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[redpearl75]

Do you know that costs it costs £90,000 per hour to keep it in the air in case of EF???


And have u heard of future plans of F-18 super hornets??

Livefist - The Best of Indian Defence: Boeing Offers India "Super Hornet International Roadmap"



Boeing displays manned F/A-XX concept jet

It looks interesting and very helpful if it goes as planned but we are still unsure about the future but yes, if India goes in favor of the Hornets the US will have to have serious concerns over everything that's planned and promised and that's something which no one can be sure of... But going for 126 Hornets won't be a good deal either as we need to have a blend of at least two fighter aircrafts.... Since the total cound is going beyond 200, all should never be only one selection......

 

[Leonidas]

Do you know that costs it costs £90,000 per hour to keep it in the air in case of EF???


And have u heard of future plans of F-18 super hornets??

Livefist - The Best of Indian Defence: Boeing Offers India "Super Hornet International Roadmap"



Boeing displays manned F/A-XX concept jet

Can you back up the bold part with some source? AFAIK, its around 14000 euros per hour. I read it on some other forum, may be you can provide the correct information.

 

[kingdurgaking]

Do you know that costs it costs £90,000 per hour to keep it in the air in case of EF???


And have u heard of future plans of F-18 super hornets??

Livefist - The Best of Indian Defence: Boeing Offers India "Super Hornet International Roadmap"



Boeing displays manned F/A-XX concept jet

I am not against US deals.. but i am against only MMRCA... while rest of the defence deals are fine as it is not going to impact much.. MMRCA will be backbone and it is very vital atleast near chinese borders... We cant keep them grounded at anycost and is very much bound to be under sanctions as we dont know which US president has got what policies...

While Europe need to trade with us, as there economy is weak ... even during good times we will have a edge over them atleast on economy side... they may impose sanction but we can break that easily by diplomacy which is not that easy with US...

so no no for MMRCA only

 

[SpArK]

Benny 90k/hr is really inflated amount., i heard 15k for MKI somewhere in this fourm(flying cost only)

These RAF Typhoons are worth their weight in gold - Telegraph

The Typhoon has been the object of much criticism from its detractors in the military, who regard it as a costly Cold War relic with no relevance for the combat operations Britain has undertaken in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is also fiendishly expensive. Each aircraft costs £69 million, and officials estimate it costs £90,000 per hour to keep it in the air. Not surprisingly, the Treasury is casting covetous glances at the RAF’s 65-strong Typhoon fleet in its desperate search for budget cuts.

£69 million= UK price


PS; sorry for the late reply... in middle of job..

 

[sancho]

F-18 surely looks better now with future upgrade programs and cost effectiveness.

EF and Rafale , I guess.

Clinton makes a pitch for India to buy American defence equipment - Winnipeg Free Press

Depends on who will pay for the upgrades and what will the upgraded F18 SH cost?
Going by the figures reported from Brazil, the actual F18SH costs $54 million in flyaway condition and a similar Rafale $78 millions. But the difference should shrink to some extend with the proposed upgrades, not to forget that so far not even USN is ready to pay for it.

 

[SpArK]

Depends on who will pay for the upgrades and what will the upgraded F18 SH cost?
Going by the figures reported from Brazil, the actual F18SH costs $54 million in flyaway condition and a similar Rafale $78 millions. But the difference should shrink to some extend with the proposed upgrades, not to forget that so far not even USN is ready to pay for it.

But they do have an upgrade path which was mentioned earlier unlike most and moreover the production lines are busy with orders of Australia and US navy one's which was announced this week.
If its getting orders from US itself we will surely see upgrades regularly.. Dont u think????

Already we have good relationships with Boeing and they have many JV's here.


http://www.defence.pk/forums/u-s-foreign-affairs/74567-boeing-gets-5-3-bln-fighter-jet-contract-us-navy.html



Boeing Plans Sixth Generation Fighter With Block 3 Super Hornet | AVIATION WEEK

 

[marcos98]

SAAB optimistic of making it to MMRCA downlist of IAF​

CAPE TOWN: As India's biggest defence contract of $ 10 billion to acquire 126 (MMRCA) nears final stages, the lone Swedish contender is optimistic of making it to the downlist.

