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[SpArK]

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[SQ8]

Come Friday.. which is expected to have the better offer??

This

OR THIS

 

[King123]

I think most likely we will Buy Rafale. I don't find major difference in both. Both are best. Both are providing AESA Radar and all possible features.

 

[Birbal]

I'm hoping Rafale. Biggest reason being looks.

Of course, I do think the Rafale is the better choice, given that it is manufactured by one company, making supplies easier, and it's likely going to be somewhat cheaper. Furthermore, it'll have significant commonality with the Mirage-2000 that India has.

In terms of electronics, from what little information is available, the two are pretty evenly matched, with EFT having the better sensors and Rafale having the better EW capabilities.

Raw performance is practically identical, with the EFT slightly more optimized for high altitude high performance, and the Rafale more optimized for low altitude low speed performance.

 

[Bagee]

Just shows how desperate they are, it must be a slap in the face of their own workers! However, the reduction of the production rate is also confirming, that the partners don't plan with a follow order of T3Bs anymore and will cancel the orders, just like Italy did already. It's either India or Japan, or no future for the EF at all!

that only time will tell and let tell u if this deals go we will see the largest no. of fighters sold in the next decade to be EFT and yes what u said implies for Rafael as well at least EFT has been bought by some and KSA plans to buy more but poor Rafael being such a capable fighter has not found a buyer yet statement apart don't say Brazil will buy it only time will tell ironic isn't it both have to win i guess more desperate situation for Rafael it seems ...........

 

[sancho]

Come Friday.. which is expected to have the better offer??

Nobody can tell you that, because not the price alone will be important, but the offer as a whole! It is expected that the Rafale is cheaper per unit and to operate, so might be L1 in this field, but that doesn't meant their offer is the best. If the EF consortium offers much ToT, industrial and political advantages to counter the higher costs, their total offer could turn out to be more worth it and since MMRCA is not a normal fighter replacement, it will be the best package that makes the difference!

that only time will tell and let tell u if this deals go we will see the largest no. of fighters sold in the next decade to be EFT and yes what u said implies for Rafael as well at least EFT has been bought by some and KSA plans to buy more but poor Rafael being such a capable fighter has not found a buyer yet statement apart don't say Brazil will buy it only time will tell ironic isn't it both have to win i guess more desperate situation for Rafael it seems ...........

We don't need time to understand how desperate the EF consortium is, just look at the current situation of the fighter, the further developments and the orders of the EF partners and the situation is more than clear!

EF is clearly less capable than the Rafale, because the EF partners don't commit themselfs to upgrade it, like France does. They simply haven't the money to do it now, because of the financial crisis and big defence budget cuts, not to mention that they have other commitments like the F35 and are switching to UAV developments at the moment, which makes follow orders of EF not needed.
All this makes clear why they are badly searching not only for a normal export order, but for a new partner country, that could take over some of the fundings to upgrade EF and make it more useful or interesting for other export customers. That's why they extended the productionline for 2 more years, with the hope that India, or Japan would join.

Dassault on the other hand can be pretty cool at the moment! France is constantly funding further developments and ordering more fighters, with the productionline to be busy beyond 2020 only for the French orders.
UAE is close to be the first export customer, with 60 fighters and it's not a competition, but a single fighter evaluation, which makes it much easier.
Swiss evaluated all 3 Eurocanards and found out that Rafale is the best fighter, is cheaper than EF per unit and to operate + offers good side advantages. Since they currently have an advantage of their currency over the EURO, they even pushing forward to a decision as soon as possible and a deal for up to 22 Rafales is in sight as well.
In Brazil the former President and Defence minister, as well as the current officials openly stated that the Rafale is the prefered fighter, with the only problem that it is also the most expensive in that competition and Brazil is cutting the defence budget as well.

So these prospects alone makes clear, that Dassault is not as desperate as the EF consortium, because even if they have no export customer yet, the future looks way, way brighter for them than for he EF at the moment!

For India that means, choosing Rafale means choosing the best suiting fighter for IAF (and IN), the cheapest option and the one with the better future potential, all they now have to offer to seal the deal is a good industrial package!

 

[desimorty]

who ever offers ToT of engines and AESA radars, more importantly the engines.

 

[sancho]

who ever offers ToT of engines and AESA radars, more importantly the engines.

Both offers this, that's one advantage that we shortlisted these 2, the interesting part will be who offers more and under which conditions.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

Both offers this, that's one advantage that we shortlisted these 2, the interesting part will be who offers more and under which conditions.

Well dosent the RDY-2 operate with Gallium Arsenide instead of the latest Gallium nitride in their AESA Radars? Will this be some kind of obstruction to the Rafale and give the EFT a chance?

 

[acetophenol]

will w know the winner on friday?

 

[Thundersword]

will w know the winner on friday?

I don't think so..... NAK said bids to be opened in the third week.......

 

[Paan Singh]

i think this contract will take another year to be finalize

 

[Thundersword]

i think this contract will take another year to be finalize

nope it's before december or never..... remember the bids will expire in december????............

 

[SpArK]

Today the the Defence acquisition council headed by defence minister AK Antony will finally sit down to clear the last hurdle before the bids are opened.

After much delay and anxiety in the MMRCA deal, if all goes well tomorrow and companies make past the final hurdle India will be close to one step closer to history in the making.

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[SpArK]

Post govt nod, Typhoon, Rafale lock target on mega deal

New Delhi: India moved one step ahead towards finalising the M-MRCA deal with the Defence Ministry today paving the way for opening the commercial bids of two shortlisted vendors by approving their offset proposals.

After the bids are opened, the Defence Ministry will be able to determine the lowest bidder in the deal for 126 Medium-Multi Role Combat Aircraft (M-MRCA) and decide who will ultimately get the contract described as the ‘mother of all deals’.

At a meeting chaired by Defence Minister A K Antony, the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) cleared the offset evaluation report of Dassault Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon, the two remaining contenders, Defence Ministry officials said in New Delhi.


All the spade work for the opening of bids have been completed. Opening of the bids will be done in a few days in the presence of the two vendors,” they said.

As per the offset clause, foreign vendors bagging deals worth over Rs 300 crore are supposed to invest back 30 percent of the worth of the contract in Indian defence industry.

In M-MRCA, the vendors will have to invest 50 percent of the worth of the deal.

“No date has been specified for opening of the bids but it will happen soon,” the officials said.

The offset proposals of the two companies were tabled before the DAC by Director General (Acquisition) Vivek Rae.

Besides the Defence Minister, the two-hour meeting was attended by the three Service chiefs, the Defence Secretary, the Secretarym, Defence Production, the DG (Acquisition) and concerned joint secretaries in the Ministry.

After the bids are opened to evaluate the lowest bidder, the proposal will move to the Finance Ministry for its approval and it will then go to the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) for final nod by the government.


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