Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[[Bregs]]

Congratulations to the indians and dassault !​

View attachment 337148

Finally!!​

View attachment 337147​

@GuardianRED @ni8mare @dadeechi @randomradio @Nilgiri @SR-91 @Sri @R!CK @PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy @SrNair @anant_s @Armani @kmc_chacko @nair @Taygibay @Picdelamirand-oil @mirage @Blue Marlin @mike2000 is back @BON PLAN @ranjeet @surya kiran etc!

Lots of patience and resilience shown by France and India to sign off this complicated deal

 

[Taygibay]

I assumed the same, but Picdel pointed out it takes 3 years to manufacture the Rafale.

There is no real value to that. That time can change as Dassault and the partners adapt.
The incompressible time is the limit when you activate all people and machines needed
on a 24H clock until the fighter rolls out.
And that is well below 2+ years, trust me ... even if I'm not Pic!

If the option for 126 goes through, where does that put the prospect for Gripens?

Where it belongs.

But also points to the fact that any assembly line for 90 aircrafts will not have too much MII component in it. It will end up as screwdrive tech.

It's a sliding rule thing. Total ToT doesn't really happen.
In a best case scenario as here, Up-to-Date tech is available because
the next gen is ready to come online. That's rather rare.
Still, for a given amount of money, you will get screwdriver giri tomorrow,
full assembly later and your own line in 5 or 8 years.
For infinite money, you can buy France so the Merignac line becomes MII.
In between, there is the F-35.

So Rafale deal sees light before I my son is born I guess

Mine was born late in the last millenium and left for school with a puzzled grin.

It will demonstrate unstinting efficiency in protecting the people of India and the sovereignty of the world’s largest democracy”, declared Eric Trappier, Dassault Aviation Chairman and CEO.

I really like that guy!

Now another noob and off-topic question : Can we work with MBDA to get SPECTRA for FGFA ..?

LOL Absolutely not but mostly because MBDA makes missiles and THALES makes Spectra.
So yeah, noob question, no doubt!



That was so cute :

Details in Official Rafale thread
this just Celebration thread

No, it ain't!

I have created this new thread as Rafale is no more in tender process but going to induct in Indian Air force within 30 months after this signing of agreement .discuss related matter of Rafale in Indian Air force .thanks

Yeah but check :

ALL Rafale threads are merged and in sticky only.

The joys of time-delay chat.

Now talks for over 100 Rafales under make in India will start... to be revealed to the Indian public and media.

There, mate! Fixed that fer ya!

A little tit bit -
28 single seater and 8 twin seater in this deal

So clearly not for the nuclear strike role, hum?

Read you all later, Tay.

 

[New World]

thanks God. finally deal is signed.
congratz to indian members, your wish comes true..

now i hope PAF will also entertain us(Pakistani members) for the arrival of new jets.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Ok folks ET Now had an interview with Eric Trappier.. Here are the tweets and what i headr in interview

Now what i heard in interview

• Reporter said 15 squad needed, is this 2 order as a way of testing the water
• Trappier said
  • Its a batch of 36
  • with this we will install an industry base
  • with Installed industry, build the capability
  • with that get more opportunities
  • Translated into orders
• Reporter asked about Local Partnership
• Trappier said
  • Coming soon out in public domain
  • Prefer developing a private company partnership
  • Focussed on investments and developing for a long term
  • not only for defence but for civilian market as well
  • Capable of meeting exports market via this.
• Reporter Hinting on MII
• Trappier said
  • Yes on radar
  • majority in India as it gives capability and advantages to India
• Reporters asked for challenges for MII
• Trappier said
  • A need to have a long term view as investments are in tools and hum,an capital for developing the skillsets.
  • Stabilise the ecosystem producing such aircrafts over the long term
  • 50% defence and 50% civilian side focus approiach
  • Secondary market for Aeronautics, engg, avionics, sub systems, etc
• Reporter asked for Joint Production of Spare/weapon/etc
• Trappier said
  • Hardware, Software ad services to support Indian aircrafts will be localised
  • Indian authorities will reveal more details
• Reporter asked for offset details
• Trappier said
  • Indian authorities to answer that as cant disclose due to signing NDA with India
• Reporter on Lifetime support
• Trappier said Yes
• Reporter asked for customizations
• Trappier said IAF or MOD to comment on this
• Reporter asked for Line of credit
• Trappier said Gov to Gov talks . cant comment
• Reporter asked about Mirage phasing
• Trappier said at an appropriate time yes but as of now HAl is doinga good job upgrading them.
• Reporter asked for Nuclear capability
• Trappier said
  • French aircrafts are designed and capable
  • But its outside his domain to comment
• Reporter talked about long Indian time
• Trappier said
  • DA is very patient
  • DA is working very hard for last 60 years with India and they understand how India works for a long term commitment

