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[sancho]

most of the people won't even accepting that Grien NG is ready , but now SAAB also coming at Aero2011 with three fighters...

Let me try to explain the difference once again!

Gripen NG tech demonstrator (modfied Gripen):

Available now!


Gripen E/F prototype, or final Gripen IN version:

Available on paper, or drawings!

...The next configuration, MS 21, is being defined, but it is clear that MS 21 is in fact the NG, with the General Electric F414G engine; modified airframe; Selex Galileo Raven ES-05 active, electronically scanned array (AESA) radar; Skyward-G infrared search and track (IRST) system; and new core avionics.
Selex’s Raven 1000P radar prototype is flying on the Gripen Demo and a ground rig is testing the innovative avionics in which flight-critical functions are partitioned so mission capabilities can be added more quickly through the fighter’s life.

The government is funding development of the definitive NG, which the independent defense procurement agency FMV calls JAS 39E/F. (A contract for the avionics system was issued in May.) The production version will have a larger wingspan and area, and the landing gear will be fully integrated with the wing (on the Demo, gear loads are taken through the wing and fuselage). Maximum takeoff weight has been increased (compared with earlier NG proposals) by 1,100 lb. to 36,400 lb...

...The Demo prototype completed 152 flight-test sorties by mid-June, Rosen said, and a successful demonstration in India in May (the company previously performed demonstrations with the C/D version in India), including a landing and engine restart at Leh airfield in Kashmir, 10,800 ft. above sea level.

https://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gen...s/dti/2010/07/01/DT_07_01_2010_p41-236114.xml

 

[sancho]

DBC.. the long discussion will come to a conclusion ..shown every one the proof .. that EPE is already funded and a time line is provided that F18E/F will be out from hanger with EPE engine .. katham thatham..

But that's the problem, she can't otherwise she could have done it long time ago right? Boeing itself states that they are searching for an export customer for the engine and that's not without a reason right?
I even stated before, IF we fund the EPE for LCA MK2, the F18SH will win MMRCA without any doubt, but so far nothing like this was stated and the low costs per engine hints to the normal 414 version only.

 

[Rank]

seriously its too long simply at last India will only go for F18 because of America... India dont even have guts to reject American offer simple. so no Gripen Rafale typhoon India will only go for F18 ... might be along with F18 india will try to put more cash and other fighter but not only along with F18 ....

 

[dbc]

DBC.. the long discussion will come to a conclusion ..shown every one the proof .. that EPE is already funded and a time line is provided that F18E/F will be out from hanger with EPE engine .. katham thatham..

Thanks kingdurgaking, what Mr. Sancho fails to understand is that the EPE - Enhanced Performance Engine and the EDE - Enhanced Durability Engine has the same core. The EDE program is fully funded by US Navy, the EDE engine is transformed into the EPE version by addition of a 3D-aerodynamic forward-swept airfoil. The 3D-aerodynamic forward-swept airfoil is internally funded by GE's science and technology development funds and the US Navy.

In any case not going to waste any more time on the thickheaded

 

[kingdurgaking]

Thanks kingdurgaking, what Mr. Sancho fails to understand is that the EPE - Enhanced Performance Engine and the EDE - Enhanced Durability Engine has the same core. The EDE program is fully funded by US Navy, the EDE engine is transformed into the EPE version by addition of a 3D-aerodynamic forward-swept airfoil. The 3D-aerodynamic forward-swept airfoil is internally funded by GE's science and technology development funds and the US Navy.

In any case not going to waste any more time on the thickheaded

Hopefully if we get F18 with this powerful engines it will rock-out all the contenders ... with its powerful weapon suite...

sacho... agreed or unagreed but the prospect for F18 is more because India is getting closer to US.. if Pokhran-3 happens then there will be a chance for others... until then others have less chance because of cost factor which prioritize with high preference...Gripen NG i dont think will be a choice considering Tejas-2 expectations being set today..

