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[sancho]

Well dosent the RDY-2 operate with Gallium Arsenide instead of the latest Gallium nitride in their AESA Radars? Will this be some kind of obstruction to the Rafale and give the EFT a chance?

RDY 2 is the radar of the upgraded Mirage 2000-5, the Rafale currently uses the RBE 2 PESA and the version offered in MMRCA will have the RBE 2 AESA radar. No AESA radar today uses GaN modules and the Europeans has joint developments in that area, but lead by EADS (inluding the French part) and Thales. It is expected that the first operational GaN modules will be integrated into SPECTRA and later into RBE 2 AESA. The Eurofighter will get GaN modules in future too, but since not even the current radar is in a proper development stage, this can take quiet some time!
So in MMRCA this won't play a big role, other than the future potential with GaN modules looks brighter for Rafale, since it's more likely to get that tech and get is earlier than EF, just like the AESA radar in general.

 

[drunken-monke]

Just heard ACM Browne, the final Bids for the MMRCA would be opened in 10 days in his speech on the occasion of 79th Anniversary of IAF. This comes to a signficant declaration in the process. He also said the final phase of the project would be completed on fast track. As I am writing this post, he is still delivering his speech..

 

[ramu]

Just heard ACM Browne, the final Bids for the MMRCA would be opened in 10 days in his speech on the occasion of 79th Anniversary of IAF. This comes to a signficant declaration in the process. He also said the final phase of the project would be completed on fast track. As I am writing this post, he is still delivering his speech..

Can you give a link please ? In which channel ???

 

[angeldemon_007]

StratPost

 

[jha]

MMRCA Bids Open 10 Days From Now: IAF Chief

 

[kanpur]

tumko dekh kar din bada acha nikalta hai yaar jha sahab.

 

[SpArK]

IAF to seal combat plane deal in November


Hindon (Ghaziabad): The winner of India's $10.4-billion tender for 126 combat aircraft is expected to be announced in November, Indian Air Force (IAF) chief Air Chief Marshal Norman Anil Kumar Browne said Saturday.

Browne's assertion comes a day after the acquisition council led by Defence Minister A.K. Antony gave its go-ahead for the opening of commercial bids from European consortium EADS Cassidian and French Dassault, after clearing the ministry's report on their offset proposals.

"In the middle of November, we shall be able to announce to the whole world which plane we have selected, the L1 vendor (lowest bidder)," Browne said in his interaction with reporters after he inspected the 79th Air Force Day parade here.

Earlier in his address to the air warriors, Browne said: "The process for acquisition of the MMRCA (Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft) is in its last lap and we should be able to open the bids in 10 days' time from now."

However, explaining the complexities involved in finalising the winner, the IAF chief said that after opening of the commercial bids, "complex calculations" would be done in a tabular format of the entire life-cycle cost, the acquisition cost and the technology transfer.

"It may take two to three weeks to calculate these," he added.


EADS Cassidian has offered its Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault its Rafale to the IAF, which is looking at inducting these aircraft from the beginning of 2015.

The two planes had been shortlisted in April this year after eliminating other competitors -- American Boeing's F/A-18, Lockheed Martin's F-16, Russian UAC's MiG-35 and Swedish Saab's Gripen -- through a rigorous technical and weapons evaluation process that lasted for over a year.

India had issued the tender for the 126 planes in August 2007 and has reached a stage of finalisation of the tender just over four years, a remarkable feat considering that it has as a norm taken over two decades for it to finalise deals for other defence equipment.

Manorama Online | IAF to seal combat plane deal in November

 

[jha]

Biggest defence deal proposal okayed

The defence ministry on Friday approved the offset proposals for India’s biggest defence deal to buy 126 fighter planes at an estimate price of Rs 42,000 crore ($ 10.4 billion) paving the way for opening the commercial bids around Diwali.

Two European fighters – French Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon – are in the fray after the first round of selection overtaking four other competitors including two US fighters. India wants to close the deal before March 31, 2012.

Indian Air Force chief N A K Browne, who attended Friday’s Defence Acquisition Council meeting, stated on Monday that the DAC meet is the last internal defence ministry meeting before the bids are opened by the third or fourth week of October.

Even though defence ministry officials are tight-lipped about the details of the DAC decisions, the panel headed by Defence Minister A K Antony is understood to have taken the final decision on the controversial offset issues associated with the medium multi-role combat aircraft deal

Together with Su-30 MKI, indigenous Light Combat Aircraft Tejas, Indo-Russian fifth generation fighter, the 126 MMRCA will be the mainstay of Indian Air Force in the coming decades.

The winning company is also likely to receive a follow-on order of 80 odd MMRCA.

 

[WHITESMOKE]

Biggest defence deal proposal okayed

Jha ji.. ab bhi F18?? hmmm???

 

[jha]

Jha ji.. ab bhi F18?? hmmm???

Last moment tak...These planes are very pricey..A repeat of Tanker Competition is very much possible...

 

[WHITESMOKE]

Last moment tak...These planes are very pricey..A repeat of Tanker Competition is very much possible...

F18 is nice.. par wo crucial ToT nai denge na...

 

[Abingdonboy]

Last moment tak...These planes are very pricey..A repeat of Tanker Competition is very much possible...

I don't think so, the publicity size and scale of MMRCA is on a whole different level. It was the stupid FM that caused the result of tanker (although it looks as if the A330 MRTT will win again and be delivered 3 years late for nothing!) but the MoD/IAF won't allow this, this time-all obstacles uptil now have been resolved by MoD.

Different worlds mate, no real comparison.

 

[sancho]

Last moment tak...These planes are very pricey..A repeat of Tanker Competition is very much possible...

Not possible, the tanker competition was badly made by IAF and not a very important deal from GoI point of view, since it is just a procurement to add some more aircrafts. MMRCA has a prime importance for our industry, possibly even with a strategic touch behind, which is why only those to vendors were shortlisted, that offers the most industrial advantages for India. The simple fact that the 2 most expensive fighters were shortlisted should tell you that money don't play a big role in this competition, as long as we get enough in return. If that wouldn't be the case, we would have seen other fighters beeing shortlisted as well and the forme Air Chief wouldn't have stated that not the unit cost is important, but a reasonable cost during the lifecycle. That statement alone showed that they are aiming for something expensive and not for the cheap fighters like Mig 35, or Gripen.
WRT the US fighters, the F16 never had a real chance since PAF uses it and they tried to combine it with F35 sales in the begining. The F18SH instead is not fitting to IAF requirements, since it is just a bomb truck with good electronincs, but way too less flight performance compared to the other fighters, not to mention that it is hardly a medium class fighter. But MoD/IAF made the right decision to reject both US fighters and withstand US political pressure, because we can't take these fighters with all the restrictions, performance limitations and the lack of industrial benefits, just because they are cheaper. This competition is simply not about the cheapest unit cost, but the cheapest package of capability of the fighter and industrial benefits!

 

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[SpArK]

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