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[The HBS Guy]

Is rafael technically superior to Typhoon?

 

[Ammyy]

Is rafael technically superior to Typhoon?

I think it might be superior in A 2 G role (dnt know about Tranche 3)otherwise Typhoon rocks

 

[SpArK]

Is rafael technically superior to Typhoon?

Different roles as been read in previos posts .. EF is basically air superiority fighter. we are not looking for more like them.

What we need is a fighter which can attack ground with precision and has deep penetrating capability..

A good radar, accurate ground attack missiles and a cost effective solution.. EF doesnt fit any of these..

 

[ajay26]

Livefist - Indian Defence & Aerospace: ANALYSIS: Factors That Should Determine The MMRCA

Not sure if this article has been posted

 

[Ammyy]

Different roles as been read in previos posts .. EF is basically air superiority fighter. we are not looking for more like them.

What we need is a fighter which can attack ground with precision and has deep penetrating capability..

A good radar, accurate ground attack missiles and a cost effective solution.. EF doesnt fit any of these..

Sir i think Tranche 3 over come all these problem of a2g

And cost i Think both are European fighter?????

 

[SpArK]

Sir i think Tranche 3 over come all these problem of a2g

And cost i Think both are European fighter?????

Well tranche 3 will depend upon the financials of the cash strapped EF partners for sure.. Already the company is in big trouble and radar wont be ready anywhere within 2-3 years.

Already news are full of defence cuts and they are looking at Indian order to start the work on it..

 

[The HBS Guy]

^^ So if India goes for typhoon, will it be tranche 3 and is tranche 3 supposed to deliver on the A2G front?

 

[SpArK]

I liked the article by that colonel.. Its been suggested by many analysits that we need a fighter to fill the gap of FGFA and AMCA...

So we should look for a partner country with full ToT and complete control over the program with a cheap fighter. And nothing is worth more than Gripen to fill in the space.

Already JV with Tata and Mahindra and definitely it will bring more jobs than what EF proposed. So practically Gripen which was announced getting passed in all trials seems an ideal choice. But my heart still thumbs for Rafale.

 

[Ammyy]

Well tranche 3 will depend upon the financials of the cash strapped EF partners for sure.. Already the company is in big trouble and radar wont be ready anywhere within 2-3 years.

Already news are full of defence cuts and they are looking at Indian order to start the work on it..

I dnt think current radar Rafale is batter than EF

So whats the problem that if Aesa or any other radar come after 2-3 years.

 

[SpArK]

I dnt think current radar Rafale is batter than EF

So whats the problem that if Aesa or any other radar come after 2-3 years.

How can you say the radar is better when the deal has been given only recently??

FARNBOROUGH: Eurofighter gets AESA radar deal, but Italy looks to F-35

 

[SpArK]

OK here is the Gripen argument.. worth a look.​

 

[ajay26]

The Gripen is the closest thing to India's Mirage planes but not sure it has the geo-political strings to go with the package think it will be Eurofighter who takes the prize deal.

 

[trident2010]

UK closes in on $11bn fighter deal

The multi-role combat aircraft, manufactured by a joint venture between Britain's BAE Systems, Italy's Alenia Aeronautica and the German-Spanish giant EADS, has come top in the Indian Air Force's technical assessment of rival bids, beating the American F16 and F18s, the Russian MiG 35 and its closest rival, the French Dassault Rafale.

If the Typhoon clinches the deal, India would become the consortium's third-largest customer and an unofficial "fifth partner" in the project. Thousands of new jobs would also be created in India, including a new EADS avionics plant. "The Indians would be one of the biggest users of Typhoon, which would give them a vote at the table," one official said last week.

Britain, Germany, Italy and Spain are waging a joint diplomatic campaign to support the Typhoon bid, with the leaders of all four countries expected to raise the issue in meetings with India's prime minister, Dr Manmohan Singh, at next week's G20 meeting in Seoul. David Cameron is expected to lobby Dr Singh in a bilateral meeting at the summit.

President Barack Obama of the United States is in India this weekend and is expected to lobby on behalf of the US defence industry for the F16 and F18.

A senior Indian official has told The Sunday Telegraph that its air force's technical findings have been forwarded to the defence ministry, where a final decision is expected to be made in the next few months.

"There are a number of cost and strategic considerations which still have to be looked at, but in purely technical terms, Eurofighter is ahead," the official said.

The disclosure is a significant boost for the Typhoon consortium, but it must now address Indian concerns that the Eurofighter is more expensive than its competitors in upfront costs. British, German, Spanish and Italian officials are confident however that it will be cheaper than its competitors over the lifetime of its deployment.

Air Chief Marshal Sir Stephen Dalton, head of the Royal Air Force, visited India last week for the Indradhanush joint RAF-Indian Air Force exercise in Kalaikunda, West Bengal, where Indian fighter pilots flew RAF Typhoons for the first time under the gaze of their own Air Chief Marshal PV Naik.

"Set aside initial development costs and Typhoon's through-life costs compare very well," said Sir Stephen.

The Typhoon's unique advantage, he said, is an integrated platform for its weapons, radar and intelligence- gathering systems. "It has this flexibility and adaptability at any one time," he said. Sir Stephen previously headed Britain's Typhoon development programme at the Ministry of Defence.

Indian officials have long said that Eurofighter had a good chance of winning the contract. Arif Shahid Khan, India's ambassador to Italy, said in January that the Eurofighter was "leading the race" in the trials, which were then under way.

Winning the contract would be a jobs boost not just for BAE Systems' Warton plant in Lancashire but also the Rolls-Royce factory in Bristol, where its EuroJet 200 engines are built. It would also benefit 300 small and medium enterprises throughout Britain.


UK closes in on $11bn fighter deal - Telegraph

 

[SpArK]

UK closes in on $11bn fighter deal

The multi-role combat aircraft, manufactured by a joint venture between Britain's BAE Systems, Italy's Alenia Aeronautica and the German-Spanish giant EADS, has come top in the Indian Air Force's technical assessment of rival bids, beating the American F16 and F18s, the Russian MiG 35 and its closest rival, the French Dassault Rafale.

If the Typhoon clinches the deal, India would become the consortium's third-largest customer and an unofficial "fifth partner" in e factory in Bristol, where its EuroJet 200 engines are built. It would also benefit 300 small and medium enterprises throughout Britain.


UK closes in on $11bn fighter deal - Telegraph

Already posted..check the previous pages trident bhai

 

[Toshiba]

^^^^^^^^^
but i think u.s is more effective diplomatically