And what is the amount we will be paying as the first tranche of payments , and one crucial question , will it require another long process of clearance from Finance ministry ?

15% amount


@Abingdonboy @anant_s @Taygibay @Picdelamirand-oil @Vergennes @randomradio @Ankit Kumar 002 @MilSpec @Koovie @Echo_419 @Dash @hellfire @ito @SR-91 @AMCA @DesiGuy1403 @ranjeet @hellfire @fsayed @SpArK @AUSTERLITZ @nair @proud_indian @Roybot @jbgt90 @Sergi @Water Car Engineer @dadeechi @kurup @Rain Man @kaykay @Joe Shearer @Tshering22 @Dandpatta @danger007 @Didact @Soumitra @SrNair @TejasMk3@jbgt90 @ranjeet @4GTejasBVR @The_Showstopper @guest11 @egodoc222 @Nilgiri @SarthakGanguly @Omega007 @GURU DUTT @HariPrasad @JanjaWeed @litefire @AMCA @Perpendicular @Spectre@litefire @AMCA @Perpendicular@Ryuzaki @CorporateAffairs @GR!FF!N @migflug @Levina@SvenSvensonov @-xXx- @Perpendicular @proud_indian @Mustang06 @Param @Local_Legend @Ali Zadi @hellfire @egodoc222 @CorporateAffairs @Major Shaitan Singh @jha @SmilingBuddha @#hydra# @danish_vij @[Bregs] @Skillrex @Hephaestus @SR-91 @Techy @litefire @R!CK @zebra7 @dev_moh @DesiGuy1403 @itachii @nik141993 @Marxist @Glorino @noksss @jbgt90 @Skull and Bones @Kraitcorp @Crixus @waz @WAJsal @Oscar @AugenBlick @Star Wars @GuardianRED @arp2041 @Aero @Armani @salarsikander https://defence.pk/members/enquencher.34831/ @others

 

[zambino]

So first rafales delivery in 18 months??

 

[nair]

Ok folks ET Now had an interview with Eric Trappier.. Here are the tweets and what i headr in interview


View attachment 337156
View attachment 337152
View attachment 337153
View attachment 337155


Now what i heard in interview

• Reporter said 15 squad needed, is this 2 order as a way of testing the water
• Trappier said
  • Its a batch of 36
  • with this we will install an industry base
  • with Installed industry, build the capability
  • with that get more opportunities
  • Translated into orders
• Reporter asked about Local Partnership
• Trappier said
  • Coming soon out in public domain
  • Prefer developing a private company partnership
  • Focussed on investments and developing for a long term
  • not only for defence but for civilian market as well
  • Capable of meeting exports market via this.
• Reporter Hinting on MII
• Trappier said
  • Yes on radar
  • majority in India as it gives capability and advantages to India
• Reporters asked for challenges for MII
• Trappier said
  • A need to have a long term view as investments are in tools and hum,an capital for developing the skillsets.
  • Stabilise the ecosystem producing such aircrafts over the long term
  • 50% defence and 50% civilian side focus approiach
  • Secondary market for Aeronautics, engg, avionics, sub systems, etc
• Reporter asked for Joint Production of Spare/weapon/etc
• Trappier said
  • Hardware, Software ad services to support Indian aircrafts will be localised
  • Indian authorities will reveal more details
• Reporter asked for offset details
• Trappier said
  • Indian authorities to answer that as cant disclose due to signing NDA with India
• Reporter on Lifetime support
• Trappier said Yes
• Reporter asked for customizations
• Trappier said IAF or MOD to comment on this
• Reporter asked for Line of credit
• Trappier said Gov to Gov talks . cant comment
• Reporter asked about Mirage phasing
• Trappier said at an appropriate time yes but as of now HAl is doinga good job upgrading them.
• Reporter asked for Nuclear capability
• Trappier said
  • French aircrafts are designed and capable
  • But its outside his domain to comment
• Reporter talked about long Indian time
• Trappier said
  • DA is very patient
  • DA is working very hard for last 60 years with India and they understand how India works for a long term commitment