Expressing optimism, SAAB executives said that their India campaign was enthusing them to enter the lucrative fighter market in the Asian region where many other nations are planning major acquisitions.

The Swedish company executives are hopeful that the Indian Government would shortlist the competitors by December to bring the number of contenders from six to two or three.

The Gripen is in contention with American F-16 and F-18/A Super Hornets, French Rafale, Russian MiG 35 and Eurofighter Typhoon.

The company executives claimed that the Gripen had come through well in Indian flight trials held at Leh and Jaisalmer.

"The trials were a complete success. We are very happy with the trials that went off early 2010. We are looking forward to the next steps and we are hopeful," Eddy de la Motte, Director, Gripen for India, told PTI on the sidelines of the Africa Aerospace and Defence expo 2010.

Gripen, like other five contenders, had undergone trials at Bangalore, Leh and Jaisalmer for performance assessment trials over varying terrain and weather conditions over six months that ended in March-April this year.

La Motte said the Indian Air Force pilots, who tested the 1,320 mile-per-hour jet, were a "really professional team" and the flight evaluation was "very demanding."

Gripen's Campaign Director and Test Pilot Magnus Lewis-Olsson said SAAB was looking forward to winning the Indian contract as it would mean a lot for the company.

"If you win India, that would be a strong signal for the world," he said.

The Gripen fighter aircraft, which is in service in the Swedish and South African Air Force, flew for 12 to 15 hours for eight days and also did single sorties during the trials.

Under the MMRCA deal, India will acquire 126 aircraft in 86 single-seater and 40 twin-engine seat configurations. It plans to procure 18 aircraft in flyaway conditions and produce 106 locally under license through technology transfer.

 

[sancho]

But they do have an upgrade path which was mentioned earlier unlike most and moreover the production lines are busy with orders of Australia and US navy one's which was announced this week.
If its getting orders from US itself we will surely see upgrades regularly.. Dont u think????

Already we have good relationships with Boeing and they have many JV's here.

Don't mistake the upgrade proposal of Boeing, with a fixed upgrade of the USN F18SH, it just shows what Boeing might be able to offer. The production lines are busy, mainly with remaining F18SH Growlers for USN (Australias 24 doesn't make a big difference) and more F18SH could be ordered, if F35 is even more delayed. However, the US Gov wants to get the F35 done as soon as possible and don't want to invest in further orders, or upgrades of older design fighters. Of course they will have to upgrade the older F18SH someday, but not everything what Boeing presented might be important for them if they have F35. The higher thrust engine for example is reported to be not important for USN now, that's why Boeing is searching for an export customer who could fund it (India, possibly UAE).

 

[kingdurgaking]

But they do have an upgrade path which was mentioned earlier unlike most and moreover the production lines are busy with orders of Australia and US navy one's which was announced this week.
If its getting orders from US itself we will surely see upgrades regularly.. Dont u think????

Already we have good relationships with Boeing and they have many JV's here.


http://www.defence.pk/forums/u-s-foreign-affairs/74567-boeing-gets-5-3-bln-fighter-jet-contract-us-navy.html



Boeing Plans Sixth Generation Fighter With Block 3 Super Hornet | AVIATION WEEK

I think we are not offered 18G we are offered E/F.. am i missing something?

 

[Dash]

Actually IAF is so tight lipped about what they are selecting, it is very difficlut to know what we are going for.

you cant even say like Brazil that your president is favoring French, not eeven one in MOD which gives a clue or even IAF. The last time I checked I find IAF has praised all planes, saying everyone is good. Every company in competition has said IAF has hailed their plane.

On top of that you have Shukla and Aroor who keep spreading rumors now and then.

What the heck, life has become very difficult

 

[anathema]

I think we are not offered 18G we are offered E/F.. am i missing something?

