhi: With commercial bids for the country’s $10.4-billion order for 126 multi-role combat jets likely to be opened by this month end, the stage is set for a showdown between two multi-role European fighters as both try to prove economically-efficient option by including offers like the lifecycle and maintenance costs.

Both the aircraft — Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault’s Rafale — are being deployed in policing the no-fly zone over Libya and both are seeking export sales to compensate for defence-spending cuts at home. However, the declaration of the successful bidder will take a while. According to the outgoing IAF chief, Air chief marshal PV Naik, “Once the commercial bids are opened, the final decision would still take a couple of months as it is not just the price but the package in terms of direct costs, support programmes, training, offsets and lifecycle costs which would determine the winner.”

It may be noted that according to industry insiders, Rafale had quoted a price of $85 million per aircraft and Eurofighter $100 million per piece in flyaway condition in the recent Brazilian competition. For the Indian Air Force (IAF), the Rafale and Eurofighter quote is anybody’s guess, but according to the the industry the machines should cost anywhere between $75 million and $80 million per aircraft in flyaway condition.

The IAF will arrive at a final cost for the two aircraft based on various other factors like the lifecycle cost, maintenance cost, transfer of technology and cost of spare parts. Also, 50% of the total cost of the deal has to be invested in the Indian industry under the offsets obligation.



The two contenders have a long competitive history. France had pulled out of the early stages of the Eurofighter project 30 years ago and opted to build its own fighter plane, the Rafale, as a successor to the Mirage. Presently, Rafale is still looking for its first foreign customer, while the Eurofighter programme is facing various cutbacks home.

According to Eurofighter officials, 280 Typhoons have already been delivered out of the 707 on contract to Germany, Italy, Spain, the UK, Austria and Saudi Arabia. Asked if Eurofighter is willing to “give away” its unique selling \propositions, including source codes of radars and design, for the “sake of 126 units”, the consortium said it would not be an issue if India becomes a partner of the Eurofighter programme.



Rafale so far has sold just 180 aircraft to its own French air force at a cost of 142.3 million euros each, including material costs, investments made and the variables. The French Court of Auditors Annual Public Report 2010 has pointed out that the French air force had initially placed an order for 320 aircraft, but the defence ministry downsized it to 280. Sources in the Indian government said, “The European consortium, to give an edge to its offer, has invited India to become a partner for the Typhoon programme and also offered to establish a production line in India. The Rafale has the advantage of being logistically and operationally similar to the Mirage 2000, which the IAF is presently operating. The Rafale’s inclusion would require fewer changes in the existing infrastructure.”

According to the French audit report, in early 2000, sharp rise in material costs had created a cash crisis for the Rafale programme. Also, with no foreign buyers the price tag per piece of the aircraft is likely to go up. On the other hand, Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK, which partner the development and production of the Eurofighter Typhoon, are willing to put “everything on the table” under the technology transfer commitments if they win the contract to supply these aircraft to the IAF.


Package, not just bid price, to decide $10.4-bn dogfight winner

 

[sancho]

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Not sure about that, because until the winner will be inducted into the fleet, there will be still discussions about the capabilities and advantages that the fighter finally will have for IAF and not to mention that some people will start comparing it to PAF and PLAAF fighters directly. But I do think that the attention will divert to FGFA then, because that is the next main project and by then we might get more infos about it as well.

 

[kingdurgaking]

Not sure about that, because until the winner will be inducted into the fleet, there will be still discussions about the capabilities and advantages that the fighter finally will have for IAF and not to mention that some people will start comparing it to PAF and PLAAF fighters directly. But I do think that the attention will divert to FGFA then, because that is the next main project and by then we might get more infos about it as well.

Yeah one vs thread might run for some 100 pages... Any way the result will be F-16 or J-10 will kick EFT or Rafale a$$

 

[marcos98]

This is the single-most awesome take-off ever by any aircraft.
Damn these french are crazy.

 

[praveen007]

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[DkBose]

my heart says typhoon will win but i want rafale

 

[SpArK]

This is the single-most awesome take-off ever by any aircraft.
Damn these french are crazy.

Damn good video... and they still say EFT is more maneuverable.

 

[Jon Snow]

Winner of combat aircraft deal likely in 5-6 weeks: Naik -  

Winner of combat aircraft deal likely in 5-6 weeks: Naik


New Delhi, Jul 26 (PTI) Air Chief Marshal P V Naik today said the likely winner of the multi-billion dollar combat aircraft deal would be known in the "next five to six" weeks.

"The next step is to call vendors and open up the commercial bids. I think in the next five to six weeks, I expect that the L1 (lowest bidder) would be decided," he said here.

As per the Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP), the lowest bidder in the multi vendor tenders is considered to be the winner of the deals.

European consortium Eurofighter Typhoon and the French Dassault Rafale are the two companies in race for supplying 126 Medium-Multirole Combat Aircraft (M-MRCA) to the Indian Air Force.

The two companies were shortlisted after a five-year long competition between six companies including the American Boeing and Lockheed Martin, Russian MiG 35 and Swedish Saab Gripen.

The IAF chief said that major procedures such as the completion of the Technical Offsets Evaluation Committee report have been finalised.

Commenting on the Mirage 2000 aircraft upgrade programme, Naik said the deal worth over Rs 10,900 crore would be signed soon under which 51 aircraft would be upgraded.

The Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) had recently cleared the proposal for upgrading 51 aircraft to the Mirage 2000-5 standards in collaboration with France.

On the results for procuring heavy-lift and attack helicopters, the IAF chief said the trials have been completed by the force and the trial report would be submitted to the Defence Ministry soon.

 

[Jon Snow]

so does it mean that offsets have been finalized for both???

 

[luckyyy]

MMRCA Benchmarking Complete By IAF, Lowest Bidder In 5-6 Weeks

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like the technical peremeters , is there a banchmark for the price too , or the IAF/MoD /FM will go ahead and buy at whatever price quotes in the L1 bid ...i mean if say will they just buy the L1 bid or there is a banchmark/limit on the maximum price they are to buy..

 

[luckyyy]

a lot of it has to do with increasing amount of trolling on the pages of this forum

you think indian members now had enough of it and they slowly moving away to waste their spare time on some other ways ..

 

[sancho]

Damn good video... and they still say EFT is more maneuverable.

More importantly, that the Rafale lacks thrust.