15% amount


@Abingdonboy @anant_s @Taygibay @Picdelamirand-oil @Vergennes @randomradio @Ankit Kumar 002 @MilSpec @Koovie @Echo_419 @Dash @hellfire @ito @SR-91 @AMCA @DesiGuy1403 @ranjeet @hellfire @fsayed @SpArK @AUSTERLITZ @nair @proud_indian @Roybot @jbgt90 @Sergi @Water Car Engineer @dadeechi @kurup @Rain Man @kaykay @Joe Shearer @Tshering22 @Dandpatta @danger007 @Didact @Soumitra @SrNair @TejasMk3@jbgt90 @ranjeet @4GTejasBVR @The_Showstopper @guest11 @egodoc222 @Nilgiri @SarthakGanguly @Omega007 @GURU DUTT @HariPrasad @JanjaWeed @litefire @AMCA @Perpendicular @Spectre@litefire @AMCA @Perpendicular@Ryuzaki @CorporateAffairs @GR!FF!N @migflug @Levina@SvenSvensonov @-xXx- @Perpendicular @proud_indian @Mustang06 @Param @Local_Legend @Ali Zadi @hellfire @egodoc222 @CorporateAffairs @Major Shaitan Singh @jha @SmilingBuddha @#hydra# @danish_vij @[Bregs] @Skillrex @Hephaestus @SR-91 @Techy @litefire @R!CK @zebra7 @dev_moh @DesiGuy1403 @itachii @nik141993 @Marxist @Glorino @noksss @jbgt90 @Skull and Bones @Kraitcorp @Crixus @waz @WAJsal @Oscar @AugenBlick @Star Wars @GuardianRED @arp2041 @Aero @Armani @salarsikander https://defence.pk/members/enquencher.34831/ @others

2019 first delivery.......

So first rafales delivered in 18 months??

Nope 36

 

[zambino]

2019 first delivery.......



Nope 36

sry for the screen shot sir. But here it says 18 months.

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

@PARIKRAMA Just like the Egyptian versions are named EM/DM

What is expected for IAF?

IN or H or normal B/C

 

[egodoc222]

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/IAF...-for-36-fighter-jets/articleshow/54478489.cms

 

[egodoc222]

France on Friday signed the Euro 7.87-billion deal for Rafale fighter jets, equipped with latest missiles and weapon system besides multiple India- specific modifications that will give the IAF cutting edge capability over arch rival Pakistan.

Manohar Parrikar and his visiting French counterpart Jean Yves Le Drian sixteen months after Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced India's plans to buy 36 Rafale fighter aircraft in fly away condition during his trip to France.

The deal comes with a saving of nearly 750 million Euros , gained through hard negotiations by the Indian side, over the one struck during the previous UPA government, which was scrapped by the Narendra Modi government, besides a 50 per cent offset clause.

These combat aircraft, delivery of which will start in 36 months and will be completed in 66 months from the date the contract is inked, comes equipped with state-of-the-art missiles like 'Meteor' and 'Scalp' that will give IAF a capability that had been sorely missing in its arsenal.