I dont believe its a question of what we were offered. India raised RFP for MRCA - Boeing responded with SH E/F. If India goes onto to request for a EW capable plane - Boeing would very well accommodate the request if it helps them win the contract for MRCA.

 

[dbc]

Don't mistake the upgrade proposal of Boeing, with a fixed upgrade of the USN F18SH, it just shows what Boeing might be able to offer. The production lines are busy, mainly with remaining F18SH Growlers for USN (Australias 24 doesn't make a big difference) and more F18SH could be ordered, if F35 is even more delayed. However, the US Gov wants to get the F35 done as soon as possible and don't want to invest in further orders, or upgrades of older design fighters. Of course they will have to upgrade the older F18SH someday, but not everything what Boeing presented might be important for them if they have F35. The higher thrust engine for example is reported to be not important for USN now, that's why Boeing is searching for an export customer who could fund it (India, possibly UAE).

The F/A-18 F-414 Enhanced Durability Engine (EDE) is fully funded by the US Navy, the difference between the F-414 EDE and the F-414 EPE (Enhanced Performance Engine) is an additional fan for greater airflow, resulting in a 20 percent thrust improvement.

 

[luckyyy]

Actually IAF is so tight lipped about what they are selecting, it is very difficlut to know what we are going for.

you cant even say like Brazil that your president is favoring French, not eeven one in MOD which gives a clue or even IAF. The last time I checked I find IAF has praised all planes, saying everyone is good. Every company in competition has said IAF has hailed their plane.

On top of that you have Shukla and Aroor who keep spreading rumors now and then.

What the heck, life has become very difficult

after all , all the subsystems , weapons , radar , EW suit , data link will be from DRDO...

so what actually IAF looking to buy through MMRCA ..

 

[redpearl75]

after all , all the subsystems , weapons , radar , EW suit , data link will be from DRDO...

so what actually IAF looking to buy through MMRCA ..

I guess airframes and engines..... lol....

 

[marcos98]

Super Hornet price tag spiraling ... downward?​

Super Hornet price tag spiraling ... downward? - The DEW Line
Five billion dollar paydays are rare even for a US defense contractor, so Boeing is probably feeling pretty good today.

The US Navy yesterday gave $5.3 billion to Boeing to build 124 F/A-18E/Fs and EA-18Gs over the next five years. That's not quite as good as Lockheed Martin's agreement last week on LRIP-4 for F-35, which, the company says, will pay more than $5 billion to build 32 aircraft over only one year. Of course, the Super Hornet fleet has a decade of production maturity and lacks very low observable (VLO) stealth, so the cost differential is not unexpected.

But it should be noted the pricing trend looks good for the Super Hornet after a year of uncertainty. The Department of Defense played hardball with Boeing for several months on the third multi-year contract, complaining that Boeing's initial price offered only 7% savings compared to a single-year purchase. The DOD requires at least 10% savings to approve a multi-year, which trades away the department's budgetary flexibility for marginal cost savings.

I researched Boeing's press releases to find out how much the Super Hornet's price has changed over the last decade. Even as the company introduced the Block II Super Hornet/Growler with active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, the price has steadily declined. Keep in mind these figures don't include 'actuals' -- Congressional plus-ups make true cost comparisons impossible. But the trend is clear.

* MYP 1 (June 2000) -- orders 222 aircraft for $8.9 billion, or $40.09 million per copy. Adjusted for inflation based on consumer price index: $49.45 million (2009 dollars)
* MYP 2 (December 2003) -- orders 210 aircraft for $8.6 billion, or $40.95 million per copy. Adjusted for inflation based on consumer price index: $47.65 million (2009 $), a 7.6% decrease
* MYP 3 (September 2010) -- orders 124 aircraft for $5.3 billion, or $42.72 million per copy, a 10.4% decline compared to MYP-2 and 13.6% decline compared to MYP-1

* Boeing MYP contracts exclude government furnished equipment, which includes engines