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The Long Road to the MMRCA Shortlist

April 5, 2011
By Saurabh Joshi

The Indian Air Force (IAF) commander Air Chief Marshal Pradeep Vasant Naik had announced in February at Aero India 2011 in Bangalore that the shortlist for the 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender would be announced in the next few weeks. Then a few weeks back, he upped the pressure on the Ministry of Defense again, while addressing the Indian Women’s Press Corps. Indo-Asian News Service reported him as saying, “The cost negotiation for MMRCA will begin by the end of this month. I expect the contract to be signed before I retire from service in July this year.”

This pressure is likely intended to get the ministry to move on the outstanding issues related to the MMRCA tender process. Work remains to be done for it to be taken to its logical conclusion (The response this pressure elicits may well be a separate soap opera altogether). But the ministry is also under pressure to meet the April-end deadline for the expiry of the commercial offers submitted by the six vendors. The MMRCA-6 vendors were required to either extend the validity of their bids or resubmit them last year, after they expired.

The key issue holding up movement right now is the business of evaluating offsets for the estimated USD 10 billion contract. The terms of the tender mandate the winning vendor to plough back 50 per cent of the value of the contract into India, something that is hoped to boost Indian defense industry. Although the MMRCA tender is governed by the Defense Procurement Procedure (DPP) of 2006, which generally mandates a 30 per cent offset requirement, an exception was made in the case of the fighter aircraft purchase, keeping in mind the expected value of the contract.

New rules under the DPP of 2011, announced in January, expanded the canvas of options for offset investments to include sectors and services like civil aviation, homeland/internal security and training. This was largely because the MMRCA-6 complained of the existing inability of Indian defense industry to absorb work under offsets, in any substantial manner. Defense Minister Arackaparambil Kurian Antony, however, made clear that these rules would not apply with retrospective effect, precluding the six fighter aircraft manufacturers from taking advantage of the increased options.

StratPost recently reported moves by the ministry to amend the DPP to change the offset evaluation process by inviting only vendors shortlisted as technically qualified to submit offset proposals, and get Law Ministry approval to apply them with retrospective effect, so as to ease the amount of work involved in offset evaluation.

The Technical Offsets Evaluation Committee of the Defense Ministry has been struggling to formulate the requirements for the offset proposals that the vendors would have to match, with a series of delays, and still no terms set in black and white. The last date of January 28 proposed, by which vendors would have to submit offsets proposals that were compliant with the requirements of the ministry, whistled past, with nary a word about the amended requirements. The MMRCA-6 were told to hold on until further notice...

...The technical offset offer is different from the commercial offset offer in that it does not contain the commercial values of the offset proposals.

The procedure also says: ‘These Commercial Offset Offers would be opened along with the main commercial offer. The CNC would verify that the Commercial Offset Offers meet the stipulated offset obligations.’

This means that the evaluation of the technical offsets offers has to be completed before the commercial offset offers are examined, simultaneous with the opening of the commercial bids. It should be noted that the commercial offset offers have no bearing on the determination of the L1 (lowest bidding and technically qualified) vendor.

A question that immediately arises from this is how the respective Commercial Offset Offers would remain valid, submitted as they are in sealed envelopes, if the Technical Offset Offers have not been validated yet by the Technical Offset Evaluation Committee? Even if the DPP is amended with retrospective effect, the ministry would then have to validate technical offsets proposals from the selected vendors and iron-out any mismatch with the existing commercial offsets proposals.

Unlike as laid down in DPP 2008 and 2011, under the 2006 procedure, there is no provision for the selected L1 to be able to amend the commercial offset offer after it is opened.

The DPP says the Technical Offset Evaluation Committee will ‘examine the technical offset offers and shortlist the vendors meeting the offset obligations’. [The language in the 2008 and 2011 iterations reads: The (Technical Offset Evaluation) Committee will examine the compliance of technical offset offers by the vendors for meeting the offset obligations.]