The features that make the Rafale a strategic weapon in the hands of IAF include its Beyond Visual Range (BVR) Meteor air-to-air missile with a range in excess of 150 km.

Its integration on the Rafale jets will mean IAF can hit targets inside both Pakistan and across the northern and eastern borders while staying within India's territorial boundary.

Pakistan at present has only a BVR with 80 km range. During the Kargil war, India had used a BVR of 50 km range while Pakistan had none.

However, Pakistan later acquired 80-km-range BVR, but now with 'Meteor', the balance of power in the air space has again tilted in India's favour.

'Scalp', a long-range air-to-ground cruise missile with a range in excess of 300 km, also gives IAF an edge over its adversaries.

Sources said the "vanilla price" of just the 36 aircraft is about 3.42 billion Euros. The armaments cost about 710 million Euros while Indian specific changes, including integration of Israeli helmet-mounted displays, will cost 1,700 million Euros.

Associate supplies for the 36 fighter jets will cost about 1800 million Euros while performance based logistics will cost about 353 million Euros.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Meteor is the game changer here.It reversed PAF's one remaining advantage that f-16 AMRAAMs had ,but those will now be outclassed by meteor which is just a new gen missile with massive range.Nor can PAF equalize this advantage anytime soon because there is no comparable missile available on the market ,and nothing the chinese have to offer can match it.Only latest AIM-120D would be a an equal,and thats off limits.

 

[$@rJen]

France on Friday signed the Euro 7.87-billion deal for Rafale fighter jets, equipped with latest missiles and weapon system besides multiple India- specific modifications that will give the IAF cutting edge capability over arch rival Pakistan.

Manohar Parrikar and his visiting French counterpart Jean Yves Le Drian sixteen months after Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced India's plans to buy 36 Rafale fighter aircraft in fly away condition during his trip to France.

The deal comes with a saving of nearly 750 million Euros , gained through hard negotiations by the Indian side, over the one struck during the previous UPA government, which was scrapped by the Narendra Modi government, besides a 50 per cent offset clause.

These combat aircraft, delivery of which will start in 36 months and will be completed in 66 months from the date the contract is inked, comes equipped with state-of-the-art missiles like 'Meteor' and 'Scalp' that will give IAF a capability that had been sorely missing in its arsenal.

The features that make the Rafale a strategic weapon in the hands of IAF include its Beyond Visual Range (BVR) Meteor air-to-air missile with a range in excess of 150 km.

Its integration on the Rafale jets will mean IAF can hit targets inside both Pakistan and across the northern and eastern borders while staying within India's territorial boundary.

Pakistan at present has only a BVR with 80 km range. During the Kargil war, India had used a BVR of 50 km range while Pakistan had none.

However, Pakistan later acquired 80-km-range BVR, but now with 'Meteor', the balance of power in the air space has again tilted in India's favour.

'Scalp', a long-range air-to-ground cruise missile with a range in excess of 300 km, also gives IAF an edge over its adversaries.

Sources said the "vanilla price" of just the 36 aircraft is about 3.42 billion Euros. The armaments cost about 710 million Euros while Indian specific changes, including integration of Israeli helmet-mounted displays, will cost 1,700 million Euros.

Associate supplies for the 36 fighter jets will cost about 1800 million Euros while performance based logistics will cost about 353 million Euros.

View attachment 337171

Are you serious

 

[sathya]

Ok folks ET Now had an interview with Eric Trappier.. Here are the tweets and what i headr in interview


View attachment 337156
View attachment 337152
View attachment 337153
View attachment 337155


