Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions

[Dash]

Originally Posted by SpArK
But there are signs that the purchase order may not be signed at all, not for fear of antagonising the US, but for more practical reasons. For one, big-ticket defence purchases almost always attract corruption charges. The embattled Government in New Delhi is already battling several scam allegations. The Congress, with the Bofors ghost still haunting it two decades later, would prefer caution over valour.

Dont they trust Antony that he can do this in clean manner or just halucination???

 

[baker]

WTF is Grippen doing.. is it for the airshow in Srilanka or anything thats not for public???

dont worry dude.. they were on the way to thailand.....

The Royal Thai Air Force (RTAF) has taken delivery of six Gripen C/D fighters ordered in 2008, making up half of the 12 Gripen ordered by Thailand in total.

The Gripen fighters were flown from Sweden to Thailand and arrived at their new home base Wing 7 in Surat Thani in southern Thailand on 22 February.

Royal Thai Air Force receives six Gripen fighter aircraft | News | The Engineer

 

[SpArK]

dont worry dude.. they were on the way to thailand.....




Royal Thai Air Force receives six Gripen fighter aircraft | News | The Engineer

Bloody ToI dont even have any idea of whats going around.. they dont have any defense reporters.. somebody from this forum needs to apply for a job in there if they are not to repeating stupid articles like these.

 

[baker]

Bloody ToI dont even have any idea of whats going around.. they dont have any defense reporters.. somebody from this forum needs to apply for a job in there if they are not to repeating stupid articles like these.

sad part here is even the commander of our airforce base station it self is not updated .....

Commander of Tambaram Air Force station group captain Mittal said he was not aware of the visit. "If it was a friendly military joint operation, we would have been notified and the jets would have landed at our air field in Tambaram." The aircrat instead used the civil airport.

 

[kingdurgaking]

missile also has a computer on board...
before launch all target data get tranfer to missile computer , thereafter missile guided towards it's target of it's own by the help of it's computer & seekers..

This is true for short range missile not for BVRAAMS... for BVRAAMS missile still need the mothers guidance until terminal phase...
Further they do emit the signals to identify the location of the targets

 

[sancho]

Sancho Tranche 3A is offered to INDIA.. if not they will be disqualified.. Surely EFT consortium would work out something to make sure the price is comparable to Rafale.. because they wont like to loose to Rafale

Yes, T3A is offered, but so far not even the partners knows what A will include and what will be delayed for B. They loose to Rafale in the technical evaluations in nearly all comparable competitions, so if they wouldn't be shortlisted by the lack of multi role capabilities and high costs, it wouldn't be surprising, or the first time for them.
From what is cleared so far, the only real advantages the EF has in MMRCA are ToT, offsets and political, while it falls clearly short in operational requirements for Indian forces.

This is true for short range missile not for BVRAAMS... for BVRAAMS missile still need the mothers guidance until terminal phase...
Further they do emit the signals to identify the location of the targets

MICA IR is the WVR infra red varient, of the BVR MICA RF, but both has the same airframe and only the seekers are different. That gives the MICA IR the advantage of BVR ranges and the the MICA RF high maneuverability with TVC!

That's what I said in earlier posts, the French are clearly thinking out of the box and with versatility in mind not only for the fighters (Mirage 2000, Rafale), but also for their weapons (MICA, AASM).

 

[shaktiman2010]

sad part here is even the commander of our airforce base station it self is not updated .....

If Gripen shipment is passing to Thailand over Indian airspace, then the entities who would know this are ATC(Air-traffic controllers) in the country who authorise and sanction permits to land or use civil airfields in country.

Now, its not clear if we have joint ATC operated jointly by IAF and Civilian authority(DGCA?). In any case, the military base commander on ground has nothing to do with this loop. So, don't worry. If anything, its the ATC(civilian/military) and Government who would have known this in advance.

Now, ofcourse TOI(toilet paper) has no fu*king idea of how this works and they know public doesn't know either. So, that munna reporter sitting over his special TOI brand commode, is using the opportunity to create sensationalist reports to increase TRP(sells).

 

[luckyyy]

This is true for short range missile not for BVRAAMS... for BVRAAMS missile still need the mothers guidance until terminal phase...
Further they do emit the signals to identify the location of the targets

BVRAAMS has their own radar on board ...

 

[kingdurgaking]

Yes, T3A is offered, but so far not even the partners knows what A will include and what will be delayed for B. They loose to Rafale in the technical evaluations in nearly all comparable competitions, so if they wouldn't be shortlisted by the lack of multi role capabilities and high costs, it wouldn't be surprising, or the first time for them.
From what is cleared so far, the only real advantages the EF has in MMRCA are ToT, offsets and political, while it falls clearly short in operational requirements for Indian forces.

hmmm Sancho when you are made to present a RFP for the sales you are providing.. wont you include the specification of the product you are going to sell??.. how is it even in the wildest imagination you can say EADS havent put the sepcification of 3A in the RFP... and how will the EADS will do without getting the approval from consortium... may be there is a formal approval but may be there is no funding..

MICA IR is the WVR infra red varient, of the BVR MICA RF, but both has the same airframe and only the seekers are different. That gives the MICA IR the advantage of BVR ranges and the the MICA RF high maneuverability with TVC!

That's what I said in earlier posts, the French are clearly thinking out of the box and with versatility in mind not only for the fighters (Mirage 2000, Rafale), but also for their weapons (MICA, AASM).