There has been speculation that none of the aircraft are fully technically compliant with the Air Staff Qualitative Requirements (ASQR). If this is indeed the case, in theory, the ministry could simply select the single most compliant aircraft open its commercial bid. In this Resultant Single Vendor scenario, the Contract Negotiation Committee (CNC) would then have to arrive at a benchmark of the price it will consider reasonable.

The CNC will only open the ‘sealed commercial offers of the technically accepted vendors’. ‘In case of procurement of new equipment on single vendor/resultant single vendor basis, CNC should establish a benchmark and reasonableness of price in an internal meeting before opening the commercial offer,’ says the DPP.

If the L1 vendor’s price is found to match the benchmark, further negotiations are discouraged. ‘Once the commercial offers are opened and the price of the vendor is found to be within the benchmark fixed, in the internal meeting, there should be no need to carry out any further price negotiations. The RFP in such multi-vendor cases, should clearly lay down that no negotiations would be carried with the L1 vendor.’

There is room for an exception though. ‘In multi-vendor cases, on opening of commercial offers, once L1 vendor is identified the contract should be concluded with him and there would be no need for any further price negotiations. However, negotiations can be held in exceptional circumstances where valid logical reasons exist and such negotiations should be held only with L1.’

But a Resultant Single Vendor selection would also mean that the L1 vendor’s pricing would not be subject to contest from any other vendor. The ministry could also end up with sticker shock, and have to deal with a substantial mismatch between the benchmark price range arrived at by the CNC and the bid submitted by the vendor.

In the event of such a situation, where no aircraft is fully compliant, it would perhaps make more sense to avoid a Resultant Single Vendor shortlist and select those aircraft that satisfy the essential must-haves of the IAF. This would also allow for a wider range of offsets proposals, besides ensuring price competition.

Another issue, although perhaps not as obviously crucial, is that of Transfer of Technology (ToT). The DPP considers it desirable that the Licensed Production contract be negotiated along with the contract for the finished product. ‘In cases where this is not feasible, the purchase contract should include a clause wherein the vendor agrees to negotiate the license contract at a subsequent date, thus obtaining a commitment from the vendor to part with the ToT. In cases, where ToT for Maintenance Infrastructure is being sought, the maintenance contract involving the OEM and the industry receiving the technology would also be negotiated along with the main contract.’

The problem with this is that any negotiation on Licensed Production and ToT that takes place after the selection of the winning aircraft would put the ministry in a position of disadvantage. An agreement in this regard may be less than optimal for India, as the winning vendor, sitting pretty after selection, might not be overly inclined to bend to Indian requirements. Licensed Production and ToT should be seen as at least as important as the aircraft purchase itself, as they have the potential to provide the skills, knowledge and investment to jump-start the Indian defense and aerospace industry. Anything less would mean India shortchanged...

...The IAF commander had couched his optimism with a caveat – ‘provided dissatisfied vendors do not put a spoke in the wheel and delay proceedings’. The announcement of a shortlist is unlikely to see the spurned vendors go away quietly. Defense deals in India are keenly-followed, considering the number of times they’ve fallen on the wrong side of the line of propriety and been canceled. Observers are therefore unsure if the government would hand over another possible brickbat to the opposition, so soon.

But if the commercial bids are not opened by April 28, the government would have to ask the vendors to resubmit or extend the validity of their commercial bids, again. This is being seen as something to which ministry officials now appear increasingly resigned and for which the MMRCA-6 should be ready

The Long Road to the MMRCA Shortlist | StratPost
 
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UK commits Eurofighter Typhoons for ground-attack duties



The UK has stepped up its commitment to the NATO-led campaign to contain Libya's armed forces by adding four Panavia Tornado GR4s to its contribution and placing an equal number of Eurofighter Typhoons at readiness to conduct offensive action.