Now what i heard in interview

• Reporter said 15 squad needed, is this 2 order as a way of testing the water
• Trappier said
  • Its a batch of 36
  • with this we will install an industry base
  • with Installed industry, build the capability
  • with that get more opportunities
  • Translated into orders
• Reporter asked about Local Partnership
• Trappier said
  • Coming soon out in public domain
  • Prefer developing a private company partnership
  • Focussed on investments and developing for a long term
  • not only for defence but for civilian market as well
  • Capable of meeting exports market via this.
• Reporter Hinting on MII
• Trappier said
  • Yes on radar
  • majority in India as it gives capability and advantages to India
• Reporters asked for challenges for MII
• Trappier said
  • A need to have a long term view as investments are in tools and hum,an capital for developing the skillsets.
  • Stabilise the ecosystem producing such aircrafts over the long term
  • 50% defence and 50% civilian side focus approiach
  • Secondary market for Aeronautics, engg, avionics, sub systems, etc
• Reporter asked for Joint Production of Spare/weapon/etc
• Trappier said
  • Hardware, Software ad services to support Indian aircrafts will be localised
  • Indian authorities will reveal more details
• Reporter asked for offset details
• Trappier said
  • Indian authorities to answer that as cant disclose due to signing NDA with India
• Reporter on Lifetime support
• Trappier said Yes
• Reporter asked for customizations
• Trappier said IAF or MOD to comment on this
• Reporter asked for Line of credit
• Trappier said Gov to Gov talks . cant comment
• Reporter asked about Mirage phasing
• Trappier said at an appropriate time yes but as of now HAl is doinga good job upgrading them.
• Reporter asked for Nuclear capability
• Trappier said
  • French aircrafts are designed and capable
  • But its outside his domain to comment
• Reporter talked about long Indian time
• Trappier said
  • DA is very patient
  • DA is working very hard for last 60 years with India and they understand how India works for a long term commitment

15% amount


@Abingdonboy @anant_s @Taygibay @Picdelamirand-oil @Vergennes @randomradio @Ankit Kumar 002 @MilSpec @Koovie @Echo_419 @Dash @hellfire @ito @SR-91 @AMCA @DesiGuy1403 @ranjeet @hellfire @fsayed @SpArK @AUSTERLITZ @nair @proud_indian @Roybot @jbgt90 @Sergi @Water Car Engineer @dadeechi @kurup @Rain Man @kaykay @Joe Shearer @Tshering22 @Dandpatta @danger007 @Didact @Soumitra @SrNair @TejasMk3@jbgt90 @ranjeet @4GTejasBVR @The_Showstopper @guest11 @egodoc222 @Nilgiri @SarthakGanguly @Omega007 @GURU DUTT @HariPrasad @JanjaWeed @litefire @AMCA @Perpendicular @Spectre@litefire @AMCA @Perpendicular@Ryuzaki @CorporateAffairs @GR!FF!N @migflug @Levina@SvenSvensonov @-xXx- @Perpendicular @proud_indian @Mustang06 @Param @Local_Legend @Ali Zadi @hellfire @egodoc222 @CorporateAffairs @Major Shaitan Singh @jha @SmilingBuddha @#hydra# @danish_vij @[Bregs] @Skillrex @Hephaestus @SR-91 @Techy @litefire @R!CK @zebra7 @dev_moh @DesiGuy1403 @itachii @nik141993 @Marxist @Glorino @noksss @jbgt90 @Skull and Bones @Kraitcorp @Crixus @waz @WAJsal @Oscar @AugenBlick @Star Wars @GuardianRED @arp2041 @Aero @Armani @salarsikander https://defence.pk/members/enquencher.34831/ @others

Starts from 36 months and ends at 66 months ?
3-5 years ?

For the sake of money ?

----------------------------------

It's was a long sweat and thirst,

Finally 36 numbers isn't close to quench any thirst .

 

[#hydra#]

Meteor is the game changer here.It reversed PAF's one remaining advantage that f-16 AMRAAMs had ,but those will now be outclassed by meteor which is just a new gen missile with massive range.Nor can PAF equalize this advantage anytime soon because there is no comparable missile available on the market ,and nothing the chinese have to offer can match it.Only latest AIM-120D would be a an equal,and thats off limits.

Not reversed it will in future if paf sleeps for the next 66 months,is the time frame for complete induction of rafales.

 

[BON PLAN]

So first rafales delivery in 18 months??

NO. Or maybe some french ones... to begin the pilots training.