I really doubt IR Can do BVR target on there own.. it is not possible considering the insulation the atmosphere does.. As far as my knowledge IR can be possible only WVR.... If this is achived then French are masters...

 

[kingdurgaking]

BVRAAMS has their own radar on board ...

Yes but it gets activated mostly in terminal phases only... Most of the time it will be guided by the mother as there computers are not that powerful to acquire a BVR target on there own.. which shows signals are transferred from mother to missile..

 

[KEETARP]

[Sancho wrote]

you just proved what I said.

Really

Rafale is hard to detect because it don't emit signals, neither it's IRST, "nor the MICA seekers", or SPECTRA does and that's all it needs to detect, identify, locate and guide weapons.

Lets see what you wrote earlier

Rafale is hard to detect too, because it has a low RCS and don't emits any signals

Any ??????? mark any
Kindly update us which data link Rafale has , which communicates without emitting ?

Who said data will not transfered? Radar, IRST, data links, the point is that this will be done passively.

You are confused Radar+data link is not passive .
Radar has to emit Wave of energy to identify targets
Sensor is passive which dosen't emit .
Like FLIR which depends on heat source of target to identify instead of emitting energy itself ,

If you are right

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Yes I was , against your belief Rafale does emit signals
1. MICA RF - has Active Radar in missile -
2. Data link is not LPI so it is interceptable

Why so? SPECTRA uses also the IRST in slave mode to guide weapons and that's passive as well! EF can do it too, but not with data from the EWS, only with external data (AWACS for example)

Rubbish , PIRATE dosen't depend on AWACS to launch or guide weapons
IRST device on Eurofighter can calculate bearing data, know precise location to launch IR missile passively . ( and its done passively as well )

single greatest asset offered by the HMS is its optical motion tracking system. With an appropriately equipped high off-boresight missile (ASRAAM, IRIS-T, AIM-9X, etc.) or the aid of the PIRATE system a pilot can launch short range weapons over the shoulder. In addition it will be possible to project imagery from PIRATE (IRST/FLIR) directly onto the HMS.

Eurofighter Technology and Performance : Cockpit

 

[GORKHALI]

PICTURES: Eurofighter reveals Typhoon development options for Middle East


The Eurofighter consortium is developing a roadmap for the Typhoon that it believes will offer potential customers in the Middle East options to greatly enhance the type's capabilities.
"The plan is to, over the next eightto 10 years, take a phased approach to enhancing the Typhoon's capability," says Rob Wells, Eurofighter's export future business manager. "It is the exports that are driving these enhancements."
Eurofighter unveiled the plans, which include optional conformal fuel tanks, at IDEX 2011. Other enhancements include the option of MBDA's Meteor beyond visual-range air-to-air missile from 2014 and an active electronically scanned array radar that potentially offers a wider field of regard from 2015.
© Eurofighter
New air-to-surface weapons would include anti-ship missiles, stand-off-range cruise missiles and long-range glide bombs. A thrust-vectoring nozzle is also being offered for the aircraft's Eurojet EJ200 turbofan engines.
Wells says the programme's Tranche 3-standard aircraft will already have the provision to accommodate conformal fuel tanks, and that the consortium is open to collaboration with local industry on many of the options.
"Countries like Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Oman and Bahrain are looking at fighters, and we are willing to show them what their aerospace companies can do as well," he says

 

[Andross]

from 2015 for Eurofighter AESA?? so if we pick the fighter our first batch will only have basic E captor AESA i think Rafale and F18SH is ahead in this dept

 

[Skull and Bones]

from 2015 for Eurofighter AESA?? so if we pick the fighter our first batch will only have basic E captor AESA i think Rafale and F18SH is ahead in this dept

Radars can be upgraded later on.

 

[sancho]

hmmm Sancho when you are made to present a RFP for the sales you are providing.. wont you include the specification of the product you are going to sell??.. how is it even in the wildest imagination you can say EADS havent put the sepcification of 3A in the RFP... and how will the EADS will do without getting the approval from consortium... may be there is a formal approval but may be there is no funding...

Buddy you are completelly missing the points!

First you have to differ between the consortium companies like EADS, BAE... and the consortium partners, the countries like Germany, UK...

Then you have to understand that not everything the companies develop, will be funded and procured by the partner countries.

For example, the consortium companies had developed TVC for the EF nearly a decade ago and it would be ready for T3A, but so far no partner country had shown interest in funding and integrating it. That's the reason why the consortium companies are offereing it to international customers like India, if we pay extra for it, that feature will be integrated and could be available for all EFs.
That is the same with F18SH and the growth plan options like the GE 414 EPE engine, it is on offer for us, but only if we pay for development and integration, because USN has no interest in it. Or like HMS and CFTs at Rafale.

Any capability that is important for our requirements and is not funded by the developing country, means additional costs for us and that is a big problem for EF at the moment!
Most of the basic techs and weapons, to make it really multi role capable are missing and if the partners don't include them into T3A, or delay them into T3B, we have to pay way more than the already very high $109 millions each EF to get a useful fighter. The naval EF is even completely on offer only for us, without any potential other costomer in sight and mainly with features that are unfunded:

- re-design of the airframe
- AESA radar
- TVC
- CFTs
- RBS 15 anti ship missile


The cost we pay to develop and later also upgrade this version would be very high and totally useless, compared to taking a proven and available Rafale M, or F18SH.