Prime Minister David Cameron announced the decision to send the four additional Tornado ground-attack aircraft during a 5 April visit to Royal Air Force personnel forward-deployed at Gioia del Colle air base in Italy. Eight GR4s are already at the site and have been used to conduct multiple strikes during action to protect Libyan civilians from attack by forces loyal to Col Muammar Gaddafi.

Recent targets for their MBDA dual-mode Brimstone air-to-surface missiles and Raytheon Systems Paveway IV precision-guided bombs included six armoured fighting vehicles and six main battle tanks that had been positioned near the towns of Misrata and Sirte, the UK Ministry of Defence says.

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The UK already has Typhoon and Tornado GR4 aircraft in place in Italy

Separately, the MoD announced on 5 April that some of its eight Gioia del Colle-based Typhoons have for the first time been made available to conduct strikes against land-based targets in Libya.

"In agreement with NATO, the UK has today agreed to move four RAF Typhoons from an air defence role, policing the no-fly zone, to a ground attack role," it says. "As a result, the total number of UK fast jets deployed in southern Italy, including those under UK command on standby to support operations, currently stands at 20."

Operations with the UK's deployed Typhoons have until now been limited to supporting the enforcement of the UN-mandated no-fly zone over Libya. Approval for some of the aircraft to perform air-to-surface missions could lead to them using their Raytheon Paveway II/Enhanced Paveway II precision-guided bombs in anger for the first time.

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LIBYA: UK commits Eurofighter Typhoons for ground-attack duties







Is it a rally race.. every cycle a different lead.

What grounds does news have for their leak?

India needs nuclear technology hence we can narrow to France or US but US can help in weapon making as well.

So chances of hornet are more than any other, flying machine.

News is just propaganda... perhaps could help in negotiating price!

Nobody asked for your silly comment .
 
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Now lets see how good Eurofighter can be in ground-attack duties, looks like they are hell bent on proving their birds to us. Or why would they employ EFT for that role when they had dedicated ground attack aircraft Tornado at their disposal.
 
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Now lets see how good Eurofighter can be in ground-attack duties, looks like they are hell bent on proving their birds to us. Or why would they employ EFT for that role when they had dedicated ground attack aircraft Tornado at their disposal.

There was a report which states that strike aircraft where not enough after US with drew.... so i guess this is a new twist in LIBYA drama...
 
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US fuel stops Gripen Libya mission


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The Swedish JAS Gripen aircraft deployed in Sicily as part of NATO's Libya mission remained grounded on Thursday as the fuel available is suitable only for US navy aircraft.

The eight fighter jets are located in the US part of the Sigonella airbase on Sicily and the only fuel available it that which is used for US navy aircraft.

The Gripen were due to participate in their first mission over Libya on Thursday but this has now been delayed and test flights have been postponed.

According to the outline plan, the eight aircraft were all due to monitor the UN no-fly zone over the civil-war torn country from Thursday but on arrival at the base they discovered that no fuel was available.

The Sigonella base is designed as a naval air force base, lieutenant colonal Mats Brindsjö, head of the Swedish Air Operation Center, said.

"And US navy aircraft use somewhat different fuel to that which we use in our planes," he told the TT news agency.:what:

The US fuel variety is known as JP5 while the Gripen normally fly using a civil fuel known as Jet A1.

"Certain additives and some equipment are needed to change JP5 to Jet A1 in a controlled manner. This equipment is not as yet in place down there and in the time being we are trying to buy the fuel from a place off the base."

"This really should have been investigated as soon as we arrived, but we didn't have time with all the other details," Mats Brindsjö said, adding that he expects the Gripen aircraft to be in the air on Friday.

The Swedish aircraft will undergo a test flight in order to familiarize themselves with the airspace before NATO authorities are informed that the Gripen stand at the ready.

Sweden is not a member of NATO, although it has been in NATO's
Partnership for Peace programme since 1994 and has contributed some 500 troops to the alliance's International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) force in
Afghanistan.

Sweden also took part in operations in Kosovo.