 

[RadyLeo]

You all know what another thing cool about f18.. it can operate out of roads
F/A-18 can operate off roads too | StratPost

Its not the matter of India having the guts to say No to US of A or not. At the end of the day it will all boil down money... How much we can get for the money being spent. Political, Strategic and Technology.
F18 offers all of this!!!

 

[SpArK]

You all know what another thing cool about f18.. it can operate out of roads
F/A-18 can operate off roads too | StratPost

Its not the matter of India having the guts to say No to US of A or not. At the end of the day it will all boil down money... How much we can get for the money being spent. Political, Strategic and Technology.
F18 offers all of this!!!

We all know that.. chk the last page

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/4347-mrca-news-discussions-249.html

 

[sancho]

DBC.. the long discussion will come to a conclusion ..shown every one the proof .. that EPE is already funded

See, just like I said, she can't, so I rest my case!

 

[angeldemon_007]

I don't think US or Russian fighters will be selected. We are getting closer to US but i don't think its a wise decision to place such a big order to the country who has not a very good relationship in the past.

Apart from this GE 414 and eurojet EJ200 used in eurofighter both are good. According to the reports eurojet was even more advanced than GE414.

Rafale and eurofighter are no doubt the most advanced fighters in the competition.

 

[ajay]

http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=129527



looks like something out of Star Wars; it performs like something out of Star Wars – and for the fast-jet fighter pilots of the future – it could just make the difference between life and death.

Welcome to the Eurofighter Typhoon’s latest weapon – not something slung under the wing – but a system with ‘brains’ that sits on the pilot’s head.

 

[SpArK]

 

[GareebNawaz]

india will go foe f18

 

[ajay]

Eurofighter going to win breaking newsss

 

[sancho]

Armed forces face further £1bn in cuts

Ministry of Defence to make extra reductions in addition to those anounced in spending review last year

Typhoons only three years old may have to be scrapped as it will cost too much to update them. Photograph: RAF

The armed forces face the immediate prospect of having to make significant cuts – of well over £1bn a year – on top of those announced in October's defence review, it emerged today.

The Ministry of Defence faces a "nightmare" as it tries to cope with the extra shortfall in this year's planning round, a leading defence analyst said.

The "defence review has not done enough", Michael Clarke, director of the Royal United Services Institute, told a conference in London attended by senior military officers.

The annual gap between commitments and available cash for the armed forces over the next few years could amount to as much as £2bn, a situation Clarke described as unsustainable.

This year's planning round would be a "nightmare", he said. Even with an increase now to bridge the immediate shortfall the military would need more later this decade to meet the objectives laid out in the defence review.

Under the review the current £38bn annual defence budget will be cut by about 7.5% over the next four years. However, the review also laid out plans for a reduced role for the armed forces by 2020. But even that would require a real terms increase in the defence budget in the years following 2015, military chiefs have insisted.

It has also emerged that the RAF is to scrap more than 50 Eurofighter/Typhoon jets which became operational only three years ago at a cost of more than £4.5bn (=$7 billion dollar, or $140 million each Tranche 1 EF) because it cannot afford to update them.

An MoD spokeswoman said it did not recognise the figures on the immediate defence budget shortfall. However, they were not challenged by senior military personnel present at the conference.

Nick Harvey, the Lib Dem armed forces minister, told the conference Labour had allowed a "massive unfunded liability in defence to build up".

Armed forces face further £1bn in cuts | UK news | The Guardian


An RAF official some weeks ago mentioned these plans as well and hinted that the RAF wants to sell them 2nd hand, because it is too costly to upgrade them. But who on earth will pay even half the price for a fighter that has only A2A capabilities (Tranche 2 got some A2G weapons)?

 

[GareebNawaz]

^^ that is why i say IAF will gor for F/A-18 SH in the end as we may have the money for EF, but it would be put to better use for customising and upgrading SH.