Nevertheless Sweden's air force has not been involved in action since it
took part in a UN-mandated operation in the then Belgian Congo from 1961-63.

The Libyan operation will be the first combat tour for the JAS Gripen 39,
produced by the Swedish defence group Saab.

Sweden's Nordic neighbours Denmark and Norway are already taking part in
Libyan air operations.

US fuel stops Gripen Libya mission - The Local

WTF is that???:what:
 
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There was a report which states that strike aircraft where not enough after US with drew.... so i guess this is a new twist in LIBYA drama...

That's the point, UK now are forced to deploy more fighters in the A2G role, but as I said earlier, this is also their chance to show off the EF in this role, because if Afghanistan didn't showed it already, this conflict made anybody understand how much the Rafale is in lead in terms of multi role capabilities and beeing proven.


The US fuel variety is known as JP5 while the Gripen normally fly using a civil fuel known as Jet A1.


Interesting and kind of embarrassing for the Swedish forces, I would guess that the Volvo engine is cleared for the civil fuel only to reduce the costs.
 
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That's the point, UK now are forced to deploy more fighters in the A2G role, but as I said earlier, this is also their chance to show off the EF in this role, because if Afghanistan didn't showed it already, this conflict made anybody understand how much the Rafale is in lead in terms of multi role capabilities and beeing proven.





Interesting and kind of embarrassing for the Swedish forces, I would guess that the Volvo engine is cleared for the civil fuel only to reduce the costs.

Can you give a description and info about various aviation fuels used in jet fighters around the world, would be much appreciated.
 
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Wasn't it few days back, when MOD said that new offset policy will not be applied to MMRCA ?? Also there were reports last year that offset issue was solved...

If i am correct MOD might also be expecting revised proposal, i mean not offset but the package as the offers have expired April last year...i don't understand how they were going to make the decision in the first place...?

I think its now time that we should stop talking about MMRCA.... it will take a couple of more years to take the decision and then government might change and everyone knows what happens when government changes....
 
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Can you give a description and info about various aviation fuels used in jet fighters around the world, would be much appreciated.

ALL USAF jet aircraft use JP-8 expect the retired Blackbird which uses JP-7 to achieve Mach 3.As for other air forces there might be some difference in flash points & additives.
 
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Wasn't it few days back, when MOD said that new offset policy will not be applied to MMRCA ?? Also there were reports last year that offset issue was solved...

If i am correct MOD might also be expecting revised proposal, i mean not offset but the package as the offers have expired April last year...i don't understand how they were going to make the decision in the first place...?

I think its now time that we should stop talking about MMRCA.... it will take a couple of more years to take the decision and then government might change and everyone knows what happens when government changes....

Yup and no upgraded offers too like engines .. coz the evaluation was based on the old config.

10 years to come was a shocker. In 10 years all these fighters will be irrelevant.

I am looking for a sweetener of a surprise like transferring of a few existing fighters from the winning manufacture to fill up the shortage, until the real ones start coming.
 
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Rafael Derby BVRAAMs on Indian Air Force HAL Tejas Light Combat Aircraft by 2012-enD
The Indian Air Force (IAF) plans to equip the Tejas light combat aircraft (LCA) with the Rafael's supersonic Derby beyond visual range air-to-air missile (BVR-AAM). India will sign a contract with Rafael Advanced Defence Systems (RADSL) to procure the Derby BVR-AAM to be fitted on 200 jets.

Delivery of the missiles is expected by the end of 2012. The IAF has selected the Derby BVR-AAM over the indigenous Astra BVR-AAM to expedite the induction of Tejas into its arsenal. The Derby BVR-AAM missile is a tried and tested weapon, though it is yet to be successfully test-fired in the air using a Sukhoi-30 MKI fighter jet. The Derby has a range of 50km, compared with 80km of the Astra missile.

Tejas developer Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) said the Astra BVR-AAM would be integrated with the LCA once all the flight test firing schedules were successfully completed.
 
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